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buffy
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 Posted - 04 Jan 2009 : 11:04:20 PM
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Hi Egbert,
I wonder if you would be so kind as to let me know what you think of my two girls.
My mare is Naseekah (Aurelian / Bint Nefous) and her daughter is Boudicca (sire is Star of the Seasons). Both are on allbreedspedigree.
Can you tell me what percentage Crabbet they are, and what stallions you would recommend for them. If you could do your wonderfully accurate personality profile on them that would be wonderful. They are both home bred, and very special, and it would be amazing to hear your comments.
Hope the photos work, it's been a while and I've forgotten how to do it, so fingers crossed!!! Thank you in anticipation!!
Sandra.
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buffy
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Posted - 04 Jan 2009 : 11:08:54 PM
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Yippee!!! It worked!! Our mare is now 15 and although it is not a great picture of her it gives you an idea of her. She is about 15.1 hh.
Her daughter is 4 this year and I should write a book about her!! But that's for another day!! |
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Egbert
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 10:43:03 AM
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Oh my what wonderful pedigrees! Very exciting to see...
First Naseekah is a Kuhailan Ajuz of the Ibn Rodan strain, aka Rodania, with sire line to Mahruss-guaranteeing extreme intelligence and with the dam line travelling through the awesome Shamnar by Naziri and bred to *Rissalix produced Star Shadow who had to be something spectacular! Pale Shadow will forever be remembered as the dam of Bright Shadow and was herself renowned for being not only beautiful but very sweet. This is a top brood mare as well as her daughter....By the way, Aurelian was/is stunning. I remember seeing him show at the Nationals and he was ALWAYS riveting.
Oh boy...Boudicca...incredibly beautiful, correct, intelligent and pure love....She is not only pure in the strain Rodania but pure in the strain Pale Shadow. Did you ever see Azeme Bint Gleam? She had to be one of the most beautiful mares in the world. Certainly her sire, Silver Flame was absolutely heartstopping he was so beautiful. And you have her three times through Star of the Seasons-who has to be a stunner.
I would imagine she could be shown in halter nearly anywhere in the world and do very very well, be a dazzling riding horse and then perform exceptionally in the breeding barn. There just isn't anything on this earth quite like her. You have been both astute and extremely blessed. Well done!
I don't do percentages but would guess she was better than 75% Crabbet. That said, I'd breed her to WH Justice or LVA Maximus. Her grays will be beyond belief. The result would be the greatest horse in the last two-three decades. Please keep us posted. Think on my next trip to the UK I'll definitely be travelling to Scotland!
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buffy
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Scotland
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Posted - 09 Jan 2009 : 8:51:28 PM
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Holey, moley.....
Goodness me, thank you so much for your lovely comments Egbert about my girls. I appreciate you taking the time to look into their pedigrees for me and I'm so glad that I eventually took the plunge and asked you about them.
I have been blessed indeed with these horses, but more so with the friends I have who have helped me.
Patricia Ramsay who was so kind to let us buy her beautiful mare, Bint Nefous who was in foal to my favourite stallion, Aurelian, at the time. He took my breath away evey time I saw him.
Patricia has the superb stallion, Kosmos, (Aboud / Dancing Solitaire) who is producing some exquisite youngsters for her. As you said, it would have been a tragedy if a stallion of his calibre had not left any stock behind.
Another person who has been a great help to me is Gillian Lancaster who has the fabulous stallion, Star of the Seasons. She knows so much about Arabians and is always happy to share that knowledge.
Last, but not least, my hubbie Neil, who indulges my passion... (for arabians!!!!)
So, yes, I am indeed very lucky.
Here's another photo of Boudicca taken last summer.
Thanks again!! 
