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Deboniks
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WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE WRITTEN BY
KAREN EN HAYES, DVM, MS
Do you think of your horse as a member of your family, sort of an overgrown, four-legged kid? You’re not alone. Horses bring out the nurturer in many of us. We hug on them. Bathe and brush them. Give them treats. Include them in family pictures. We create cozy, boxstall homes for them, color-coordinate their belongings, and even bundle them up when it’s cold. In short. we want to believe our horses want and need the same things we do, and that in return for our devotion, they love us, trust us, and would never hurt us.
But in truth, your equine compadre outweighs you by about 1,000 pounds-and can kill you with a single, well-placed kick. If you care for your hoses as though he’s an oversized extension of you, you lose sight of that danger, and of a fundamental fact: He’s a horse. That means he’s wired up to behave and react like a horse-not a human. When you forget this basic fact, you can find yourself on the losing side of a war between worlds. It’s the single most significant source of conflict and training frustrations.
To aid in your understanding, I’m going to explain five fundamental differences between your world and that of your horse. I’ll cover social hierarchy: vision: habitat needs: response to danger: and food related behavior. For each, I’ll tell you how your horse is genetically programmed to operate: how you operate: the opportunities for conflict: and how to manage that conflict. With this grasp of what makes your horse tick, you’ll be better able to predict ( and avoid) the equine responses that’ll put you at risk of mental or physical conflict.
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DIFFERENCE # 1 SOCIAL POSITION
Your horse’s world: He’s a herd animal; hierarchy within the herd is critical to survival. In equine society, position in the herd determines what a horse eats and when. Dominant horses get first dibs on everything, from the first drink of water to the best resting spot. A subordinate horse can’t enter a dominate horse’s personal space unless invited; to invade that space invites an aggressive rebuttal. Because it’s to a horse’s benefit to move up the hierarchical ladder, many will test their higher-herdmates in efforts to gain in position.
The same powerful instincts drive your domesticated horse.. If dominance/subordination hasn’t yet been determined, a kick, bite, or strike will settle the matter quickly. Once position has been determined , a look, pinned ears, head swing, or threat of a kick usually will quell further attempts at space invasion.
Your world: Probable the only other large, four-legged animal you’ve related to on a companion level is your dog. But Fido’s a pack animal, subordinate to his alpha, or top, dog. In his eyes, you’re that dog; when he wags his tail and nuzzles you, he’s signaling affection and subordination. When your horse nicker to you, then nuzzles you, you may get the same warm-and-fuzzy feeling you do from your dog. And that’s where you start to go wrong in relating to your equine.
Opportunity for conflict: A nuzzle from your dog is a sign of subordination; from your horse, it’s a space invasion-and it means he doesn’t consider you to be the boss hoss. Just as you may view your horse as a human in a fur suit, he view you as a fellow herd member; In his view, you’re either dominate over him, or subordinate to him. If he doesn’t regard you as the dominate member in your herd of two, he’ll treat you as a subordinate in one of many potentially dangerous ways. These include nipping, kicking, and/or striking; pushing and/or rubbing you with his head; walking into or over you as you handle or lead him; showing aggression (pinned ears, swishing tail, and/or threat to kick) toward you at feeding, grooming, or saddling time; and generally resisting your every request.
How to avoid conflict: He treats you like a horse-do the same to him. If he invades your space, immediately slap the invading body part away.( note: Your horse’s attention span is such that you have a 3-second window from the time of the “crime” in which to inflict punishment. After that, efforts at punishment will do nothing but confuse him.) Let the punishment fit the crime: If your horse has made a gentle invasion, such as a head nudge, use a firm slap on the side of the neck; if it’s an aggressive invasion, such as a body slam combine a firm smack (if you have a dressage whip, use it) with a loud, furious shout, just as a horse would kick and squeal. This isn’t cruelty; it’s body language that horses speak amongst themselves and understand.
