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Mrs DJ
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 Posted - 15 Jul 2013 : 2:28:38 PM
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Pop - I think I know someone who may be able to help.
Have I your permission to post your pics on another forum??
(that's if I can work out how to do it!!  ) |
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viola
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Posted - 15 Jul 2013 : 5:29:08 PM
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Well, if the aptly named Viola can't identify it......... sorry I did try!Off to hang my head in shame... 
Thankyou for the welcome Pop, promise I won,t lurk any more! |
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Pop
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Posted - 15 Jul 2013 : 8:19:22 PM
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Good idea about the allotment people
Oh yes please Mrs DJ; and I think their growing habits are a great clue, the line between the two paddocks is amazing, one side grass and clover, the other side that stuff, I would take a picture of that but that's where I started pulling them so its not so obvious now. And I started to get back twinges on Saturday; and bitten so badly by bugs, so the most efficient way to deal with them would be good. And, the ones further on continue to look green and healthy, but they are surrounded by grass, as soon as that gets eaten, they seem to wither.
Would it be easier if I email the pics to you or something?
That's good Viola, no more lurking Do you have horses, tell, tell, tell :) |
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viola
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Posted - 15 Jul 2013 : 9:05:18 PM
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| Hello Pop i do indeed have horses( only two though)- a welsh cob mare who sadly is not in the best of health bless her and a chestnut arab mare I bought some years ago( she was in a very poor condition and virtually unhandled. Would you like some piccies? |
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Pop
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debs
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 05:37:16 AM
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| Pop we have it here too, started looking to find out what it was then kinda forgot |
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Callisto
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 08:51:01 AM
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| Looks like something we found in some of last years hay bales, would also like to know what it was. Ours didn't find it palatable in its dried form.... |
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gossy
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 10:45:26 AM
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| welcome viola and yes pics and the name of your chestnut mare would be lovely, POP have you been growing weed again lol!! |
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Pop
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 11:16:55 AM
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LOL Gossy.
I am beginning to worry a bit, is it just that nobody knows? or is it something a bit naughty. I have two marketing opportunities so far, potting and selling as a Triffid; and your idea Gossy. Maybe I will dry some and slip it in someones cigarette, see what happens |
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gossy
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Mrs DJ
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 11:49:14 AM
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Hi Pop
Me again. Asked on the other forum, and there are more questions
Quote "Hmmm, tricky one
Unfortunately none of the photos are well enough focussed to be able to see them clearly, but narrowing it down:
- it looks to be an annual plant (as opposed to a biennial or perennial), which fits in with the poster's description of how quickly it's appeared and how easy it is to pull up
- from her description it sounds as though it has small, inconspicuous flowers
- It has a branching habit and opposite leaves
- the whole plant turns purplish later in the season
My initial thought was some kind of Polygonum or Persicaria (knotgrasses, redshank etc.) but they have alternate leaves. So then I was thinking Campion family, which includes stitchworts, chickweeds etc. but apart from a few tiny species they usually have flowers that you'd notice. Ditto the Hypericum family... will see if inspiration strikes me while I'm writing a report this morning.
If the OP could get some better photos, showing the leaves in clear focus it would help, and/or if she would like to pop some in a jiffy bag and send them to me (if you pm me I'll give you my address to pass on) and I'll have a go - gotta maintain my geek reputation after all
It would be useful to know anything extra she can tell me, such as:
- what type of soil does she have and where in the country is she?
- is the field well or poorly drained?
- do the plants exude a milky latex if you break a stem?
- do the leaves have a toothed or serrated margin or are they smooth?"
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Pop
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 1:48:52 PM
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Cracking Mrs DJ, you are a star.
I will try to get some better pictures, might have to borrow a decent camera thou. Will see what I can do with my phone in the meantime. And very happy to post some
I can answer the first two questions, but will need to a bit of inspecting for the other two later.
