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rafabreeze
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 Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 10:50:38 AM
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I just wondered what your thoughts were on tall pure breds? Over the years they seem to have grown. My one boy is touching 15:3hh but he isnt spindley at all.(if you know what I mean) Georgina and the very tall Rafa! 
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Roseanne
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:06:22 AM
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I have two giants! Lance is about 15.3hh but my youngster is only three and is already that. His Dad is Psynergy and I understand he stands at 16hh. I have no doubt that this boy will be that height if not more, since Lance grew a hand between 4 - 7 years old.
I know some people think you lose 'typiness' if an Arab gets big, but this young man has the typiest head and neck. His body is a bit rangy as he's still so young but he should be very Araby as a mature horse.
I have another boy who's 14.2 - 3hh, Crabbet/Old English and very 'original' and typically of a lot of his kind rides much bigger than his size.
I think there just will be big and smaller Arabs and people will have to get used to it, as so many are now growing tall.
I can say that Lance has been the most comfortable ride on the planet. It's just wonderful being on a purebred who's so comfy and satisfying to ride as well as looking so handsome. (Sorry for the bias but he's my Number 1!) |
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Pasha
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:06:52 AM
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I love tall purebreds (as long as they retain their quality and type).
My mum's gelding Mishlah 1977 (out of Sliver Flame) was 16.1hh and her mare Risskino 1981 was 15.1hh.... Walfrieds Neptun 1987 (a.k.a Pasha) is 15.2hh officially although I swear he is bigger - if only I could get near him with the measuring stick!!
All 3 were (are in Pasha's case) very typey, but 'traditional' with a very strong wedge shaped head, small (not prominent) dish, very strong legs, chunky types with broad chests and deep girths and in Rissky's case, lungs that could go on forever!! She absolutely loved to run that one and would have been a fantastic endurance horse!!
I have said on here before that when I buy a youngster, I will buy a WB with a high TB/Arab % BUT, if I could find another Pasha or Rissky or Mishlah in fact, I wouldn't hesitate. Sadly, all the ones I see that I would want are not for sale x |
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taranstorm
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:10:39 AM
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Love tall arabs as that way they big enough for myself to ride,my boy on sales page SHAH STORM is only 6-7 months old,almost catch up to his mum size who is 15.1/2hh!My other mare BINT SHAKIRA who is only 14hh,sadly looking for new home for her as too small for me as im tall/heavy  |
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Crusaders Angel
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:14:25 AM
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Rio is 15.2hh at the front end and 15.3hh at the back end and he's not 4 until March  .
I'm not very knowledgeable about bloodlines and type but I think he definitely looks very araby. He is 3/4 Egyptian (mainly American lines) and 1/4 Russian.
I also have a 15.1hh mostly Polish bred mare who, at certain angles looks like a TB or anglo. Its not until she takes the handbrake off and starts to work that she definitely looks like an arab.
I'm a bit of a chubster and quite tall so need to have something a bit taller and more substantial so I don't look like I'm gonna squash them 
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rafabreeze
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:16:36 AM
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| Rafa is very 'typey' hence getting 19's and 18's at Towerlands and BAC's for Type, Head and Neck. He is by Affirmmed (Magnus Psyche) who I beleive is fairly tall out of a Bey Shah mare, Raffalynne who isnt particularly tall herself. He is a chunky sort with plenty of room for a saddle (eventually) Im only 5ft3" and when I stand next to him I feel very small, where as Shah is only 15hh. Just hope Rafa doesnt get too big for me - Georgina x |
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pat ww
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:22:54 AM
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| I like to be able to look over their backs, so 14.2's are good! having said that the SE colt who is here must be over 15.2 now at 2 and a half. he has got the prettiest head! and plenty of bone and substance. |
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angelarab
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:51:52 AM
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Baz at 30mths is 14.2ish and just gone bum spurt again, think he will make 15hh+ it's so exciting wondering how big he will make, just hope not too big i am 5'3 with a 29inside leg! think his Dad is 15.2 and his mom 15hh any thoughts on how big he will go? |
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nikki
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:53:17 AM
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| i like tall arabs, my filly is 15.2 or 15.3hh, all of mine are 15hh or over, apart from the youngsters, i think my one filly won't make the height i want, though she will carry my weight no probs so will have to put up with dangly legs! |
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Dot
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 12:10:59 PM
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I have always thought height restrictions on breeds a little silly. Given we know that on average humans have got taller over the last 500 years due to improving nutrition, why should the same not apply to horses.
