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Bex
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 Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 11:47:05 AM
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Anjuli- I can understand you falling in love with her!
Do you have any picture of her now?-as a 3yr old?
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Tahir
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 12:19:57 PM
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Wonderful pictures of very striking and beautiful horses. I just love to see unusual markings and am also very interested to see where they have originated from. I would presume that Tayhyesh's marking will eventually disappear when he 'whites out', or will the marking turn into a 'blood' mark or 'roaning'.
My stallion sired a filly this year (both parents grey), and she has a splash
Taj el Nil x Planeta (Mascat x Parabola)
No doubt this lovely filly will eventually go grey and 'lose' her unique marking - or will she?
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mogwai
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 12:23:25 PM
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| Great pictures. Lovely unique babies. Tahir, isn't your boy a star. He produces such smashing babies! Picasso, wow! |
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mouse
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 12:50:33 PM
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Hi Bex
It's the work of the sabino gene, it's also shown up by irregular 'high white' on the legs and white on the face that extends below the mouth.
Here's some pics of my sabino pure bred (sorry to those that have seen them before!)
As you can see, her son doesn't have her loud markings. His sire didn't have any white at all.
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alethea
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 1:07:34 PM
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Really interesting thread!
I have a sabino (i think) purebred colt foal which i bred this year. I love the sabino gene!! Is there anyway you can tell if it has come from the mum or the dad?
Alethea
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mouse
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MinHe
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 1:54:58 PM
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Bex, your boy is sabino pinto (nothing to do with being stuck in the womb, it's genetic). It is *very* common in Arabs - especially as Egbert says, in Crabbet lines - and as he IS a pinto, he may be eligible for registration with a coloured society PROVIDING they accept greys (Appaloosa socs dont...)
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Bex
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 2:12:47 PM
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Really lovely pictures- I'm glad I started this thread it's so interesting
I love your mare mouse and thank you Keren I will have to find out if he is eligible for registration with a coloured society.
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alethea
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 5:16:06 PM
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Mouse
In that case my boy definatly has the sabino gene
I've always loved loud markings, my first ever arab was a chestnut arab crabbet gelding with the high white stockings and big wide blaze. I know alot of people arent keen but im a huge fan!
Alethea
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mirage
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 5:59:57 PM
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| Hi - we had a chestnut colt this year with a small white splash on his belly and he's by Psytadel (Padrons Psyche/Bint Bey Shah) out of Hanina (Warandes Plakat/LS Diva). Do you think this came through from Padrons Psyche's crabbet line? |
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mogwai
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 6:34:31 PM
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It's funny, i never thought i liked lots of white, but all my girls have loads (except my little grey welshie). My crabbet filly carries the gene too.
Any pics Alethea
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mirage
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 6:43:10 PM
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| Hey Alethea - my first Arab was a chestnut filly with four whites and a blaze too - by Al Maurab!! |
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MinHe
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pintoarabian
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 8:27:10 PM
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Bex, as said previously, your boy will be eligible for CHAPS(UK) and BSPA registration. If he already has an AHS passport, you will only need to pay the overstamping fee which is £15. You can download a form from the site.
http://www.chapsuk.com
The fact that he will grey out doesn't matter, many other horses and ponies do too, with even more white and they retain their registration when they do. See photo below of one of our part bred fillies, Diva Plava Laguna. She is CHAPS(UK) registered. She may have more white now than your boy but by the time they are twelve, you'll never be able to tell. You have to send three photos with your registration document, one from each side and one of the face. I would advise that you register him though when the white mark is still clearly visible. You'll then be able to enter him in CHAPS(UK) qualifying classes as well as Arab classes. Can thoroughly recommend the CHAPS(UK) Championship Show for qualifiers......great show with lots of classes, including coloured Arab!
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Bex
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Posted - 20 Nov 2008 : 8:35:30 PM
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Pintoarabian, you have been very helpful, thanks very much
I will definetly be doing that I haven't had his AHS Passport yet, but hopefuly it will arrive soon.
I love your part bred fillie too- would love to visit you some time!
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Kazhak
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 03:38:19 AM
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We Bred an Arabian a long time ago that had a patch too (purebred) his full sister dosn't have a patch but she has a lot of white hairs in the same spot as his patch, we found that this patch showed up in 1 particular line of horses breeding
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alethea
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 09:55:17 AM
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I have a link going on the arabian lines links section for Aristotle Arabians. There is a pic of him on there, so when its available have a peek! I dont know how to post pics on here!! lol
Alethea
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mogwai
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 10:26:38 AM
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| Oh, i'll have a look when it's on, i bet he's lovely |
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emma
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 10:46:28 AM
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| Pintoarabian- thanks for that explanation, thats really interesting about them greying out and registration. |
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Anjuli
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Anjuli
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Germany
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 11:07:42 AM
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Pebbles again 
Some of her halfsibblings by Khartoon Khlassic, all purebred Arabians
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Have a nice day
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Bex
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 2:51:53 PM
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Wow! Wonderful photos Anjuli and wonderful horses
Thanks so much for sharing them.
Kazhak- you will have to route you pic out
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pintoarabian
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Posted - 21 Nov 2008 : 8:39:01 PM
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| Originally posted by Egbert
Several days ago I posted on the Tail Female thread the name of the Abbas Pasha acquired desert mare responsible for the parti-coloration. It comes through Mahruss but I find it particularly marked where there is Rodania, Mesaoud and Mahruss in close combination. Lady Wentworth wrote about the markings extensively in her book, THE WORLDS BEST HORSE and Abe Books have several copies available.
FWIW-Good example of the three acting horses in concert-Rodania, Mesaoud, Mahruss-in Picasso Kossack's pedigree, the three are found in *Rissalma via Popova's sire, Podsnejnik via Priboj and again through Muscat's dam, Malpia and Karta's dam Kapella who are both by Priboj who is out of *Rissalma. Also, Ptashka via Balaton was a granddaughter as well as Metropolia all by Priboj out of *Rissalma. With multiple divergent lines to Priboj/*Rissalma and the strength of the chestnut blood...is it any surprise that he had a chance to be so wonderfully marked?
By the way, there was a kingdom that bred parti-coloreds purebreds exclusively per Lady W.
Thank you, Egbert, for highlighting the lines in Picasso's pedigree that are most likely responsible for him inheriting the sabino gene. Fascinating! |
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Egbert
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Posted - 22 Nov 2008 : 2:04:38 PM
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Alan,
My pleasure. What should be understood and sadly is not-in fact one of our very first Presidents of the the AHR of the US tried to make a case that high white/parti color was a sign of impurity, a view that had Lady Wentworth rolling with laughter per Cecil Covey-is that parti-color was a huge advantage in battles/wars, etc., and was specifically bred for it's camouflage properties! Such coloration in the desert allowed the horses to blend in and made ambush that much easier!
IMHO it is one of the reasons that you will so frequently find nearly flawless conformation associated with the parti-colored horses. As we all have found sooner than later with our horses-color is frequently associated with specific traits. And parti-color so often seems to give tremendous conformation as well as terrific athletic ability. And the icing with the association of Mahruss is intelligence.
The high white is usually erased with the addition of certain Egyptian, Polish and Spanish lines that contain no Crabbet lines but am not so certain that is to the benefit of the resulting individual.
These wonderfully colored horses are to be cherished. |
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