If your horse shows ears-back aggression toward you at feed time-don’t feed him. You’d only reward his bad behavior. Instead, wait until he greets you with a ears-up expression, then feed him-rewarding his desirable behavior.
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DIFFERENCE #2 VISION
Your horse’s world; He has mostly monocular vision, meaning he has an eye on each side of his head. Each eye works independently, sending images to separate sides of his brain as they constantly search for predators lying in wait. As a result, your horse’s peripheral vision is excellent. Only when he’s directed both eyes on an object in front of him do his eyes focus together for binocular vision, sending a single image to his brain. His long-distance vision also is excellent, as he’s an animal designed to watch the horizon on the open prairie. Up-close items are blurry; he’s slow to focus on them, and must move his head to do so--this makes the object appear to move. A horse has oversized retinas that magnify object such that they appear 50 percent bigger than they are; equine retinas also make small movements look b-i-g . These vision facts, coupled with his inability to focus instantly, prevent your horse from making “logical” decisions. Instead, they provide him with a key survival tool: visual cues that scream “predator alert,” inciting him to react instantly and instinctually-without stopping to think-so he can put some distance between himself and the threat. (We’ll deal more with the how’s and why’s of his reactions in a minute.)
Your world; Your vision is binocular. You have (or had, before you turned 40) keen up-close vision with good depth perception, and the ability to focus instantly. Your peripheral vision is limited, however.
Opportunity for conflict: Your fast-focus vision--coupled with your ability to use logic--gives you an almost instant ability to identify a harmless object as “no big deal.” Your horse’s eyesight can make that same object appear life threatening. (That’s why blowing plastic bag make you think “litter,” and him reach to “lion!”) Furthermore, his superior peripheral vision allows him to spot “horse-eating monsters” before you do.
He’s wired up to spook and run at the first glimmer of a threat. From a safe distance, he can use his excellent long-distance vision to evaluate the scary thing. If you’re caught off guard, you could be injured. At the very least, you’ll probably be spooked by his behavior, and , when you recover, a bit irritated by it.
How to avoid conflict; Stay alert when working around your horse. Use quick-release snaps whenever you tie or crosstie him, so if he does see something that causes a spook/panic reflex, you can minimize risk of injury to you both. (More about this later.)
Always stay out of his flight path, to avoid being run over accidentally. When working on your horse’s legs, squat-never kneel-beside them, so you can get out of harm’s way quickly, should he spook or bolt. When riding, be attentive to your surroundings, while keeping your horse’s attention focused on you. The more he’s focused on you, the less he can eyeball scary stuff. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DIFFERENCE #3 HABITAT
Your horse’s world: He evolved to live in the wide-open spaces, and feels safest with an uninterrupted view of the horizon-the better to see any threats, using his keen, long-distance vision. Such a lifestyle enables him to flee danger, without barriers to obstruct his flight path. Designed as a nomadic grazer, you horse isn’t by nature territorial, as long as he has the room to mosey and eat. However, if his space is limited (e.g., he’s confined), he’ll protect his domain.
Your world: You’re a house dweller; four walls and a roof spell c-o-m-f-o-r-t-and security. You’re also territorial; You border your premises with fences and landscaping not only to define property boundaries, but also because physical barriers are seen as protection against external threats. (Hence the popularity of gated-guarded communities.)
Opportunity for conflict; Your natural tendency to house your horse in human-type habitats. Stalls, fences, aisleways-the very structures that help you define and protect your “territory”-work against your horse’s nature, and his visual acuity. Small, enclosed spaces limit his eyesight, force a solitary existence on an animal designed to live in a herd, and remove his key survival mechanism: flight. You don’t understand why he’s so spooky; he’s living in conditions that are the complete opposite of his genetic design. In an effort to escape threats, he may run over you, through your fences, or into that tractor you have parked in the aisleway.
Constant confinement also can lead to such vices as cribbing, stall walking, and weaving-the result of your horse’s genetic drive to walk and graze.