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cillasmum
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England
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 09:39:53 AM
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| Hi Egbert I'm new on here and new the arab breed (this is my first). I have a nearly 5 years old mare who I want to use as a riding horse and perhaps do some endurance in the future. I have sent her away at the moment to be started. I would love to know a bit more about her lines as I find it all so confusing and can't get my head round it yet! Her sire is Gai Radiant and her dam is Chloe Bint Naomi. I would love to know anything about her and her relations. Thank you in advance! |
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 10 Jan 2009 : 1:59:53 PM
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| Originally posted by vanbro
Suhla el kheil is dam to my mare. AYESHA BINT MAURAB now in her 16th year. She was a rescue horse, supposedly 'a nutcase' .However I have to say that this is not the case. She has been ridden by my friends daughter for the passed 3 years. She is 14 now. We dealt with the issues and I would be happy to put a complete novice on her. She has a very balanced appearance. Has taken very much after Aurab.Very upright at the front ,long neck , almost same markings, a strong back , good legs and a very straight mover with a high hock action.. I have signed her over to my friend and her daughter as a gift. She will stay in my stables and fields.
We tried to get her in foal this year but she really was terrified of the stallion.
I did think about breeding from her but with the glut of Arabs on the market , how can you guarantee a good home.
She has had a tough enough time so she will be hacked out quietly and allowed to just 'be'.
Vanbro! Humble apologies! I somehow missed your post here! She is a Kuhailan mare by strain going back to the '39 import from the desert Mahawiliyah, and owned by J Spence and then JC Sword. So she is solidly built, with presumably excellent bone, and should be an excellent athlete. With this degree of closeness to the desert, she must be in a situation where she feels she has family. This is not a mare that can be treated like an ordinary livery. Moreover with the sire going back to Mahruss, extreme intelligence governs this line and so she is thinking a lot of the time and when put in situations where she either doesn't trust nor likes someone, she wouldn't be a happy camper...which may explain why she was considered a bit of a nut. Such horses need love, understanding, and a bit of spoiling. The more she gets the better she will perform. There is a lot of beauty within the pedigree and mischief...thanks to the extraordinary character, Hanif.
If you want to breed her, think she will have to live next to the stallion for awhile, get to know him, fall in love and then you just might be able to breed her. Good luck and thank you so very much for sharing! Well done, too. Clearly she has found a wonderful home! |
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Egbert
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Alaska
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England
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Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 3:03:07 PM
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Hi Egbert!
I have also just joined and would love it if you were able to shed some light on my two girls history!! They are both Russian. They are GAS Montyka and WLA Alaska
Thanks in advance!!
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cillasmum
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England
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Posted - 11 Jan 2009 : 6:25:47 PM
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Hi Egbert thank you very much for your lovely comments about Celine. She is indeed very people friendly. I have always wanted an arab so she is my childhood dream. The photo I have posted was taken last summer before I got her and she seems to have gone a lot lighter already with her winter coat. I haven't really got any more pictures of her yet but will get some more when she comes back from training. I plan to just ride out on her at first and introduce her to the world and all its scary events. I live near Bodmin Moor which is great for endurance riding which I would like to have a go at eventually. She has a very 'sensible' attitude to life and is overall a very easy to do girlie. I hope we will form a strong bond. |
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 09:42:49 AM
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Cilla's Mum...For a first time Arabian...ha! ha! You'll be hooked! Don't think you could have gotten better bloodlines in a starter. She is royally bred and you will find her very versatile. Can't imagine any would make you happier except her foal by a top notch stallion-any of the Carmargues will make your heart sing tho' would be inclined to have you look at Aazari first, should you decide to breed her as they share the same dam line. There is something magical about the Hamdani Simri's and doubled to be pure in the strain could be something of a bonus.
Hi Alaska! While looking up your horses, found a cornucopia site loaded with pictures of Russian Arabians!!!
http://www.geocities.com/greenfieldsarabians/archivelist.html
WLA Alaska's sire isn't all Russian but predominately line bred Shaker El Masri/Estopa! Triple at that and double *El Shaklan...So WLA Falcorr must be very beautiful, imposing with a lot of style! Sire line is Nazeer via Shaker El Masri.
