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Roseanne
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 Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 12:05:03 AM
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Dear Egbert, How very sad for you to lose your beloved mare like that. It's awful to hear about these losses among Arabian Liners and to imagine the pain it causes; and then we hear about the exciting, wonderful additions to the breed - and you have this extraordinary encyclopaedic store of information about them all.
I guess it's the circle of life... Hope you're feeling a bit better now. |
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Treasure
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 08:07:22 AM
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Egbert, I have just caught up with this thread again and wanted to say how sorry I was to hear about the loss of your mare. having lost our beloved Morgan mare last year (aged only 9) I know what you are feeling, so deep sympathy to you.
I thought you might be interested to know that our little filly, Malawi, whose pedigree you interpreted a few weeks ago for me, is turning into a little stunner   . She is the Aazari x Monsoon (double Carmargue double El Shaklan) girlie. She has been out on my summer field (no mud!!) with a new little companion (a tiny woolly 2 year old Shetland filly!) for a month or so and her real personality has emerged - friendly, inquisitive and getting almost 'soppy' as you predicted! She still has her feisty side especially at feed time but outside you can't get rid of her! She is so pretty, has looooong legs and moves spectacularly!  . She's going grey now so is a delicate shade of pink at the moment. 
Condolences agin for the loss of your mare. |
Carolyn
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Djaminskah
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Sweden
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 10:19:06 AM
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Sorry Egbert about your mare! I have tried to follow this tread and i am impressed about all knowledge.
I am from Sweden and i try to understand but my English is not so good.
I want to know more about my mares pedigree http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dijanah
the female line i think is french but i am not sure.
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sayeeda
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England
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 10:46:22 PM
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FAO of Egbert, Fist i would like to say sorry to read about the loss of your mare.I have been advised (from a very nice lady) to get in touch with you regarding my mare. Bia has already gave me information about her and i would really like advice on stallions to use. Her name is Samraa Sayyida Bia has got her % to about 77.13%.
Sireline: SUEYD Or.Ar.
Damline: NUHRA Or.Ar.
Strain: Kuhaylah al Wadnah (Khursaniyah)
Now ive got to be honest it means nothing to me but i do know i love my mare. If you could give any advice it would be much appreciated.
Looking not her best (she has just had her foal off her and not been worked for 12 months
Kind Regards Claire
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Pauline
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Egbert
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 May 2007 : 1:01:48 PM
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Nick,
Re Snow Dove...That is a mare you never sell and just breed fabulous babies....You can breed her pretty much anyway you want and you are going to have a wonderful result. Snow Dove is a Seglawi Jedran with Skowronek sire line. The magic cross with a no holes pedigree. Guard her, cherish and be sure you treat her as the queen she is and keep all of her little princesses and you will have one of the most successful studs anywhere! Couldn't find Lady D'Sprit or Satin Ladies?...am I spelling them incorrectly??? |
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Barabia
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Sweden
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Posted - 03 May 2007 : 4:56:08 PM
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Hi Egbert, and Welcome back on board!
I've run in to a problem which I know you can sort out. You said that we shall check tail females in the 5'th generation (32) to find the mare (strain) who is mostly influenced to a horse in question.
I'm working with a certain horse now, and found three strains x4. How do I know which one of them is the strongest? There's Wadduda (Seglawi or Muniqi), Sahara (Koheilan Moradi) and Basilisk (Seglawi Jedran).
I was then thinking..hmm? Maybe the dams side could tell me, so I checked the 5'th there, but no no.. still that three strains x2 this time! Can Basilisk be the strongest anyway, because the horse in question is pure-in-strain to her, or am I 'up in the blue'??
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 May 2007 : 9:33:49 PM
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| I would suspect that both *Wadduda and Basilisk will override the Moradi. What are the colors? If the horse in question is Gray, would think the Basilisk would override and if chestnut or bay-*Wadduda. Both are Seglawi but the *Waddudas are incredibly intelligent... |
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Roseanne
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Tahir
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Posted - 03 May 2007 : 11:13:04 PM
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I will second that "welcome back Roseanne", I have been missing Egbert's educational posts.
Carla, xx. |
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Barabia
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Posted - 03 May 2007 : 11:23:47 PM
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Wow, you are a big bright star Egbert! I learn a little bit every time you open your mouth. Thank you ever so much!
So *Wadduda is the winner (hehe) because the horse in question is bay, and most important.. very intelligent! (I quote the owner: "This mare has a incredible work attitude but tends to have a "one human" type affection.")
