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Vera
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 Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:01:55 PM
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So what do you think? Was this programme more acceptable than last weeks just because they didn't show anything being killed?
I found this episode certainly less shocking than last weeks programme but then they didn't show the true horror of the spectacle of a bullfight. They didn't show any of (or mention) the horrific injuries the horses sometimes suffer and she dismisses the killing of the bulls into one sentence. THEN she goes on to say that some say the killing of bulls should be stopped but the 'art form' of bullfighting on horseback will be lost. WHAT COMPLETE AND UTTER TOSH!!!!!!! ART FORM MY ARSE!!!!!!!
Don't get me wrong the horses and the riding skills are an art form in itself. If they really must they could still 'fight' the bulls, maybe stick coloured blobs on them instead of sticking those bloody great spikes in them. She simply stated the bulls are killed but doesn't say how. They don't have to kill the bulls in the ring, they could still show off their amazing riding and training skills (of that there is no doubt) and not torture them to death.
Tradition is not a good enough reason to carry on barberous torture.
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susan p
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 9:49:19 PM
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Is anyone watching this?The bull fighting is horrible  |
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susan p
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:10:14 PM
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Snap,I just started a thread on the same topic.
I found her attitude really disturbing and my 15 year old daughter left the room in floods of tears,so I missed the rest of it which was probably just as well.
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susan p
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:16:39 PM
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The other part that I found disturbing was the andalucian farming,bit like puppy farming but worse
The "good" mare was covered at least 3 times a year and the resulting embryo put into a not so good surrogate mare,,,,,to produce more "products"(foals to you and I!)
Sick but not as upsetting as the bull fighting,that should be banned globally its just wrong |
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heatherr
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:23:57 PM
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I turned over pretty quickly - I have been to Andalucia, seen the way horses are treated there and was not impressed at all.  |
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gossy
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:26:57 PM
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| i find it equally as nasty as last week, |
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susan p
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:33:51 PM
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| How do you complain to the BBC,we should all complain about this programme! |
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nicolanapper
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 08:16:57 AM
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Well I did enjoy it. And who's to say we Brits treat our horses any better, you have only to look at what goes on at somewhere like Appleby for instance!
There is an arrogance among a lot of the horse community in this country, and maybe elsewhere in the world too that no one else looks after horses as well as they do.
It was an informative programme. There are not enough horse programmes on the TV anyway. I think the BBC cant win, glad so many of you have so little going on in your lives that you find time to complain to the BBC about a few bulls!!!
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mittens
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 08:28:37 AM
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| I didn't like the way she focused all of her comments around the skill of the horsemen and picking her favourites,seemingly unpeturbed by the actual torture of the bull.As I put on facebook,there's no need to kill and maim in order to show off your riding skills,if that were the case all dressage arenas would be blood baths! I saw a display with Peter Madison Greenwell and The horsemen of the apocolypse where they used a bicycle as the 'bull' and all the skills could still be demonstrated.I've always had a romantisised view of the spanish and their horses so apart from the foal farming what else did you find Heatherr that was awful as I have a friend wishing to go to Andalucia to potentially buy a horses, I might advise her to buy from here. |
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Zan
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 09:05:22 AM
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| I am delighted to see so many people prepared to take the time to complain to the BBC about this. "A few bulls" Nicolanapper??? Bullfighting is barbaric and has no place in the 21st Century. |
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swalk
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 09:05:56 AM
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I was hoping that last night's programme would be challenging and thought provoking instead what could have been an interesting programme was rendered utterly boring by Tolstoy's inane commentary. The most insightful comments she could come up with were 'Wow...that's amazing, it's beautiful, woww amazing'. It seemed a very superficial look at the horse world of Andalucia - and as for the rather pathetic excuse in support of the bull fight about the loss of a kind of horsemanship.......what is the Spanish Riding School, all of the same movements are displayed there! I couldn't believe that her most insightful comment when watching the bullfighter school his horse was I can see why he's such a hero.....sorry, I can't, especially as it seemed to be his sister doing all the hard work!
I would have liked to have seen much more about the relationship between human and horse (not just men, although the programme was totally male dominated)and I didn't really understand why so much of the programme was given over to the pilgrimmage, it suddenly seemed to turn into a travel programme half way through!