The dam's side of Alaska's pedigree is Russian and picks up the Nazeer via Aswan through Almaz's dam, Molva. Now this is interesting...The Kale's purchased him through the good offices of Robbie den Hertog, amd reportedly paid $450,000.00 for Almaz who sired only 33 foals and died in the US. He must have been spectacular!...Polenzia's dam line, e.g., Alaska's goes back to the French owned mare Emese who was reportedly a Seglawi Jedran. Whatever with that pedigree would imagine she is beautiful, lively, fun and a people lover!
GAS Montyka is Russian throughout whose sire line is to Skowronek so there is a lot of beauty especially combined with Amurath Sahib on both sides of the pedigree...I would suspect there is an almost flamboyant quality with a lot of substance...This would be a very powerful mare to ride with tremendous motion, a lovely character but sometimes a tad aloof. She is a Kuhailan Ajuz tracing back to a line I am somewhat unfamiliar with, the French 1879 mare, Balkis, not to be confused with the British bred, Balkis out of Biruta by Darzee.
Overall, looks like you have two tremendous mares! Wow! Would love to see pictures!
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Egbert
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Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 09:56:02 AM
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Originally posted by buffyHoley, moley..... Goodness me, thank you so much for your lovely comments Egbert about my girls. I appreciate you taking the time to look into their pedigrees for me and I'm so glad that I eventually took the plunge and asked you about them. I have been blessed indeed with these horses, but more so with the friends I have who have helped me. Patricia Ramsay who was so kind to let us buy her beautiful mare, Bint Nefous who was in foal to my favourite stallion, Aurelian, at the time. He took my breath away evey time I saw him. Patricia has the superb stallion, Kosmos, (Aboud / Dancing Solitaire) who is producing some exquisite youngsters for her. As you said, it would have been a tragedy if a stallion of his calibre had not left any stock behind. Another person who has been a great help to me is Gillian Lancaster who has the fabulous stallion, Star of the Seasons. She knows so much about Arabians and is always happy to share that knowledge. Last, but not least, my hubbie Neil, who indulges my passion... (for arabians!!!!) So, yes, I am indeed very lucky. Here's another photo of Boudicca taken last summer. Thanks again!!
Buffy,
Please keep us posted and would love to see more pictures as you take them...You are so blessed! |
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Alaska
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England
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Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 09:58:00 AM
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Thanks very much for taking the time to look into my girls for me 
Ali is so people orientated!! There are pictures of her on the thread named 'Hello!!'
Many Thanks again
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kastell
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France
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Posted - 12 Jan 2009 : 9:10:03 PM
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Hi Egbert, I love the look of your boy Rushan, he's gorgeous! Thankyou for your reply to my question about possible partners for my mares back on page 79. If everything goes to plan Dominita will be going to Spirit of Silver this year. Unfortunately he doesn't have many straight Crabbet progeny, which is such a shame, hopefully some more people will use him before it's too late (he's 23 this year!). I may not be able to use the stallion I had lined up for my Desire, what do you think of using www.allbreedpedigree.com/raji3 on her?
Also on behalf of a friend, could you tell me a bit about her 2 mares (she isn't online!), www.allbreedpedigree.com/perdita31 & www.allbreedpedigree.com/silver+lutifah. My friend would like to breed from perdita, could you suggest a stallion for her?
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Egbert
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Posted - 13 Jan 2009 : 12:36:10 PM
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Hi Claire,
Think Raji for Spirits Desire would be sensational! Well done! I want to see the foal! It should result in the most perfectly splendid baby. Can't wait to see!
By the way, I also like the cross of Spirit of Silver with Dominita...Looks to be quite a lovely cross and with three lines up comparatively close to Bright Shadow the baby should have a divine temperament.
Perdita is sire line Nazeer via the wonderful stallion Shakhs-a very beautiful stallion and dam line Dajania...So she should be very pretty, sweet as she too is blessed with fairly close Bright Shadow blood, and loaded with style.
