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joanna_piana
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 Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 12:19:30 PM
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I read on another forum that there has been an article in the Horse & Hound saying that sharers shouldn't have to pay to ride your horse if they do any jobs and are doing us a favour in exercising the horse. I had a sharer for years until she got her own horse and she paid me £10 when she rode and when I went DIY she chose to do my jobs on that day because she enjoyed it not because I asked her to. She also looked after her full time when I went on holiday and rode everyday in exchange for looking after her. I personally think sharing is great for people who don't have the time or money to have their own horse as they can ride for as long as they like and it is like having your own horse for the day plus it helps owners out financially and gives them a day off. I also have three little girls sharing my ponies who I supervise and again compare it to a riding school and they get so much more value for money. Anyone else have sharers and what are you thoughts on them contributing towards the costs?
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Kash
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England
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 12:42:10 PM
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I'm actually currently sharing a gorgeous part bred Arab and must say I'm more than happy to contribute to costs. I see him 3 times a week and definately get a lot more out of it than just visiting a riding school.
I sold my last horse at the end of my first year of university - purely because I didn't have the time (or money) to keep her and I wasn't happy keeping her in her then loan home (she almost had to be put down because of an incident caused by her loanee) and I couldn't find anyone else who would "put up" with loaning her.
I was lucky during the holidays as my friends always let me ride their horses but during term times (which felt like they dragged on!) I went to a local riding school a couple of times but I can't say I was impressed and to be honest I really like spending time with the actual horse which was impossible.
But yay, sharing Nachey is great - so worth what I pay - even if he does pull faces at me! Thanks Sarah!
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 1:07:46 PM
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I tried to get a sharer for my stallion when I was pregnant.
Every person who came was either straight out of riding school - no offense but not equipt to ride a well schooled horse! Or they complained that for £20 a week they could have their own horse.
I thought that £20 was cheap.
7 days a week riding if they wanted it.
Nothing to pay towards farrier, routine vet etc...
In the end, he went on loan and was later sold to his loanee who is now standing him at stud as well as going through the ranks BSJA!
Share agreemants can be taken to the extreeme with the owner taking full advantage of the sharer. But on the whole I think it is fair to pay to ride someone elses horse - after all, you would pay around £20 for a lesson at a riding school. When you share, you get the full experience and are not restricted to the time spent riding or grooming etc.. |
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shah
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England
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 1:30:32 PM
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I too share, and have done for years. I have shared both with or without costs and I am always happy to contribute towards the cost of upkeep. As I have also owned a horse in the past I know how expensive and time consuming it is. With my current work and life committments I can't own my own unfortumately so a sharing arrangement is ideal for me. I have done the riding school for too many years and I like working and building a relationship with just one horse.
I would advise that having a written agreement in place is useful in case things should go pear shaped, from both the owners and sharers point of view. The agreement should outline things like costs, insurance, emergency contact details etc.
I currently pay a monthly fee, and we share farrier costs half half. I also buy little things here and there, feed supplements, creams etc. I always feel that if it's my suggestion we do something I pay for it. I pay for my own lessons, show entries and petrol costs for transport to shows.
I feel very lucky tho to have such a brilliant agreement and relationship in place with my boy's owners - can ride as often or little as I want but don't have to get too involved in feeding, worming, injections etc. And they are really happy that someone is taking an interest in him as he would otherwise just be a companion horse to the others.
The key to getting a good sharer is often through recommendations, and test them thoroughly when you meet up. Make sure you see them catch, groom, pick out feet, tack up, ride in all gaits and out hacking plus do stable duties if they are included. Ask them questions - a good sharer should be able to do most things an owner can, if not all.
I love sharing - for me it's the best of both worlds. I feel as I own a little part of him without having the worry of looking after him full time. |
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kathleen
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 1:44:37 PM
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| i Found as well that i couldn't find anyone who was prepared to share my mare when i was pregnant all i was asking for was their time and something towards shoes in turn for unlimited riding i was prepared to pay all other costs all i got was people asking me if my 5 year old mare was ok for people who have just had a few lessons. In the end i but her on full loan where she's being used to her full protencal and even when i have said that if there is any thing i can pay for if they need it they have never asked me |
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nikki
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 2:01:49 PM
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well before i bought my first horse Swift i used to share an anglo arab gelding called Henry with a lady called Gail. I didn't pay anything just looked after him and rode him on weekends, after 6 months he sadly passed away (he was 27 but acted 7) he was a lovely horse and i gained my confidence on him, after some really bad falls off a Welsh Cob i was reschooling, well trying to, i rode him 4 times, fell off twice and threw myself off him the third, a bit nuts to say the least! I then bought Swift and returned the favour and Gail has been riding Swift free of charge for the past 4 years. However due to me getting Malika back, Gail very kindly agreed to start paying towards his costs, and she can now ride him whenever, plus i still look after him, which suits us all.