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BabsR
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 09:47:39 AM
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Well how PLEASED am I that there are hopefully, but a FEW of those "with so little going on in their lives".....it takes programmes such as these barbaric BLOODY films to bring a little enjoyment into their sad and uncaring lives !!!!!
ALL Blood sports should be banned......barbaric killings staged for the satisfaction of spectators bloodlust pleasure
To call such spectacles, Tradition,!!!! is, literally B.......t!!!
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nicolanapper
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 10:05:27 AM
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As usual you have all taken the bait!!! This is a forum which invites comments and I have given mine, and none of you like them. Still each to their own. I wont play follow my leader.
Documentaries on TV always "get it wrong" particularly if the viewer has such passionate views on the subject. Perhaps it is best not to watch even if you do like horses.
Zan, I accept your comments, you are a vegetarian, if I remember rightly, dont eat meat, or use leather goods, handbags, saddles, shoes etc.
Babs R, you have learn that not all people have the same views as your own and try not to get nasty with your retorts!
At the end of the day this goes on in Spain if we like it or not. I believe the Spanish people take care of their children and their older people better than we do though.
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BabsR
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 10:58:52 AM
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I did not watch this or the previous Horse People documentary and would not watch any like film...I abhor all cruelty of ANY kind, but particularly to any creature, when the end result is the killing, for the pleasure of the spectators....
We are in the 21st century and such barbaric cruelty is unacceptable, whatever part of the world we live in
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gossy
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 11:11:02 AM
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| I have to agree with Babs and Zan, as you said Nicky we all have differing views, so if you can air yours then surely it is fair to view ours to?? i do not think that Babs reply was nasty at all or personal to you, just because you dont agree doesnt make it wrong to have that view. |
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jacki
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 11:19:17 AM
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I was shocked how when riding she kept saying he is a lovely horse when it was a mare!
She screamed on the back of the horse at the end like a idiot.
The riding demonstrated was ok but nothing special and can be done without the hauling on the reins or a bull.
And why in a hot country with so many flies were forlocks cut off or plaited into balls?
I didnt see a full overview of horses in andulucia just a silly woman with limited vocabulary and understanding looking at the bits that would provoke most people into responding one way or the other on serious topics that should have been explained in more detail rather than glazed over.
The programe was weak and the presenter awful! |
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 11:39:24 AM
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| I thought that about the manes....instead of fringed browbands why not just leave them flowing freely?! Also do Andalucians have incredibly short dock or were they docked? |
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vanishtrik
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 11:39:50 AM
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| i really can't see that complaining to the BBC is gonna do anything to stop the bull fighting , surly showing what goes on brings it to the forefront for people to do some thing about it, if things like these aren't shown surly its like burying your head in the sand, what i keep saying you don't have to watch turn it off if you don't like it |
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BabsR
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 12:02:01 PM
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I do feel that complaining to the BBC will effectively bring about the "ommission" of such unnacceptable viewing of barbaric cruelty, to our TV screens.
Screening such horrific spectacles, will never bring about the abolition of blood sports....whilst the paying Public flock into these blood drenched arenas, to cheer and whoop, each time the poor bull is tortured and finally killed, and the horses suffer dreadfully too.
It beggars belief, that folk actually gain huge enjoyment and pay to view such cruelty....makes me ashamed of being a human being!!
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vanishtrik
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 12:06:24 PM
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| each to their own eh, and if showing the horrers of the world doesnt promt action then why do we bother with comic releif etc, nuf sed! |
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themewoman
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 12:12:23 PM
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| what about boxing??? kick boxing etc??? is that not a blood sport??? |
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BabsR
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 12:28:15 PM
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Well maybe it is because we are horrified that humans are suffering and dying of starvation, cruelty, war, etc etc and screening the suffering, leads to such amazing charitable help.
NOT so for the poor defenceless animals when folk actually PAY to enjoy seeing them tortured and killed, creating huge income for the Governments of their respective Countries!!
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BabsR
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 12:43:02 PM
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All I can say to that comment is.. if Humans choose to beat each other into a pulp in an arena, both being consensual, that is entirely their CHOICE....animals have NO CHOICE and are subjected to immense pain and suffering to their death, for the pleasure of the paying onlooker!!
No comparison as far as blood sport goes!!
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