How to avoid conflict: Keep stable clutter to a minimum, to reduce the danger of your horse panicking and injuring himself. Design (or redesign) his living quarters with his needs in mind: If you stall your horse, provide as big a stall as possible (14-by 14-foot or larger is ideal). with an attached run, so he can move around, and has the opportunity to scan the horizon.
Provide screened or pipe barriers between stalls, so he can see his herdmates. (small, fully-enclosed stalls will cause low-level stress in your horse-and encourage development of vices.) Make turnout a part of his daily routine. If you can do so, turn him out with a horse friend, so he can socialize, Provide plenty of grass hay through the day, so he can “graze.” When possible, turn him out full-time on pasture-preferably with other horses with which he can socialize. Install horse-safe fencing, such as the high-tech fences designed to flex upon impact. Electrify all fences. Doing so will reduce your horse’s urge to challenge the barrier, thus reducing his risk for injury. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DIFFERENCE #4 RESPONSE TO DANGER
Your horse’s world; He’s genetically programmed to operate on the basis that survival means successful retreat from predators that want to eat him. In prey-animal behavior lingo, that’s your horse’s flight response. When possible, he’ll spook or spin away from a perceived threat, gallop to what he perceives to be a safe distance, then turn and use his long-distance vision to evaluate the situation. The spook-and-run behavior you dread is a primal equine response to danger. You may learn to ride through it, to regain control immediately after it , and how to desensitize your horse to common stimuli, but you’ll never erase it.
Your world; Rather than immediately running from a threat, you’ll turn toward it, use your keen vision and logic to evaluate it, then decide whether you should flee or stand your ground.
Opportunity for conflict; You turn toward a sudden noise or movement; your horse spooks away from it. You can see clearly, evaluate, and logically react to sights and noises in your environment. Your horse can’t. The result; When riding, you could end up getting thrown by a sudden spook (and never know what spooked your horse!): on the ground, you could find yourself in a nasty horse-human collision.
Plus, it your horse is tied or otherwise confined (say, in a box stall or trailer) when his flight response is triggered, he’ll behave in one of two ways;; He’ll resort to a fight response, lashing out with a front or rear hoof against the object of his fear; or he’ll struggle blindly against his restraint/confinement, in an effort to escape the threat. Warning: When this powerful :”fight or flight” instinct takes over, your horse is oblivious to anything or anyone around him including self-inflicted pain. If you get in his way, he’ll hurt you, too. This is why a panicked horse will tear off his hoof in an attempt to escape entanglement in a wire fence, flip over backward in crossties, or attempt to lunge to freedom through that tiny window in the front of your two horse trailer, and, well, you get the picture.
How to avoid conflict; Discipline yourself to stay out of your horse’s flight path (directly in front of him). out of striking range ( about 5 feet in front of either front leg), and out of his kick zone (about 8 feet behind and to the side of your horse’s hindquarters; you either need to be right next to his hindquarters, or father away than 8 feet)
Avoid falling into the “I trust my horse” trap. There’s a saying that goes, “It’s the good horses that’ll hurt you.” That’s because we let our guard down around those horses we trust, and guess what--we forget they’re horses. All it takes is one such lapse for Flicka to inflict some serious damage.
When approaching any horse from the rear, be sure to announce your presence before you enter the kick zone. A dozing horse can be startled awake by a sudden movement or noise-and remember, his up-close vision is poor. His response may be to kick (defend himself) first, and check out the ‘threat’ later. Get in the practice of keeping your horse’s attention focused on you whenever you ride or lead him. By doing so, you’ll not only increase your control, but also will be forced to keep your attention focused on him, thus reducing your response time, should a spook occur. A bonus; When his mind’s on you, rather than on his environment, you’ll also minimize his opportunities to search for-and react to-perceived threats in the area. Never enter a confined area, such as a trailer or box stall, in an attempt to calm a frenzied horse. Only when he’s calm, and you can approach without endangering yourself, should you do so. Use quick-release (or panic) snaps whenever you tie your horse. Your ability in instantly release him from the “trap” (if you can do so safely) will help dissipate his panic, thus minimizing risk of injury to either one of you.