Silver Lutifah must be very cute...Nearly straight Crabbet her sire traces to Mahruss II via the incomparable Silver Blue-one of the most beautiful of the Silver Sheen sons, truly stunning and the line carries super intelligence. He was so beautiful and his babies were spectacular. Lutifah is thus double Silver Sheen for beauty and correctness, triple Bright Shadow for super temperament, Hanif is there so there should be a bit of a ham for a superb show horse, Silvern Sceptre in a pedigree seems to be a near guarantee as a super breeding animal and great motion. Overall think your friend will have something super fun with this girl...Presumably she will show her?
Both girls are Kuhailan Dajanias so if they are bred from will nearly consistently produce outstanding stallions, robust, big movers. These mares shouldn't disappoint. Very strong horses so would be inclined to look for Hamdani Simri and Seglawi stallions to breed to them.
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Montikka
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 09:58:10 AM
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Hello Egbert,
Thank you for shedding some light on GAS Montyka's pedigree. (Alaska is my daughter).
You are spot on, she is a very strong little mare, leg in each corner, huge shoulders and a very powerful ride. She does, however have rather large ears
Regarding her being aloof - you are so right; I have owned her since she was a weanling and she does not suffer fools! Her respect and trust has been hard earned, but she is now an absolutely wonderful character, who looks to me for re-assurance and is always eager to please - that is until someone she's not keen on comes along and then she's quite indifferent. She is a very enthusiastic mare, ears always forwards (tried *****ed  ), with a 'what next' attutude. I LOVE her.
However, if there are any handsome chaps around she is the biggest flirt ever
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kastell
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France
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Posted - 14 Jan 2009 : 9:39:10 PM
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Thanks for your reply Egbert, can you clarify Raji's tail female line for me & what type of horse he should be, going by his breeding? Does his breeding lend itself to good ridden horses as well as show horses? I'm not familiar with show horse breeding (I love Crabbet lines!) but there's a real lack of Crabbet stallions where I live! Raji is very beautiful IMO & not over the top! & he has a great temperament, which is very important to me.
Thank you for telling me about my friends horses, your comments have made her day! She hasn't as yet shown Lutifah (loading problems - maybe too clever for her own good?!!), but is hoping to this season & yes she can move!!!! I think she's going to make a great ridden mare! They are both very sweet mares, although Perdita can be hot (someone told her her dad was a race horse!!).
I love reading your replies to everybody, thank you for finding the time for us all! Claire. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 16 Jan 2009 : 12:04:43 PM
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Hi Louise,
Pleased to be able to help! Thank you, too for the feedback. It helps.
Hi Claire!,
Raji is a total show horse with truly sensational bloodlines...doubled throughout. You can do anything with that blood...Show it in halter, ride it in dressage, cross country, trail-whatever makes your heart sing. Raji's sire line is to Skowronek via *Carmargue, '85 World Champion, '86 Champion at a major show in the South of France the name of which I've forgotten , Spanish National Champion; Ali Khalil, Raji's sire was absolutely stunningly gorgeous, more beautiful than even my beloved Carmagnole! When I saw him I tried to arrange to buy him but he'd already sold. I was shattered. He was a full brother to the fabulous British National Champion Ali Khamsin. Raji's dam, Om El Aluna was arguably one of Carmargue's most beautiful daughters, an exquisite gray out of Omel Amira Estopa, a Bint Estopa daughter...Any of these babies, if ever shown, would win - big! Unimaginably beautiful. All tracing back to the fabulous *Estopa dam of ennumerable champions the most famous of which was *El Shaklan.
No one currently knows for sure who *Estopa traces to in tail female but according to the Marquesa de Laula, the original mare was one of the original Crabbet imports-the only mares remaining at the Duke du Veragua's farms were the Crabbets or their immediate offspring. In my opinion, seeing how Estopa bred on, having seen how extraordinary her sons were...there is little doubt in my mind she was of the Kuhailan dajania strain. Robust, strong, full of verve and the sons were all extraordinary-a Kuhailan Dajania hallmark!