That is a very intelligent horse IMO!
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Deboniks
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Posted - 04 May 2007 : 09:01:27 AM
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| Hi Egbert, I just wondered if you recieved an e-mail from me?~ Debbie |
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Egbert
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Posted - 04 May 2007 : 11:24:51 AM
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Roseanne and Treasure,
Thank you. I am blessed with a son and several daughters so it makes it a bit easier. She was a phenomenal mare that lives on in her descendants.
Treasure, your Malawi will never stop amazing you...You are just now learning a fraction of how special she is going to be!
Djaminskah, Welcome aboard! You are doing very well indeed!. Your mare's pedigree suggests that she is a strict athlete and could possibly even race. Sire line is to Mahruss, an Ali Pasha Sherif stallion of high quality...size, and intelligence. Dam line is to Emese, indeed a French mare whom I believe was thought to be a Seglawi al Abd.
Claire/Sayeeda,
Thank you. Tell me, what kind of baby do you want? That should govern your selection of stallion. You have a mare that can be bred pretty much any way you want as her strain seems to nick exceptionally well with any good stallion of excellent dam line. She is going to reflect the stallion in large measure and has the capacity of pulling the best of what he has to offer.
Hi Pauline,
Thank you, too!...
Your friends horse is predominately Crabbet going back to Mahruss but via CountDorsaz who was renowned for exceptional motion...a fabulous riding horse and the blood is doubled on the sire's side of the mare's pedigree and appears once more on the dam's side so clearly this girl can move...even if she is up there in age. She should be a kindly mare as she is loaded with Fejr and has at least one line to the incredible Bright Shadow up comparatively close.
If she is a grey mare she should be almost exotically beautiful; if a chestnut - very attractive. She has multiples of Naziri in her pedigree and that usually emerges very strongly in the grays. As she is a Kuhailan Rodania via Rose of Sharon, if a chestnut, there is a good chance she is a flaxen. Would love to see her bred to a Seglawi line stallion...Whatever she has should be very attractive! Any chance of posting a picture???
Roseanne, Tahir, Barabia! You all make me smile! Thank you!
Debbi, there is no email in my yahoo box?!
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angel2002
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Posted - 04 May 2007 : 12:27:35 PM
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Hi Egbert
You were 100% right, Safi Amira produced a lovely grey filly to Mostafa last Tuesday evening....The photo's are not great but are on the New Arrivals forum.
Thank you again.....:::)))
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Egbert
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Posted - 05 May 2007 : 09:36:51 AM
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Angel,
Very beautiful and how wonderful! A FILLY! Yipppeeee! You wait! You think she is beautiful now...just you wait. She will knock people's socks off! Well done Safi Amira and you! |
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Sasha Melia
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England
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Posted - 05 May 2007 : 12:27:27 PM
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Hi Egbert
Am so sorry to hear about your loss, it sounds like she has left a wonderful legacy behind though through her daughters and their offspring, so she will never ever be forgotten.
I wondered if you could look at two of my horses for me, they are both young but I would love to know more about the tail female lines especially for the filly, Mahalia as it's not a line I know much about (tracing to Ghazieh via Johara), Mukhtar has the Nuhra line. I wonder what sort of bloodlines you think would suit them both, once it comes to breeding? And could they possibly suit each other as it would be quite mixture?! If you need to see photos of them please see my website (link below in my sig). Many thanks!
Mukhtar Ibn Eternity - Eternity Ibn Navarrone-D x Monsoon by Djammal x Mahleika by Maleik El Kheil
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/mukhtar+ibn+eternity
HS Mahalia - Simeon Sadik x EAMT Marihuana by BJ Thee Mustafa x EAMT El Melissa by El Perfecto
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 05 May 2007 : 3:11:42 PM
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Hi Egburt, I know you are very busy but when you find time could you let me know what you think the outcome from this mating would b?, and what I might expect? I think you know the breedings so no need to put them in
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Egbert
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Posted - 06 May 2007 : 07:42:52 AM
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Hello, Sasha,
First off the two horses look to me like they were made for each other! To compliment one another. It would be difficult to find horses that would be more complimentary.
Your colt, Mukhtar Ibn Eternity can be bred to anything you want but if I had big strapping, long necked, Russians or Polish line mare, he would probably be amongst my very first choices.