Desensitize your horse to stimuli common to your daily environment, and to those to which you’ll be traveling (such as horse shows). You’ll help your horse learn to control his fears, thus minimizing risk of injury to him, you, and bystanders.
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DIFFERENCE #5 FOOD BEHAVIOR
Your horse’s would: He’s motivated by food, but that motivation is secondary to safety and social concerns. Food triggers aggressive interactions-and establishes social hierarchy-among herd members. If a subordinate horse were to approach a dominant horse’s feed, the result would be a threat or act of aggression from the dominant one. This is a hierarchy-related dispute-food isn’t part of the conflict, merely the trigger for it.
Your world: Food not only is necessary for survival, but also has strong social and psychological connotations. “Comfort food’ makes us feel good; we also use food as a bribe, a reward, and in our celebrations.
Opportunity for conflict: First, when you dispense treats to horses in groups, you’ll trigger aggressive, dominance-related behavior, which could result in injury to you, or to the horse(s). (Note: This aggressive behavior often is misinterpreted as jealousy because you’re giving treats to one horse, but not all. but jealousy isn’t the issue-that’s human emotion. The enticement of food induces subordinate horses to challenge, and encourages dominant ones to exert real rather than threatened aggression to assure their reward.)
Second, your urge to make your horse feel good through food can be an inadvertent reward for inappropriate behavior, resulting in reinforcement of such dangerous bad habits as biting, (Examples: Your horse nudges you for a treat; you give him one, rewarding the behavior-and encouraging him to butt you again. Your horse refuses to step into your trailer; you give him a handful of grain in an attempt to lure him in-when all you’re really doing is rewarding his balky behavior.... Your horse acts up when the farrier works on him, so you provide handfuls of grain , to keep the horse quiet; he continues to act up-because you give him treats when he does.)
How to avoid conflict: Avoid handing out treats in a group situation. If you wish to single out a particular horse for your attention, halter and lead him outside the group enclosure, where you’ll be able to feed him safely. Avoid hand-feeding your horse, and never allow him to search your pockets for food. Instead, provide treats in his regular feeder, or offer them in a bucket. This will help prevent nudging and nipping behaviors. Think before you feed, to avoid inadvertently rewarding bad behavior. If your horse is balking, pinning his ears, refusing to stand still, etc., food will reward that behavior. Wait until he’s displaying a desirable behavior, such as a step forward, an ears-up expression, or a still moment, before dispensing those carrots.
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jaybird
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 08:48:23 AM
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Hi
Well done for posting this, I've always tried to tell people to have a healthy respect for something that can inflict major injury, no matter how loving you think they are, just about to post this to the doubting Thomas's of the horse world.
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arabic
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 11:04:43 AM
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So much of that is pure common sense, but unfortunately, this seems to be the least common of all the senses. I found it very interesting reading and am "guilty" in a few areas!!!!!!
Freddie always speaks nicely for his breakfast and will step back when I ask but always with ears flat - now I know!!!
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Basilisk
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 1:06:58 PM
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It is *not* the case that ears-back at the sight of food equals agression. If you do some basic behaviour-observation of foals, you will soon see that they lay their ears back to feed, in order to be able to get their head under the mare's belly. This behaviour is retained by many horses in their relationship with their owner, since the owner becomes a mother substitute in that they are the source of the food, and the horse regresses to infant responses at the sight of food (as do dogs). This applies to other non-stress situations in which the horse flattens its ears at the sight of the owner - especially when the owner is a woman.
If flattened ears are accompanied by other definite signs of agression - bite-threats, striking, etc, then they ARE a sign of agression, but treating them as such when they are on the contrary a sign of AFFECTION can also damage your relationship with your horse.