Soil: The top 6 inches is very nice, just like top soil really, although it could be a good bit less than 6 inches in that part, might be as little as a few inches of soil, and electric fence post will not go full in before I hear/feel it hit solid flint, under the soil is about 12 to 18 inches of flint, and under that is clay, there are some patches (where the land slopes away down to the wood) which have chalky patches.
Drainage: The part where they have decided to grow is reasonably flat, but is not the highest point of the hill, and in very wet weather the water runs from the small country lane and land above onto the paddock. However, I would still call the part where the plants live well drained, its quite good in the winter and clears quickly. Although it drains well, I may be helpful to know that on the hill part of the field, I have two small natural springs, difficult to see any water, but you can hear it underground, and the water comes (I believe) draining from under the paddock with the problem. I suspect that there are some channels inside the flint where the water flows, its the sound, its water flowing over stone, I can hear it if there has been heavy rain.
I'm convinced it is connected with grazing patterns, because the land is identical in every way either side of the electric fence line, and the other side had not even one plant.
Also, I had the 'Smelly White Daisy type plant' turn up before this plant did, and it did much the same, only in that paddock and hardly any the other side of the electric fence line.
Although I would consider the paddock well drained, this weed has been around since it has been very wet weather.
What I also find curious is that I expect 'stuff' to arrive on the hill paddock, which has the bottom edge open with no hedge, but the paddock in questions is surrounded by good big hedges or woods.
The normal grazing in there (minus my troublesome visiting plants) is grass and significant white clover. On the off chance that the clover is any indication of soil type, I have an increase in the amount of clover in all paddocks this year.
Horses are not interested in it alive or dead, and nor are sheep.
I'm at the southern side of the Chilterns, on the high ground above the Hambleden Valley.
I will get some pictures of the healthier looking ones as well, in situ and amongst the grass (will push down grass from around them)
Geeky people are awesome eh?
Will gather as much info as possible. |
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Mrs DJ
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 1:55:45 PM
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Will get her address for you. PM you later. |
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Pop
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Mrs DJ
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 3:51:23 PM
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Pop - have just pm'd you.
Hopefully she can identify your problem weed - she knows her stuff!
Keep us updated |
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MinHe
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 8:34:30 PM
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This is too exciting - what is Pop's mystery weed? Stay tuned to this channel...
Keren |
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Vik1
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 8:39:32 PM
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| lol.. I am dying to know what it is. Ive never been interested in plants/gardening/flowers in my life before! What is wrong with me?! |
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Mrs DJ
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 8:43:07 PM
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A very knowlegeable lady has agreed to have a look, and see if she can identify it. Watch this space!!!!!!!
Exciting, isn't it!
(Beginning to think we don't get out much, if we're getting so excited over weeds lol) |
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sab2
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 9:06:55 PM
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Excited here too, and i know i don,t get out much  |
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Callisto
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Posted - 16 Jul 2013 : 9:29:37 PM
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| Am waiting on tenterhooks.... |
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Pop
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Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 09:16:57 AM
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Its the mystery of it eh?
Plants being posted off today to our Honorary AL Plant Geek, thanks to Mrs DJ |
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Pop
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Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 09:50:07 AM
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Few more pictures, rubbish quality again thou.
Showing the divide, that there are none one side of the fence and loads the other, when the land itself is exactly the same.
And this one (although you cannot see the actual plants) shows how the area near the trees has none.
And under the trees again:
Close up, but blurr again :(
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Pasch
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Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 4:30:08 PM
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| Maybe setting your camera to macro when you have to do close-ups would help? |
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Pop
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Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 5:35:56 PM
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Pasch - do what? I don't have a camera, just a phone, and i press the button, and that's pretty much it really lol
So, I suppose it was predictable really .... I go to the Post Office, with my envelope for the Plants Geek Lady. They take my envelope, weight it, ask me some questions about how I would like it delivered, and then, you guessed it......'Whats in the envelope' the nice lady says, whilst squeezing it..... I reply. She looks at her colleague. "Weed?" she says. "No, Weeds" I say. And downhill from there...... Oh well ... I don't care what they think. |
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ali bali
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Anyone know what this is and how to deal with it?
