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LIV
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 Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 08:04:21 AM
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Egbert
Thanks for that additional info. With that in mind it would definately not be a good idea to entertain gelding him until I have given him a chance to mature. He is very beautiful now with the most devine eyes and certainly a very big moving boy but who knows!!
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Egbert
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 10:17:59 AM
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Hi Fiona!
Thank you for the kind words! And can't tell you how happy I am you have Polka! That is super!
She is and is not her mother's girl...In disposition and character she will still have that honest, reliable character that is inherent to the Milordka dam line but with the addition of a trace of mischief...She will spook at a log because it will be fun but hold her ground when it is something like a fire snorting dragon! She should be rounder than her dam with a shorter head, balanced and not quite as fine but more robust, ready to take on the world. Polka is going to be a lot of fun! With her sire line to El Shaklan, by the way, she should also be quite a people lover...fascinated with them. She will do very well in halter, I'd think as she is loaded with top notch halter horses through her sire. Not only *El Shaklan and her sire and grandsire, but Kaiyoum was also a Res. US National Champion as Canadian and his sire Khemosabi was a US National Champion in both halter and performance. Raffon was a US National Champion and Bayanka was the dam of multiple champions to Nationals level and is doubled in the pedigree. She is a Kuhailan Moradi-of listening mare fame and prepared to signal the approach of danger. Polka also carries multiples of Amurath Sahib through both Bayanka and Arax. Amurath Sahib seems to impart great quality very consistently. What a great mare! Can't wait to see pictures.
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Egbert
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emma
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 11:07:04 AM
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Ditto what was said about your bit on Lady W, really interesting. Have tried to read up on her and her beliefs in the past but not found the information very easy to digest. Could you direct me to some good places to do some reading?
Also when is your book coming out??! I find it tricky here sitting at work trying to digest all the info here on this thread but having a book to refer to would make it so much easier!
Any more news on Antham semen crossing into Europe? |
Emma
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Athena
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 2:18:04 PM
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Heavens Gari, well just to clarify, I wasn't accusing dear Lady W of any of the saga you've replied with! Well I seem to have offended and for that I apologise, but I really was refering to nothing so serious. Apologies anyway. I obviously was not clear. As you know I breed 100% Crabbet, am also acquainted with people who knew Lady W and am a firm believer in the supreme importance of the Blunts and Lady W's breeding to the development of today's Arabian horse. In fact, I am positively annoyingly pro-Crabbet!
I just thought you might be interested in some extra info on Deboniks colt's family. It happens to be a little favourite of mine as I own his older half sister - not much like him actually but very different sires.
These bad fingers have clearly done a very bad job at getting my tone across (printed words never do seem to manage that very well) so I'm going to take them away to do something useful and leave your thread in peace for a while. Happy A Lining. |
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LIV
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 8:43:58 PM
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I'm sure you're right but I should think lack of facilities to keep a colt force most people into making the decision earlier than they might like. What a good job Alun Prothero kept Carmargue entire though!
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Egbert
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Posted - 22 Oct 2008 : 10:18:55 PM
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Originally posted by emmaDitto what was said about your bit on Lady W, really interesting. Have tried to read up on her and her beliefs in the past but not found the information very easy to digest. Could you direct me to some good places to do some reading? Also when is your book coming out??! I find it tricky here sitting at work trying to digest all the info here on this thread but having a book to refer to would make it so much easier! Any more news on Antham semen crossing into Europe?
Hi Emma,
My biggest problem is that I take care of my horses, home and husband...and 3 h's leave little time to write about my favorite subject (this site is excepted as I do want to be available to folks such as yourself)especially when am being hit to write stories for a magazine or two. It is my prayer that I'll have something written by the summer, self publish the first go-round so there isn't any waiting.
Besides her own books like THE AUTHENTIC ARABIAN HORSE, THE CRABBET ARABIAN by Archer, Covey and Pearson you might want to get a copy of THE KELLOGG ARABIAN RANCH-The First Fifty Years by Mary Jane Parkinson.
Abe Books have a number of Lady W's books in stock but am horrified by the asking prices for some: http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Lady+Wentworth&kn=Arabian+Horses&sts=t&x=40&y=4
Especially the Crabbet Arabian Stud 1924 for what is essentially a pamphlet, is ridiculous! Always check with the Arab Horse Society first. If they don't have some of the books on hand they might know who would have some in stock in the UK.