On a personal note I like em tall as I am 5ft 8 inches tall. That said I was always surprised how close the ground was when I got of my 15.05hh Stallion as he never felt this size. His 15.3hh (6 year old) son feels like a long way to the ground when I get off. Waiting to see how his 7 month old son will shape up, should be 15.2-15.3 according to my guesstimates.
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MinHe
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 12:49:15 PM
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| Originally posted by Dot
I have always thought height restrictions on breeds a little silly. Given we know that on average humans have got taller over the last 500 years due to improving nutrition, why should the same not apply to horses.
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Actually, this isn't true Our ancestors before the industrial revolution usually had good diets (certainly more healthy than the one we eat today, less fat, less red meat, more fibre), and those who didn't have any additional health problems usually reached their genetic potential height. ironically, it was the upper classes, who ate lots of meat and hardly any fibre, fruit or vegetables, who were more inclined to suffer from restricted height due to bad diet!
However, from the 1780s on, when people were sucked into the industrial cities, good nutrition went down the pan, and physical development was also badly affected by pollution, resulting in stunted, sickly populations. Government health programmes since the 1920 have been aimed at correcting this - so while *we* may be taller than *our* grandparents, we are not necessarily taller than our grandparents grandparents, LOL!
Horses, though - or at least those breeds that have been developed from what geneticists call 'landraces' (a distinct type developed in a particular environment) - usually have evolved an optimum height that is best suited to their environmental needs, and which is part of a genetic package that goes with their particular type. So if you force an increase in size, you almost always lose the breed type too. This is just what has happened to the Connemara in America, where they are now breeding them up to 15.3h, whereas the sort of pony that would be able to survive on a West Ireland bog is only 13.2h!
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MinHe
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 12:53:46 PM
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As for Arabs, right from the time of the Blunts, there have been unusually large ones as well as small ones. My foundation mare was 15h+, her half brother (f.1981) by Marawan EAO, was 16h, yet her great-nephew - also by Marawan EAO and out of a 15h+ mare - is only 14.2h and he was fed exactly the same rations as all our other horses, so was never 'short changed'.
Some families regularly produce a particular size range (eg the Argos horses are almost always small), whereas other families can surprise you - both ways!
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Joto
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 1:01:19 PM
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| This is a very interesting thread.In fact was only discussing height with someone yesterday.I have 2 arab mares, one small, one tall. the small one has a narrow band of ancestors with one outcross and the tall one, although sharing a lot of ancestors has more than one outcross. I was hypothasising that if the small one was put to a non-arab stallion she maywell produce a tall foal as I reckon her height is less than it might be due to wht amounts to inbreeding. |
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oakways
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 1:08:56 PM
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| It truly is amazing the size these arabians of ours can reach, I remember as a child reading books about desert bred Arabians and in those old days there were strains that grew to 16h. and why not. For many years i bred anglo arabs and part breds and had some grew to 16.1 and 16.2 with parents only 15hh on both sides, they were not less typey than the strain they came from. My pure bred lad orion was measuired just yesterday he is just 2 years and 5 months and he is 15.1 and a quarter and still growing, he has not lost his type action or confirmation. Applaud the size I say, it offers the taller, heavier riders the opportunity to ride these larger strains and hopefully will encourage more people to ride these lovely creatures, for all of us who do ride them. we know how big they ride, we know that they lift us up and carry us with pride, we can sit them with ease, wedo not have to ride them forward they do that all on their own, such wonderful creatures they are. |
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Minty Arab
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 1:37:47 PM
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i definatly need a "tall" arab, im 5` 6" and have stupidly long legs! if they are below 15hh i look a bit like a thelwell cartoon!! so the taller the better.
