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precious
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 Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 11:12:15 AM
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So sorry not made any progress yet with tim  y cant the police do more like u said go and speak to nasty person that sold him.
Do you know any details ie, what area was he in when sold or if he was advetised etc. Has the freezemarking company had owners details updated.
Can you pm me name of the person.
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Gemma Thompson
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precious
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England
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precious
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 11:22:57 AM
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Sorry to post again, whats Tims (crystal Khazim) breeding his dam and sire.
Some people that try and sell horses put the breeding lines rather than the horses name, ill search if you can let me know x |
Gemma Thompson
Birmingham West Midlands
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SallyEllis
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 4:33:01 PM
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| My heart goes out to you, I loaned out my grey 17.1hh Arab x Hanoverian whilst I was pregnant with my daughter, and the loaner did a bunk with him, I have asked about but had no joy I know the girl still lives in Bradford on Avon but has left her place of work and moved livery yards countless times so sorry to hijack your post but if anybody has news of Charlie Jacks Independent Spirit who was loaned to Nikki Stansby please contact me I just want to know if he is alright as I loved him like a child he will be 18 in May. Thanks and wishing Tim the Arab finds his way back to his rightful owner. |
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Kazzy
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 4:53:47 PM
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I think this is a message to everyone who unforunately has to put their horses on loan.
Check, double check, triple check and check again that the home is what they are saying.
There are a lot of people out there who look after others peoples horses like their own but unfortunately for every 100 or so people that do there is always one that will do this.
There's some evil people in this world!!
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timthearab
Junior Member
England
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Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 6:25:36 PM
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| If i could see into the future i would'nt have loaned him out, regardless of the fact that i was being sick 10/12 times aday and felt like i constantly had a hangover!!! i would of taken his shoes off and rested him for a year. I goes to show that even if your horse is freeze marked and you have a contract and you think that you trust the person to look after your baby, the loaner will always come off worst if given to the wrong person. Anybody out there thinking about putting your horse out on loan DONT DO IT. I believe that there are genuine people out they which like a 100% bomb proof horse are very few and far between. |
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Tizzi10
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Posted - 20 Mar 2009 : 9:01:13 PM
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Yet another heartless none horse loving person making it impossible for loaners to find horses they would love and care for. These people make me sick.
I truly hope TIM is found soon, safe and well! Theses stories make me so sad for the poor owners and most of all these beautiful creatures. I hope Tim is grazing happily in a field just waiting for mum to find him and not scared or hurt.
Stay strong!
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carol B
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England
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timthearab
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England
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Posted - 27 Mar 2009 : 6:06:15 PM
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| Hi Rose, i totaly ageed, a register for people not to loan horses too. Even though Tim is freezemarked and has a passport and a loan agreement,its a shame that this has happened. There is nothing out there to protect us as owners. They can have the horse re-passported which surley isnt worth the paper its written on, i think that some one needs to have a re-think at the passport situation. I wont rest until my baby is home safe and sound, Why do some people have to be so un-trust worthy. All the heart ache and anxiety it has caused. I dont know how they can sleep at night!!! |
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carol B
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 27 Mar 2009 : 6:14:17 PM
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| I have a taken a photo of your arab, off of your poster on the internet, on to my phone, so it's with me all the time. I really hope he turns up, he's just GOT to be out there somewhere!! |
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barbara.gregory
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 10:41:18 AM
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Sadly the people who steal loan horses often go under different names so they are difficult to trace. The person who was interested in loaning my colt had two or three different names. I said she had to come and see him and then if I was happy I would go and see where he was going and if that was OK we could sort out the loan. She didn't come to see him so that was it! She had sent me photos of the yard he would be on but it could have been anywhere.
I have had some very nice people loan my mares and it has worked really well; I didn't have to sell them and the loaner has got a very nice mare to have a foal from.
It can work but must be a nightmare when it doesn't. I really feel for those of you who have lost their horses, I do hope you manage to get them back.
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zaminda1
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 12:56:43 PM
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| Hi Sally Have PM'd you regarding your horse! |
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SallyEllis
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 7:13:43 PM
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| I have just found out that the girl who had my horse on loan has sold him and he has been sold on again does anybody know where I stand legally? |
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Sushi
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 7:26:43 PM
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| I had a TB out on loan the loanee then sold him in the signed agreement whch was also witnessed it said that the horse was on permenant loan and not to be sold but returned to me. I was lucky because the 'new' owner e-mailed the trainer to find out his history.I rang the police who came and took a statement and because there was no dispute of ownership he was still my property and we picked him up. |
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Pauline
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England
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SallyEllis
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 8:08:03 PM
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| Thanks for that Sushi, the thing is the girl who had him on loan has told them that she bought him from me which wasnt true. I only have his freezemark documents etc he was on loan to her when passports came in so she applied for one with my permission does this make any difference? |
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SallyEllis
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 8:13:54 PM
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| I will be seeking legal advice on Monday. I am devastated to say the least, he was sold on to the livery yard owner in a really bad state who then sold him to this other girl. I have been trying to track him down for years I cannot believe I have finally found my boy yet under such sad circumstances I have been in tears all day. |
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Sushi
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 28 Mar 2009 : 8:37:35 PM
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If there is no dispute of ownership it is theft. Because I had e-mails saying the horse was for loan and not to be sold also this was in the agreement in the eyes of the law he was still my property.
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marionpack
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 11:17:39 AM
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| If you have proof that the horse was sold while on loan and without your permission, surely the person who has bought it is handling stolen property, why doesn't it work like cars, if your car is stolen then the person who has bought it has to give it back and loses out, why is it not the same with a horse |
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SallyEllis
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 4:32:17 PM
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| It turns out that the lady who bought my horse off of the girl I loaned him to knew that this girl had sold other horses that were on loan to her so what I dont get is why she bought him and didnt raise the alarm...? I am still devastated and reeling from shock. I dont know what to do next. |
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Pauline
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SallyEllis
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 6:58:16 PM
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| Yes my partner said the same last night. There is no way I would buy a horse off of somebody that I knew had sold horses that she had only on loan before! I have reported it to the police and the freezemarking company so just sat waiting for some action. Thanks for everybodies advice. |
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Bex
Gold Member
Wales
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Posted - 29 Mar 2009 : 8:53:45 PM
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Hi Sally
I have just read this, I am so so sorry to hear this news, you have just sorted one problem out and now you have this to contend with
Thinking of you and sending you lots of hugs.
Love Becci.xxx |
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SallyEllis
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 1:47:09 PM
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| I am absolutely stunned how badly protected we are by law, Unfortunately Timthearab doesnt know where her boy is (any news about Tim?) I do however but he has been sold on..and apparantely the girl who had him on loan was known for selling horses that she had on loan! Now if it was my car that had been sold on I could go and claim it, but because my horse was out on loan the police cant/wont help its a civil matter and I have to go to court to get him back. |
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carol B
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 31 Mar 2009 : 7:28:36 PM
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| Sally. I'm in the area, if there is anything I can do to help please let me know. |
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Another arab missing while on loan!