My advice is, don't just rely on the pronouncements of 'authorities', but spend as much time observing YOUR horse and how they react to situations, THEN use your common sense! Remember, YOUR horse hasn't read what the 'authority' has to say - and it may well be the 'authority' knows very little about Arabs, who have significantly different behaviour traits from other breeds (see thread on 'neck wringing').
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heathermcbreen
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 1:10:22 PM
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Blimey... I am so crap... I do EVERYTHING wrong!!! I let him nudge me for treats and all sorts of other crimes! he pulls foul faces at tea time and I panic about "yes alright I am doing it as fast as I can" I better pull my socks up and try to be the boss! this all makes such good sense I can see that he is far too big and dangerous to be considered a pet and that is exactly what I have been doing. All the mares/fillies I have ever had have been much more laid back and it did not seem so important. |
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heathermcbreen
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 1:12:26 PM
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oh thanks Keren, maybe the teatime thing is not an issue but I am guilty of letting him push me about too much. |
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shah
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 1:38:11 PM
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Have been guilty of some of this too....but am now in the process of having to re-eduacte both myself and shah. It's not always easy, especially if you're not the bolshy type anyway, but I learned the hard way that it has to be done!
This is why I enjoy this site, I have learned so much!
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suyents
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 2:08:47 PM
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would so love to send the section on habitat to SO many people...especially to some who keep their stallions confined in little boxes disguised as american barn stabling...still just TINY stalls with bars. enough to make any decent animal go mad really. suyen. |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 5:03:12 PM
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That should be essential reading for all horse owners, many of whom forget that their horse is just that, a powerful and intelligent animal. It would be easy to say a lot of the precautionary stuff is over the top, since many of us have desensitised our horses to a lot of 'threats', but if you have a strange horse on your hands it isn't so over the top. I think if you understand the nature of a horse, its behavioural traits and its language you have the best possible chance of training it to its maximum potential and having a great partnership. But it does rather put the kybosh on the 'kissing my pony who loves me' way of thinking... |
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Wendy Allan
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 5:47:14 PM
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I've always found it useful to think of mine as half ton babies with iron clad feet and award them due respect. |
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 6:05:03 PM
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What a brilliant posting. Its good to remind us sometimes that our beloved horses can become mobile killing/harming machines if we are not all very careful. It is interesting the point made that raising your voice in a controlled manner (little shout!) can stop horses in their tracks just as they squeal at each other. My dominant Alpha mare sometimes does try to push me around sometimes, if I "Shout" at her she stops dead what she is doing and listens, and will stop whatever she is doing that is naughty. What fascinating reading. Nicky |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 7:36:32 PM
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Basilisk - I agree with your note about laying ears back, I have a handreared filly here (now 18 months old) that will always lay her ears back if I go to her or enter her yard, she is not and never has been agressive to anyone! |
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Kora
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 7:41:10 PM
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I too found this post extremely interesting and makes compelling reading. I have had to read it two or three times to try and take it all in. And Yes very guilty of many of the mentioned behaviours. What really interested me is what you mentioned Basilisk about ears back etc. I posted a thread last year about how my new boy always greets me by whinneying but with his ears back, yet no aggression or biting . While he waits for his feed his ears are back, but there is no aggression. Apart rom riding and when sometimes I am grooming or messing in his stable his ears would be back .I was frightened that he hated me and it really upset me as I could not understand what I was doing wrong as he was really a very good boy.Are we saying now that he does care and respect me a little!! I am always aware of the strength and power of my horse and also try to understand why he behaves like he does and I have learnt such alot from reading this. I don't like shouting and really not had to do very much at all but I understand now why in some cases you need to do as such though I once read one should never shout or strike at a horse . Anyway, extremely intersting! Kora |
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Basilisk
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 9:51:45 PM
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Something many 'authorities' do not realise about the Arab is that it has a very different background from virtually all other breeds of horse. For 1500 years, the Arab has been carefully selected to fit in with humans with as little conflict as possible - putting it bluntly, the Bedouin ATE any horse that was a PITA. As a result, the Arab is far more 'humanised' than any other breed in the world. Yes, they are far bigger and stronger and should be treated with respect, but if you want to know how to treat your Arab, talk to people who know about the breed, don't just take the word of so-called 'authorities'.