Same with HS Mahalia, being a Seglawi Jedran of the highest calibre (Johara, a chestnut, I believe was a full sister to Bint Helwa and presumably bred on very similarly, certainly the courage, strength, intelligence of this line is evident in your girl), whose Spanish lines are amongst the most beautiful in the world, never mind her sire...What couldn't you breed her to? Both are Nazeer sire line...and the one thing I've always looked out for where there are more than 2-3 lines to Nazeer, are the legs. The problem being that horses bred in this country don't receive the same nutritional values that the British bred horses have and the result is that legs are no where as good as they are in the UK. Am not as familiar with heavily inbred Nazeer in the UK as we have over here. That said, these two youngsters of yours have virtually 'no holes' in their pedigrees! You will have a lot of fun with them.
Hey Lynda! Awesome cross...the tried and true Seglawi on Kuhailan...Think that the result would be the most exquisite of creatures, don't you? Of incredible quality and surprising strength, a baby would take a bit of time to mature, but with double Bright Shadow would be exceptionally sweet as beautiful with a tremendous 'look at me' attitude. Definitely a show, breeding animal with which to have a good deal of fun and a lot of mischief, methinks!
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Treasure
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Posted - 06 May 2007 : 10:20:17 AM
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Hi Egbert, Sasha's Mukhtar is half brother to my Malawi , both out of the lovely Monsoon.
Who is the chestnut in Lyndilou's photos - not Rushan all grown up is it? Haven't seen him (Rushan) since a yearling but thought he just might have the same 'look'. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 06 May 2007 : 11:47:29 AM
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| No, just a young stallion in the States... |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 06 May 2007 : 1:38:03 PM
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Hi Treasure, no its not the lovely Rushan, but here IS a picture of Rushan I found all grown up as seen in the arabian world magazine.
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Treasure
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Posted - 06 May 2007 : 4:03:29 PM
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Sorry Egbert!
Rushan -  ! Thanks Lynda for posting the photo.
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Carolyn
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Egbert
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Posted - 07 May 2007 : 05:03:58 AM
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Hey Carolyn,
Nothing to be sorry for...Lynda, thank you. Good looking gentleman, isn't he! |
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Sasha Melia
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Posted - 07 May 2007 : 10:47:13 AM
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Hello, Sasha,
First off the two horses look to me like they were made for each other! To compliment one another. It would be difficult to find horses that would be more complimentary.
Your colt, Mukhtar Ibn Eternity can be bred to anything you want but if I had big strapping, long necked, Russians or Polish line mare, he would probably be amongst my very first choices.
Same with HS Mahalia, being a Seglawi Jedran of the highest calibre (Johara, a chestnut, I believe was a full sister to Bint Helwa and presumably bred on very similarly, certainly the courage, strength, intelligence of this line is evident in your girl), whose Spanish lines are amongst the most beautiful in the world, never mind her sire...What couldn't you breed her to? Both are Nazeer sire line...and the one thing I've always looked out for where there are more than 2-3 lines to Nazeer, are the legs. The problem being that horses bred in this country don't receive the same nutritional values that the British bred horses have and the result is that legs are no where as good as they are in the UK. Am not as familiar with heavily inbred Nazeer in the UK as we have over here. That said, these two youngsters of yours have virtually 'no holes' in their pedigrees! You will have a lot of fun with them.
Hi Egbert
That's great thanks! I wasn't too sure if they would work together as they are such different types, and with very different bloodlines too, but as Mukhtar (Mooky) matures I have been thinking maybe he would be a nice cross for her. When I bought Mahalia, it wasn't with the idea in mind as her being a perfect future 'wife' for Mooky (especially as she was just a little fluffy baby!), I just bought her because I fell totally in love with her on the spot and had to have her! I had seen her full sister Maya, who is a year older at the World Championships and thought she was lovely, so I am very lucky that Mahalia has turned into a clone of Maya!
re trying Mooky with Russian/Polish lines I had already been keen to try him with a mare with Padrons Psyche blood, as this cross with Eternity Ibn Navarrone-D is already working well in Europe, so I will definitely try that at some point, just need the mare now!
With Mahalia what would be the number one choice of bloodlines you would think of for her? I quite fancy something of Espano Estopa /spanish blood? I really like LM Perlamor too, who is straight spanish. Can you tell I like the golden Cross?!!  I would also really love to try to get a black out of her too, but it's finding a black stallion that will suit her, and one that will hopefully produce a black with her, although I am quite interested in Windsprees Mirage as he has worked very well with BJ Thee Mustafa lines. What do you think?
ps both their legs are pretty good
Mukhtar Ibn Eternity (aged 2 in this pic)
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