Sadly, as I cannot share them, I've had an opportunity to see some of the private letter collections and that is something that the owners need to decide. My prayer is that the kids don't throw them out accidentally or otherwise if something happens to the parents!
Oh as for Antham...Looking into the costs for shipped frozen semen and the vet cost from your side, would need at least 10 people to put up 1000 pounds a piece to accomplish the project. Antham would have to go into quarantine for a month then collected to see if viable (those it is great fresh cooled)-it is surprisingly expensive.
Thank you for asking, though!
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Egbert
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 07:33:21 AM
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Heavens Gari, well just to clarify, I wasn't accusing dear Lady W of any of the saga you've replied with! Well I seem to have offended and for that I apologise, but I really was refering to nothing so serious. Apologies anyway. I obviously was not clear. As you know I breed 100% Crabbet, am also acquainted with people who knew Lady W and am a firm believer in the supreme importance of the Blunts and Lady W's breeding to the development of today's Arabian horse. In fact, I am positively annoyingly pro-Crabbet!
I just thought you might be interested in some extra info on Deboniks colt's family. It happens to be a little favourite of mine as I own his older half sister - not much like him actually but very different sires.
These bad fingers have clearly done a very bad job at getting my tone across (printed words never do seem to manage that very well) so I'm going to take them away to do something useful and leave your thread in peace for a while. Happy A Lining.
Hi Alexia,
There is no doubt in my mind you meant well but:
In your post of 17 Oct, 11:04:35 AM,
"Hi Gari, well I must say that I always thought that the Abbas Pasha connections of Skowronek fell into the category of "myth invented by Lady Wentworth" for marketing purposes! Not that a lack of Abbas Pasha connection would make Ibrahim a less quality line of course."
"myth invented by Lady Wentworth" is praise? Pro-Crabbet?
Then in the next post you wrote, "Hi Gari, wasn't trying to upset you and certainly wasn't attempting to "denigrate Lady W" - I believe she was a master horse breeder of the first order whatever issues any of us might occasionally have with her ethics...."
"whatever issues any of us might occasionally have with her ethics."
Which leads to the question-If one cannot trust the breeder's integrity, why should one trust in the quality of the breeder's horses?
Again, for all the stories about her, always found in the end, that Lady Wentworth's integrity was above reproach...
That said, you are always lively fun, Alexia! |
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Egbert
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LYNDILOU
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Egbert
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 08:18:56 AM
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Lynda,
Now then it is always hard to decide which horse to geld....:) |
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emma
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Posted - 23 Oct 2008 : 10:30:45 AM
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Hi Gari
I will thoroughly look forward to your book as and when it becomes available. Thanks for the link and the suggestions too. I think i have the first 2 but perhaps it is time i return to them and try take in some more information. Will try and get a copy of the Kellogg one as thats an area im very vague on!
All this breeding cross continent is rather expensive isnt it. But as my girls are only young im quite happy to wait for another 9 people to show interest Im sure there are some out there, as lets face it he is a pretty special chap.
With regards to Livs comment regarding gelding, i found myself in a similar situation when Al Galero was a baby. We were on a livery yard run by arab breeders who had a colt of the same age. Everyone including them kept on at me about gelding him, they even said we should ring the vets and share the call out for when theirs was being done. My view was that my boy was no problem what so ever and the facilities were there, but if this changed it would definately be a strong consideration. Fortuneately this didnt change and im now blessed with the sweetest stallion. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 12:09:09 AM
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Hi Emma,
The Kellogg book is important because he imported so many from Crabbet and so much happened as a result-not just the huge influence of the Crabbet horses throughout American Arabdom, but the people who came into play as well. Plus it gives tremendous insight into Lady W, what motivated her, and how she transacted business.
In re breeding 'cross-continent'....Right now with the international economies in some upheaval, really think it is better to lie low and wait for things to improve. Antham is bascially bred to be a breeding stallion...to improve heads, shorten backs, improve legs and tail carriage and pass his soft as butter disposition to his offspring-in essence to create breeding stock/companion horses that can be bred to anything and have a phenomenal result. We used to kid that his dam could be bred to a saw horse and have a spectacular result...So hopefully in tht not too far distant future we will have something to look forward to.