If you want to read about Arab behaviour, go to the work of Lesley Skipper, or the other British lady who has written so eloquently about her behavioural research on her Arab herd (having a blonde moment here and can't recall her name though I can see her face VERY clearly!).
Arabs actively WANT to engage in communication and association with 'their' humans and are bright enough to learn how to pick up on a 50/50 system of communication in which you each use a little of the other's language skills (verbal and non-verbal). If you reject their attempts to engage with you, you will end up with a sour and frustrated horse.
We have a new vet who came out before Xmas to do my mare's teeth and look at a skin problem one of the boys had. I decided to apologise in advance for the boy as he is a bit of a 'character', but fortunately the vet was not in the least put out by him.
Her reaction was "I don't mind, your horses all have personalities."
I said, "Oh, that's because they are Arabs."
"No," she said, "They have personalities because YOU allow them to have personalities. I go to so many yards where the horses are nothing but numbers. Their owners don't interact with them at all."
So - don't take silly risks, but don't hold your Arabs at arm's length either. They are very tactile creatures (boys in particular) and you will get far more fulfilment by developing an even-handed relationship with them than you will by treating them as a big, dangerous animal all the time. Arabs are generous enough to want to span the species gap: the least we can do is show them equal generosity in return.
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arabic
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 10:43:12 PM
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That was brilliantly put Keren!!!
I am not ashamed to say that I was 44 when I took on mine (he was 7)I had no horse knowledge at all!! I have learned from him and he from me until we found, the 50/50. He is the only arab on our yard and people refuse to believe they are different and I have given up trying. I enjoy the wonderful relationship we have and watch it grow. Some days I will have to find a little more tolerance then others, but he knows how far he can go and I think he seems to realise and appreciate that and when Im not having such a good day, he will return the favour!!
BOOKS...............I have been looking for ages for information on their behaviour, Its been a great learning curve that I wouldnt swop but I would love to find out more. I havent been able to find any books on their actual behaviour and not their history.
Have you remembered the British Lady's name, wasnt Wentworth was it?? Not heard of Lesley Skipper, can you give me a title please and I will get it.
Sandi
Actually I came here to print off Debs post to pin up in our tack room, may have to add your bit too Keren, perhaps then they will realise "arabs are different" ha ha |
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Deboniks
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 11:16:46 PM
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Sandie, Leslie Skipper wrote a book called 'Inside your horse mind' Here's some more books Bill Dorrance and leslie Desmond wrote 'True Horsemanship through feel'(www.lesliedesmond.com also her dvd's and cd's are great to learn from) Monty Roberts 'The man who listens to horses' Try www.thehorseshow.com listen to the free radio you will find articles on horse behavior. You could do a search for articles on Ray Hunt.Tom Dorrance,Clinton Anderson, or just type Horse behaviour into your google search. The article I posted is a factual one. It doesn't mean you should go out tommorow like a little Hitler If you are aware of these facts it will help to keep you safe Keren These are the rules I apply to my horse and horses I handle. I will not let a horse walk all over me or push me or disrespect me. This is for my safety, but I DO love my horse (to bits)and I do kiss him!! I am working towards a give and take relationship with clear boundries |
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Vera
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 09:07:37 AM
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I've often wondered why Dennis licks me so much.