In the past always used to help others with their horses, unfortunately the only horses i ever used to get to ride were horses that nobody else wanted to, and were sometimes outright dangerous! So do think sometimes people can be taken advantage of, in respect that they are so desperate to ride, that they'll ride anything do all the hard work, and then once horse is schooled and going nicely, they sell the horse, saving them money by not sending to off to be reschooled. That happened to me so many times, and very upsetting each time it happened.
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Kash
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England
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 2:03:26 PM
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When I was looking around to share, I put up a couple of ads on the internet. I had I think it was 4 different people saying they were looking for someone to share their horse at a cost of ranging from £50-90 per week - gulp!
I'm hopefully starting to do Nachey in the mornings soon which has actually got me really excited! It will definately make getting up for work seem a lot easier knowing I'm going to the stables first! Bliss! |
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arabianlover
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 3:41:26 PM
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I have always part loaned horses/ponies in the past, would never ever of dreamed doing this free of charge, always paid my fair share towards horse, generally id say for part loan then £20pw would be good amount, how someone could say for £20pw they could have their own horse!!!!!! It wouldnt even cover half what the owner would have to pay out!!!!!
I totally believe sharers should pay towards keep (unless of course owner doesnt want payment) |
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beau
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 4:06:33 PM
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THANX EVERYONE, THAT HAS BEEN REALLY INFORMATIVE - IM ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR A SHARER AT THE MOMENT + WASN'T SURE BOUT HOW MUCH TO CHARGE ETC, HOW GREAT WAS THE TIMIMG OF UR THREAD JOANNA,
WHAT SORT OF THINGS SHOULD I MAKE SURE TO PUT IN AN AGREEMENT?
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Kash
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England
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 4:16:05 PM
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I used something similar to this when I put my mare out on loan, although clearly this isn't right to use on a share agreement but it gives you the jist! I think I had a witness as well sign mine and checked it all with a friend doing law. Better safe than sorry!
This agreement is entered into this day, ___________, 20__ and shall beeffective through ___________, 20__ between (lessee's name), who shall beknown as the lessee, and (lessor's name), who shall be known as thelessor. The lessee is agreeing to care for and maintain one(description of horse), known as (horses name) foaled ______________ in exchange for exclusive use of the animal for the purpose of riding and showing. The following terms and conditions shall apply for the length of the lease. The lessor shall not be held responsible for loss, damage, injury,claim, demand, cost and expense (including legal expense) arising outof or connected with the use, stabling or actions for the leased animalwhether under control and supervision of the lessee or not. The lessorwill not be responsible for any accident or injury to any person oranimal who comes in contact with the above named animal, during theterm of this lease.The estimated value of the said animal is £_______ and shall be insured against death for the estimated amount. If for any reason said animalmust be put down, the lessor shall accept the insurance as adequatecompensation and hold no further claims against the lessee. In the above situation proper Veterinary care must be utilized and the lessormust be notified immediately.Should the animal become for sale during the term of the lease, and alegitimate offer is made on the horse by a third party, the lessee shall have the right to match the offer and assume ownership of theanimal before any other offers would be accepted. The animal included in this lease shall remain the sole property of lessorand the lessee shall have no right, title, or loan to any other party of said animal except as stated here.______________________________ is to be considered the principle homestable during the term of this lease, but permission is granted for temporary stabling at other locations for the purpose of showing,demonstrations or such activities, but prior approval must be obtainedfrom the lessor to change the principle home stable.The lessee shall use proper care and good judgement in maintaining andtraining said animal in quality show condition or as close to whenlease began. With lessee responsible for all expenses during leasetime including stabling, farrier, transportation, veterinary, and showexpenses. All fees, bills, etc. shall be considered personal bills oflessee and in no way can be considered a lien on this animal, withboarding facility, and others notified to this contract.----------------- lessor----------------- lessee |
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Kash
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 4:22:40 PM
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| Although I had to take my mare away from her loan home as she was in somewhat of a state. It makes me so mad just thinking about it. But she's now in a lovely home with a friend of a friend and is now jumping BSJA Discovery! |
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ella
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 7:06:58 PM
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| I have a sharer who pays £20/week for unlimited riding with no obligations to help with any of the care of the horse. I think she gets a great deal! A 1hr hack around here costs £20 at a riding school. I calculate the horse costs around £60/week to keep including insurance, and that's keeping him "minimalistic" fashion, so for a true 1/2 share I should ask £30, but don't want to lose the sharer. This is my 3rd sharer & all have worked out really well. |
   
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beau
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 8:26:49 PM
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Thanx Kash i will get something like that drawn up,
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Kash
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England
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 11:21:56 AM
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Sharing does seem a really sensible option for a number of reasons, I'd advise not to rush into anything and make sure you're happy with the situation/person before you commit to anything.
Good luck!x |
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