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SEZ
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England
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 Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 12:03:32 PM
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My friend's mare becomes very uncomfortable around her season and also changes shape. She has been scanned and has no ovarian problems. It only lasts for a few days and she is not unwell, just uncomfortable. She is very mare-ish. Having only had geldings, I am at a loss. What can we do to make her more comfortable?
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Lindsay
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Scotland
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 3:52:21 PM
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| I had HUGE problems last summer with Sylvie being hormonal. She put me in hospital, savaged her field companion and was just overall a very unhappy and moody person. I persevered from March until July with Oestress from NAF but in all honesty it didn't help even on the highest suggested dose. I couldn't ride her or handle her when she was in season. My vet was out on numerous occasions to see her and could find nothing physically wrong with her and natural horsemanship had no effect either. Many people have criticised me for it but in the end I put her onto regumate. All I can say is what a difference - I had my loving and sweet mare back within two days and was back riding within a week. Expensive but VERY worth it. It's just trial and error I'm afraid but good luck in your search for what suits your girl. x |
   
Paidir dóibhsean le fiántas ina gcroíthe acu, atá coinnithe i gcaighin |
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Theo
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England
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 7:45:50 PM
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Hi Sez,
Our Millie (WB) had the same problem, she was so uncomfortable that she started leaning against anything solid... that included knocking stable walls down!
In the end, we had her scanned and found that she had an old 'corpus luteum' that did'nt reabsorb, that caused her tremendous stress and discomfort to the stage that she became unrideable. The vet gave her a series of prostaglandin to 'kick start her system again' and the we had the option of putting her on regumate. We ended up putting her infoal instead as it worked out much cheaper! Doh! (Another one!) We had a very nice WB foal last year... and touch wood... she's been consistent after foaling.
I know the vets did'nt find any abnormalties in the ovaries, but probably would'nt do any harm to give the system a flush out anyway... might be worth a try?
Lindsay, is that a Cairn terrier in your sig pic? Lovely doggie! |
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Arabmare
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Feb 2009 : 3:48:26 PM
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I am thinking this is the problem with my mare at the mo. If anyone could what is the main symptoms?
After having mares that never have been grumpy in season Shantih has started to be really angry if I touch her or groom her or rug up or saddle her. She bolted with a girl trying her out for share the other day and ran all the way home (not like her!)
I am putting it down to her being in season and now there are gypsey horses next door stallion, mares and colts and they spend alot of the time as near as they can get to them. I'm thinking she is very uncomfortable with this season. She usually is grumpy but never bites me like this!! Just wonering what sort of things you can buy for the feed? |
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Theo
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 6:36:16 PM
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Hi Arabmare,
Try Equine Herbal's 'Harmony', it seems to work very well with Jo's dressage horse. Think she puts 25 ml of the liquid in her evening feed. Apparently it's the most concentrated form of herbal concoction available? So... no more !!!
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Badgworth
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Posted - 21 Feb 2009 : 11:07:00 PM
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| I'd be really grateful if anyone could confirm the value of magnesium (epsom salts) that my vet suggested try for my mare who has off days; ultra sensitive when grooming or touching generally and will exhibit threatening behaviour, bite, look unhappy yet want to be near you and really quite sorry if a bite has landed! She behaves otherwise very calmly throughout these periods, its the sensitivity that appears hyper and needs thoughful managing. Despite this her foal soon learnt to cope and he gives her a few seconds before nosing in once she has appropriately warned him with a nip. I understand the magnesium is evident in both oestress and other hormonal mare calmers. |
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Valentine Arabians
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Feb 2009 : 05:41:45 AM
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We use pure Magnesium Oxide powder (1 scoop/day) and it is working very well. It takes a few days to be absorbed into the system and the horses can be a little 'OTT' until then, but it DOES work. We still have the odd squeal and bum rubbing from our very hormonal girl when the stallions walk past, but other than that...lovely mare. By the way, it also works on OTT stallions, just taking the edge off, with no untoward effects.
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Liz & Walter Downes
www.ValentineArabians.com
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Theo
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 22 Feb 2009 : 09:20:32 AM
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Hi Badgworth,
I'm sure that the magnesium in calmers is NOT Epsom Salts (MgSO4) - magnesium sulphate, as this enters the blood, the sulphate part would turn into H2SO4 which is sulphuric acid! Which would severly lower the Ph value in the blood and urine (hence flushing agent). So in vast quantaties, this would'nt do the horse any good?!
Your description of sensitive to touch (as if she was touched by a red-hot poker?) Does sound like a Mg deficiency.
I am not sure how well MgO gets absorbed through the gut lining, but the reason that the 'commercial calmers' are so expensive is that they use a 'Chelated' - Mg bound in protein; form of magnesium, so the metal is easily absorbed into the system.
On a cellular level, overdoseing of Mg can lead to disruption of the active transport system, and the balance needs to be redressed with additional Potassium (K).
Doseage and type I shall go and find out and get back! |
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k brown
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United Kingdom
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Theo
Silver Member
England
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Posted - 22 Feb 2009 : 11:02:45 AM
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Hi,
Just had a quick nosey in the bag...
As suspected... chelated Mg and K at a 1:1 ratio (analysis doesnt give away much... 41% protein 5% Mg and 5% K)
Feed doseage:
1x 25ml scoop = 23g powder
Loading dose (7 days) 3 scoops per day split into 2 feeds.
Maintenance dose (day 8-28) 2 scoops per day
1kg supply should last a month per horse. You should not need to continue after the 1kg has run out.
Badgworth, I shall attempt to pm you with link.
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Badgworth
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Posted - 22 Feb 2009 : 9:06:59 PM
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Thank you so much for all the analysis and picking up on the sensitivity. Interesting topic indeed. Apparently my mare has always been sensitive; she is now 11yrs old, needing caution with grooming. I will certainly try the recommendation (and leave the epsom salts). Is there any knowledge regarding the natural diet and grazing habits that pure bred arab horses would have accessed in their native middle east that would influence their genetic makeup. Would this need to be taken into consideration with their dietary needs in our British clime and restrictive style of paddock grazing. Also, if a horse has this supplimentary need, will it be necessary for their lifetime? Will the imbalance self correct if sensitivity has always been the case. Sorry, perhaps you may like to recommend some good reading on the subject. - Marina |
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