For example every morning when I am putting his boots on he licks my thigh (jeans on!!!!), when I poo pick him he licks my bum or the bottom of my back. He holds my shoulder in his mouth and will mouth it but does not bite it. I've seen people look at me in horror when he does this but he doesn't bite. In fact he will lick me just about anywhere on cloths or bare skin, he will lick my hands and will seek out my hand to lick it but it is definately different to searching for a treat. He will give fantastic snogs too with no attempt to bite at all.
The lick is firm but leisurely and on the return his muzzle is in contact with whatever bit he is licking.
Any ideas?
Vera and Dennis PS very thought provoking and I'm also guilty of certain practices!! |
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Zan
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 09:40:41 AM
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I've been mulling over reply to this, but Keren your bit about horses being generous enough to "span the species gap " sums it up! I know you said Arabs, not horses, but much as I love Arabs, and I agree that they do REALLY want to interact with people, other horses do too. My first horse Rosa didn't have a drop of Arab blood, but we had an incredible relationship.There's a lot of common sense in the article, but to follow it slavishly would miss the best bits of having horses. I never think of my horses or any of my animals as humans, but you get tremendous rewards from "spanning the species gap".Vera--both my Arabs have snogged me.Why?--affection! I kiss them,They are clever enough to interprate that as affection from another species, and do it back. |
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suyents
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 11:31:41 AM
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was the writer Marthe Kiley-Worthington?? She has done extensive work woth herds.... suyen |
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arabic
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 12:05:32 PM
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I love this post!!!! Its probably better than reading any books.
Keren, thanks for clearing up the bit about ears back when feed arrives. I knew it wasnt nastiness, and have never chastised him just couldnt understand it when he asks so nicely, then ears back.
Freddie licks me all over too, unfortunately his favourite when Im pooh picking is to creep up, give me a nudge and watch me roll over laughing cos Ive been caught again. If I see him and firmly state no, he doesnt do it, but the deal we have struck seems to be that if I dont see him - tough, over I go ha ha!!
Whats with the front foot in the air whilst feeding then!! That seems to be an arab thing. Freddie did it lots when he was younger, not so much now. The only other horse on our yard that does it is a part bred??
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Zan
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 12:28:40 PM
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Both my Arabs have done the front foot in he air. I have always just taken it to be "MMMMMMmmmmmmmmm this is so delicious!" |
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Deboniks
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shah
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 2:04:35 PM
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So much to read!!
Shah licks me too. It's their way of grooming us. He will bite at the end of a good lick tho so I have to be on guard all the time... |
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Wyllow
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 3:02:02 PM
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I always consider all mine as capable of suddenly reverting to "wild" in surprise circumstances and it's stood me in good stead as no matter how you trust a horse or he trusts you.....there is ALWAYS the fact that he is a HORSE to contend with and the differences in response to certain stresses or surprises can be detrimental to humans a fraction of their size and strength ~ it's true!
However.... I do have two stallions that lick and nuzzle and don't try to dominate.....maybe it's to do with the fact they are only 8hh?!?!?!?!
My Arab mare kisses me all the time and licks and nuzzles and NEVER takes advantage.
On the other hand, the mouthing from Japser is ALWAYS dominance related and from Milly can be sheer cheek.
I'd say "know your individual horse" but remain aware as that thought provoking piece suggests that he IS A HORSE!!!!
With that, it's made me consider that parting with Jasper may not be such an issue as I might be attached to him but he is attached to horse company ~ and it doesn't really seem to matter that much WHO it is, FOOD and space to run.....and that's about it. I may grieve if he goes and he and Chlio might miss one another but "herds" alter and animals tend to adapt better than we do with change ( on the whole).
It's no bad thing to remember at times that some of us ~ and myself included, can without thinking anthropomorhise ( spelling??)horses and animals and we do them a disservice. We don't lessen them by recognising that they are very different to us, we honour those differences.....and in some cases, it may just avoid unpleasantness or accident.