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Louise Maryon
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 1:47:16 PM
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Interesting subject.
I ride Crystal Ora Sheen (15.3) and Sorrento (14.2)
I'm 5'9 and both feel fine to ride. Some smaller horses ride big, some bigger horses ride like ponies.
I think it's got more to do with the feeling a horse gives you when you sit down on it than than size.
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kath
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 1:51:06 PM
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| I'd quite like Gus to stop growing now - he's 14.2/3 at almost 18 months! I expected him to be 15.1hh but i think he might go bigger - his Mum was 15.1/2hh, Daddy is about 14.2 (Master Design) but i am told he throws 'em big... |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 2:24:48 PM
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Tamarillo and WFP?
Does he look underhorsed?
Main perception by others is that an Arab is too small
It is a weight carrying horse yet this is not portrayed enough. |
    
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dawn
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 2:39:43 PM
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Hi, I also have 2 arabs one tall (16hh and still not quite grown) and the other true to height at 14.3hh although he rides a lot bigger. Tha tall one Ralph (Duchy vendetta is Emotsia x Vadeer) and is very typey never mistaken for anything but an arab but it has been interesting getting use to the height difference as ralph rides huge !
Really looking forward to getting him out in the ridden ring next year and see what the judges think of him.
I must say though Joshua (smaller one) is still my favourite and is the most comfortable ride and i can get on from the ground !
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 3:29:10 PM
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My old fella El Campeador was 15.2 ,and as typey as they come,being half russian and half English!!!
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LOU
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 5:06:01 PM
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My gelding Fferzan, is half an inch of 16hh, every bit typey, proved by his results at the Nationals 2008, 2nd inhand and 1st Hoys Ridden Geldings and in 2007 Reserve Champion inhand UKIAHS and 4th in the afternoon under saddle!!
I love big ones!! Ha ha, saying that my stallion is just touching 15hh and rides as big as Fferzan as Louise said the feeling the horse gives. |
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 7:22:29 PM
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At 5ft 6in with all my height in my upper leg you'd expect me to feel underhorsed on anything under 15hh.... not so! If horse has length of rein, balanced uphill paces and is deep through the girth they feel fine, even as small as 13.2hh Sec Cs!
My part Spanish mare is only 14.3hh but rides like 16hh and can outpaces horses that size. When they lifted the limit on Max height for Sec Ds they went very tall and course for a while. Don't look for something just because it is BIG, and don't rule out something that seems small.... besides, the arab world is the worst for claiming extra inches  Some attempts to breed for height compromised on type, quality and limbs. Similarly, some of the very 'extreme' typey horses are very petite.
All about the balance and what suits your needs, and style of riding |
    
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Evie
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 8:05:39 PM
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| My girl is only 14.2 hh and I am 5 ft 9 - most of this height being gained from the length of my legs! When I see photos of me riding Tara I do think my legs look a bit long, but then I don't feel too large for her (i only weight about 9 st) and she rides bigger than she is :-) |
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Nick
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 8:21:19 PM
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Height can be decieving, Question to those who now her how tall is Satin Lady Lou can measure her and confirm it,Nearest person will get a prize
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Gemma
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 8:23:04 PM
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| My mother's gelding Silver Hussar (high % crabbet) is tall @ 15.2, and fairly substantial BUT not terribly 'typey'. |
 
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Acorn Arabians
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Posted - 27 Nov 2008 : 11:49:10 PM
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| My stallion is 16.2 and still growing. Totally in proportion, fantastic to watch him gallop so smooth.One of my se mares is 16.1. I like tall horses |
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