The fabulous part of Raji is that he can be bred to anything. Personally I'd like to see him bred to Seglawi line mares as I think they will have an inimitable style but the truth of the matter is Raji is a major breeding stallion in his own right and the results should be fabulous-great beauty, absolutely superb athletes with stunning movement and splendid personalities. He really is a 'can't miss'. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 06:33:57 AM
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Hi Folks,
Thought maybe we should bump this back up for those having breeding questions and to revisit the subject of strains and tail female lines.... |
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mogwai
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Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 07:00:25 AM
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Brilliant, thanks Gari. I'm reading through it bit by bit. Some bits are more familiar than others.
Thanks for the bump
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Egbert
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Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 10:50:10 PM
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kirst
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Posted - 07 Mar 2009 : 1:44:00 PM
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Hi Egbert,
Well I do have a question!
I have seen a nice little mare with interesting bloodlines and am really quite interested in her.
Her tail female line goes directly back to Silver Fire, in fact her dam's sire also has this tail female line too. On her sire's side the lines are mostly Nazeer through Ansata Ibn Halima ,Ibn Moniet el Nefous and Saab. What could be just as interesting is that this little mare's sire has a tail female line directly to Nuhra (two lines in fact).
There is also Rissla through Irex and also Indian Gold.
I love her bloodlines but what traits do they imply? I think I MAY be correct in saying that Silver Fire was one of Lady Wentworths favourite mares and that this line is known for it's beauty???
What stallions/bloodlines would you recommend for her and WHY ,if I wanted to breed a foal from her to show in the future?
Many thanks - I will look forward to your feedback!!
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kastell
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Posted - 07 Mar 2009 : 7:54:26 PM
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Hi Egbert, sorry I forgot to say thank you for the info about Raji & his lines, really interesting, it is a shame he hasn't had much use over here in France. I thought I'd post a pic of Raji so that everyone can see who we've been talking about!
photo by C Reeves. |
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mogwai
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England
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Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 08:05:19 AM
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Hi Gari, i was wondering if you could advise me about Camargue Too? I hope to go and see him in April, as i'm generally interested in Carmargue lines. I have no idea how he would match my filly (nishtar/bright cavalier). Could you give me some insight? As i will only be breeding once from her i'd imagine, i'd really like to make the right choice and breed her to a stallion that was right for her.
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Egbert
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Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 10:46:16 AM
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Hi Kirst,
She must be a lovely little girl...Her dam was thus pure in the strain Hamdani Simri-indeed one of Lady W's favorites if not favorite of all time-so would expect your girl to be ultra smooth, very sweet, quick with the capacity to travel very fast and she would enjoy your company immensely. With Ibn Halima on the sire's side-she has to be beautiful! Not terribly big. But well put together.
Obviously I am partial to anything with Carmargue...Raji above would be outstanding and think you would get something very beautiful but the blessing of the Hamdani Simris is that they can be bred to anything that makes your heart sing and have a terrific result! Another that might be a lot of fun because he is so knock 'em dead gorgeous is Arastin...Keep an eye out for the likes of Tobago,
Carmargue Too, Charismma, Ali Khamsin, Dervatiw Gwyddion, WH Justice...There is one horse, that may be going to Egypt soon and if you could get to him the baby would be out of this world and that is MCA Magnum Gold who I think is at Schoukens Training Center...(he is unusually beautiful, courageous and am afraid unavailable after this year which is why I am emphasizing him.)
Claire,
Thank you for posting his picture...It boggles the mind he isn't seeing more service...Raji is a phenomenon. Any chance of posting some of his baby's pictures?
Ros,
Is your girl's dam, Nishtar by Jubilee Star out of Bint Nishida? If so then she is pure in the strain Kuhailan Dajania and would be an excellent nick with Carmargue Too.
Carmargue Too is a Menaghy Sebali from a line renowned for not only tremendous beauty, athletic ability but exceptionally kind temperaments...
From what I can see, it would be a tremendous foal from that cross and pure love! |
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mogwai
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Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 11:31:26 AM
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Thank you, yes Nishtar is her dam.
Raji is lovely!
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