But I don't suppose I'll stop Ginger or Billy, my mini stallions from chewing my jacket even so!!!! |
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arabic
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 3:41:19 PM
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Thanks for all the web addresses Debbie, had a quick look, cant wait to go through it all properly either this evening or at the weekend!!
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Deboniks
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 11:15:33 PM
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Never underestimate a horse's powers of communication. I thought I would add this to my first post to try to make it clear that there ARE times when it is GOOD to invite your horse for a bit of mutual bonding.But if it's not 'mutual' and you are unaware of what they 'really' are trying to communicate, you might get kicked,bitten,pushed or trod on.
Horses are sophisticated in their ability to communicate, not only with each other but also with other creatures and humans around them.
In order to handle and ride horses successfully, you need a clear understanding of the characteristics and instincts that drive equine behavior.
Touch: Horses rely heavily on touch to communicate both with humans and with other horses. This is readily apparent when the horse responds to the leg and seat pressures of the rider. Whiskers are used to touch and feel objects,
Communication: Neighing? Squealing? Nickering? What's the difference?
Understanding herding instincts will help you interpret your horse's behavior. Mutual grooming between horses is a form of ritual bonding within herds. Horses touch and nuzzle each other as a sign of friendship and acceptance. Physical contact with other horses is vital to the mental well-being of your horse.
Smell: A horse's sense of smell is far more acute than that of a human being. It is able to recognize friends, both human and animal, by smell alone. This means that those handling horses should make the effort to be consistent with scents (e.g.: lotion, cologne and soap) to assist the horse in recognizing them. Horses are also able to smell the fear scent that is given off by humans. This explains the tension that can be communicated when a rider or handler exhibits fear.
Body and facial language: Body and facial language are primary communication tools for horses, with fear, curiosity and aggression often being displayed in this manner. In the case of fear, horses often flare their nostrils and flatten their ears against their heads. Aggression, which can produce similar facial expressions, on the other hand, should not be mistaken for fear. Such expressions of alarm would normally be accompanied by a clamped down tail and in more defensive stages, by an open mouth and a leg being raised. You will be able to tell why the ears are back by the facial expressions.
Oral Communication: Physical expressions are often accompanied by oral communication. Snorting, associated with a long intense stare, is a horse's way of alerting its peers to the possibility of danger, or of asking other herd members whether they are under threat. Determining whether an intruder is a friend or foe is normally manifested by a large blow through the nostrils, similar to a snort. Nickering is a friendly form of communication between horses or to humans that they recognize as friends.
More aggressive approaches are displayed as a squeal or a scream, the latter being the more serious and generally indicative of a fight that is about to commence. A squeal is generally deemed to be a warning sign.
The neigh is the loudest and most commonly used form of oral communication and is rarely an indicator of fear. A horse normally uses a neigh to locate other horses or to announce its own presence.
The horse has a whole panoply of communication tools at its disposal—and it uses them to the full! Sometimes it will use a single gesture; at other times it will engage in a complicated pattern or sequence of indicators. Horses have personalities. Their individualality and their capability of learning help us to bond and admire them. Respect is a two way thing, and when you get it you will have the most wonderful relationship with your horse. I hope this helps clarify some issues.
An account of a pit pony called Ben exemplifies the amazing two-way communication that can exist between horse and human. BEN~
Ben, who was a coal miner's pony and worked down in the mines, normally shared his driver's lunchtime sandwiches. One day, Ben refused to join in the meal. Instead, he stood a little distance away, pawing the ground with his hoof. At first, his master ignored him, but when Ben began to whinny and shy away, the coal miner decided to follow his pony. Almost immediately, the roof collapsed—at the very spot where the miner had been sitting! An extreme example of empathy? Maybe.
One thing, however, is quite clear: the further one explores the intricacies of equine communication, the greater the rewards. The more you learn about the Equus language the more you are able to understand your horse. You will be able to invite your horse into your personal space yet he will also respect that space when required. |
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Edited by - Deboniks on 13 Jan 2006 11:23:46 PM |
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