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LYNDILOU
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 Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:13:19 AM
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Trouble is we have been here before , everyone talks about it but no one will ever do anything about it,
so the subject will be lost again until someone else brings it up. what we need is someone who will fight the corner of these poor stallions.
we need someone on council who will try and upgrade the lives of stallions, but who am I kidding its not going to happen in my lifetime meanwhile here is at least one happy stallion and my home is open for any inspection.
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BabsR
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 10:25:28 AM
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What an absolutely super pic.........a very happy and relaxed stallion with his two little buddies. That is how life should be for entires.
That picture, with an appealing caption, should be blown up into Poster size and pinned up in the Secretary`s Office/Tent/Caravan at all Arabian Shows, or shows with Arabian classes. Perhaps it may then register that a happy stallion is also a safe and gentle companion, given the opportunity!!!
What an ideal situation and what all stallions need. Well done you
Babs
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jillandlomond
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 1:21:08 PM
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Yep, that's an excellent photo of your stallion's lifestyle Lynda! He's clearly, a contented, relaxed boy and I sooooo wish ALL stallions could be given the opportunity to lead a happy life like that |
    
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MinHe
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 14 Apr 2009 : 5:48:07 PM
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So Minhe
Wher does one go from here? |
    
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Waldo
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England
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Posted - 15 Apr 2009 : 2:30:05 PM
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I had my boy gelded after doing 3 ridden seasons with him. Although he was always hacked out often or exercised everyday, he is kept on a livery yard and the ignorance of other liveries/YO's made it virtually impossible for me to be able to give him a natural life. When he did go out to graze, all the other horses, from the adjoining fields, had to stay in the stables and because he had never been used to company from long before I purchased him, he just pined and stressed if I left him in the field alone so I had to be his companion too!
I decided that now I have bred a youngster from him, I owed it to him so that he could start and have a much more fulfilling life.
Its taken a while for him to adjust and when he's out with the mare's, he still insists on trying to cover them when they are in season and takes quite a 'beating' off them for it! I have now introduced him to a thoroughbred gelding as his field mate and he has now started to settle down and is living a very relaxed happy life. He is my horse in a lifetime and he owes me nothing. I felt that by gelding him, I was giving him a whole new lease of life and I have never looked back. |
Don't get your knickers in a knot, it solves nothing; and makes you walk funny
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 08:59:39 AM
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Had a thought
If the welfare act includes the 5 freedoms and is law why is it left to a charity to police it .
Why like every other law is it not a police matter I wonder ? |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 12:37:06 PM
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| It always interests me if you watch any of those "Animal Cops Houston" programmes on Sky, the people who work over there have far more powers than over here. I think in some states they even have full police powers. |
    
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CINDERS
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England
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Posted - 20 Apr 2009 : 1:10:14 PM
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Alistair
Probably a civil rather than criminal matter in law
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barbara.gregory
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 09:08:45 AM
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The trouble with legislation is that it is very difficult to make it workable without making it too restrictive or too weak. And you can only prosecute those you catch!
For example, daily turnout. My stallion really hates the cold and rain even though he is well rugged. I make him go out unless it is freezing rain but in those conditions I let him stay in, he is much happier in the warm and dry munching his hay.
I have a neighbour who reported me for having built barns without permission; I don't even have a barn and the same neighbour developed a barn without permission and was granted retrospective planning permission! She also said my stallion never had any water in his field and I had a visit by the RSPCA who entered my property without permission (didn't think they were legally allowed to do that unless accompanied by the police) while I was at work and didn't even have the manners to tell me that they had been; several neighbours told me. Presumably the RSPCA inspector saw his water!
I am sure that same neighbour would report me if the stallion wasn't in his field and unless I had a vet to say he had to be kept in I would be breaking the law by keeping him in so he would have to go out every day and be wet and thoroughly miserable when it was foul out. One has to think very carefully as the law not only prevents (sometimes) cruelty but also can stop people managing their horses in the way that is best for that particular horse. I bred my stallion so I know his likes and dislikes and what keeps him happy and want to have the freedom to continue to keep him as he likes not as some law states.
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 09:31:10 AM
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Thanks Cinders/ Barbara
Common sense is always best and owners know their horses but my point is that it appears to be accepted that stallions can be imprisoned for life .
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 09:44:03 AM
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It says a lot about those who think it is acceptable!!!! Even if the stallion appears happy it is very bad for him physically to not to be able to have a gallop around and use his muscles.
Sadly as long as there are people there will always be animal abuse. I personally would make a comment if I went to a stud and the stallions were always kept in. I do visit some stude where the stallions go out in rotation, each having a few hours in the field, and they are very happy stallions. If that is what they are used to so long as they have a few hours out them seem fine
A study was done a few years ago and stress levels among other things measured in horses with varying degrees of turnout and the horses on the study were fine with 2 hours a day out; there was no difference in their stress levels from having all day out. No turnout and one hour did show hogher stress levels, interesting. I would have thought 4+ would be best but the study didn't show that. However, I am sure physically longer is better as even if the horse is only mooghing around grazing it is getting some exercise.
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 1:44:31 PM
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The best set-up I have seen was at Maiworm's in Germany where there was an area in front of the stable about 8mx6m with a rof and high rails for the stallion to play in in wet weather ,which had an open section all the way round so he could see what was going on .
In front of that was a sheilded paddock with a row of conifers to obscure the other stallions on the left but see other horses in the distance
Behind the stable there was a back door leading to the forest where Mr Maiworm used to take them on a lead for a long walk.
He could do anything with them ,I saw him crawl on hands and knees under Maysoun!
Happy fertile horses.
Compare that to the poor animals in a death row line up in some studs .
I just do not think it is right or decent. |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 21 Apr 2009 : 9:31:13 PM
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Lovely Lynda
Personally I believe the ideal situation for any horse is a 24/7 turnout with friends with access to a nice big airy dry shelter with rugs when needed, much better than just stable OR just turnout without shelter. Mine have always lived like this, I know it's not always possible due to illness/livery issues/bullies etc but in my experience horses kept in this way are very sane happy horses.
Solitary confinement is a severe punishment reserved for dangerous criminals in our species, but this is exactly what some horses are subjected to all their lives |
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