Clearly you have been blessed with the right livery situation and the right youngster in Al Galero. When a youngster meets your requirements-gelding would be a tragedy. You have been really lucky! |
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LIV
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 12:24:39 PM
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What a good job you stuck to your guns about keeping Al Galero entire. He's a super chap! |
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emma
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 3:57:55 PM
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Thanks Liv!
Effectively from foal to 3 yrs Galero was kept with other geldings and colts when turned out in the various livery situations ive been in while at home and at uni. When stabled he has always been on a mixed livery yard. Now i am very lucky to keep the horses at home as other half is a farmer. And now he is a big boy with a huge field that he shares with the bulls, Eric and Micheal oh yes and at times the odd free range piglet! Even though the bulls are massive Galero is the boss! And soon i hope to get him a horsey miniature companion. When stabled again he is with my girls with grills between the stables where they nuzzle each other.
As a result of his upbringing i have a stallion who will ride out and travel alone or in company and respects other horses.
For anyone interested in the history of crabbet etc Wikipedia does a nice explanation. Search for The Crabbet Arabian Stud and you will get a good insight plus other links to related pages such as the Kellogg Ranch.
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Egbert
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 11:54:34 PM
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What absolutely perfect conditions you have kept Al Galero in Emma! Well done!
The only addition I'd add to the use of Wikipedia...sometimes there are errors. If in doubt re Crabbet, Kellogg, or ? -ask! |
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katefox1812
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Posted - 01 Nov 2008 : 5:24:37 PM
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Gari I just wanted to say that photo of Rushan is fabulous - what a magnificent creature he is!
And your new filly is absolutely divine too!
Oh and thank-you for recommending my boy for Aatiqah - another very lovely girl! |
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Nov 2008 : 11:07:39 PM
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Thank you, Kate! He is a good boy and having fun in training at Los Acres! Learning how to fight Portugese bulls! Seriously he is in training with Joao Coehlo-Serra, a Portuguese bullfighter, Terry Polks new husband and who is incredibly well versed in dressage. The first week *Rushan was so sore in the shoulders....but really seeming to enjoy his time under saddle.
The filly is amazing am still in a bit of awe that a pure paper breeding could come out so well. Am pinching myself.
Your welcome re Tobago...Think he has so much to offer and with a mare like Aatiqah suggests an extraordinary blend. |
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Zan
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Egbert
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Posted - 02 Nov 2008 : 8:59:04 PM
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Hi Zan,
Bad joking around on my part. Rushan has not been ridden since 2000 because of my health issues and for the last year has been allowed to self-condition (i.e., turned out on his own). The result of course is that he has muscles that haven't been used in some time. It is like when I go out and ski after 10 years...falling and using muscles that I've not used in years, at my age leaves me virtually crippled for a week without having done much of anything!
No he won't be fighting bulls...just learning the principles of dressage. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 10:36:45 AM
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Many of you have asked about good reference material. Well in the last week I've purchased THE WORLDS BEST HORSE and THE CRABBET ARABIAN STUD both by Lady Wentworth off of Abe Books-www.abebooks.com, both comparatively rare. They had 36 books for sale by Lady Wentworth (many the same book) and 27 books available by Rosemary Archer...They have several copies of Davenports Arabians, 1973 by Homer Davenport and published by Caballus and that has one of the best strain discussions anywhere.
So if you hear of a book you want, check for used copies on Abe Books first, then Amazon. |
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Kash
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Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 10:39:58 AM
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Sorry Egbert slightly off topic, but I don't suppose you know where I might be able to get my hands on the videos 'The Immortal treasure' and 'Creating the Immortal Treasure'?
Many thanks,
Lauren |
      
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Egbert
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Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 11:04:04 AM
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| Have you tried Amazon.com? They are amazing. I actually was able to find CARRY ON NURSE through Amazon! |
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Kash
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Posted - 05 Nov 2008 : 3:50:27 PM
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| Thanks, yes I had tried Amazon.com and unfortunately they don't have either video. |
Photographs by Emma Maxwell and Peter Grant |
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Tail Female Line....?
Her present owner says this of her. That is one of the two main things I want in my horse(s), i.e. a sweet temperament and loves (or has the potential) to love people. 
Will keep you posted...
