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Fahren
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  12:17:37 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Fahren to your friends list Send Fahren a Private Message
So, i have been offered a pure bred arab, 9 yrs old roan but unbacked.
As he is a gelding i worry a little as to why he is not backed.
He apparently has done a lot of inhand, so is this a more frequent thing with arabs?
I have a purebred already who is very quirky and due to that, this dealer has offered him to me very cheaply.
(Maybe a bit too cheaply) but says he is fine.
Gut instinct is telling me to walk away, but heart is telling me to go and see him.
What would you do?
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helena
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  02:31:28 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add helena to your friends list Send helena a Private Message
I would go and see him.
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Bex
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  06:58:07 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bex to your friends list Send Bex a Private Message
I would go and see him too, no harm in that
I think you wont be able to put your mind at rest till you have been to see him!
Bex

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precious
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  08:06:54 AM  Show Profile  Click to see precious's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add precious to your friends list Send precious a Private Message
I wud go and see him, my friend has just broken a 8year old horse and he was golden and after 2 weeks walk trot and canter nicely.
Go with your heart and go and see him.


Gemma Thompson
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s.jade
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  08:14:53 AM  Show Profile  Send s.jade an AOL message  Click to see s.jade's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add s.jade to your friends list Send s.jade a Private Message
Go and see him.
My mare has been an inhand horse her whole life, and I backed her at 9 - she now does a bit of everything including showjumping and is fab!

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Kash
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  08:16:51 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kash to your friends list Send Kash a Private Message
It can't harm to just go and see him.

My mare has done a lot of inhand and was backed this year at 8 years old. She's been a superstar throughout.

Good luck

Lauren.

 
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LOU
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  08:21:56 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add LOU to your friends list Send LOU a Private Message
Hi,

I would go and see him, im just starting to back a mare that is a huge winner in hand and she is 11 and must say taking to it like a duck to the water!!

Go have a look go on go on go on go on!!!

Lou

Edited by - LOU on 06 Nov 2008 5:03:33 PM
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Pauline
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  08:49:43 AM  Show Profile  Visit Pauline's Homepage  Click to see Pauline's MSN Messenger address  Send Pauline a Yahoo! Message Bookmark this reply Add Pauline to your friends list Send Pauline a Private Message
You are being offered this chap (All be it cheap)so go and see him.

A horse that has done a lot of inhand work will be well mannered.


Go and see him, at least if you have him ,that is one less being passed around from piller to post.

Pauline


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vjc
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  08:53:07 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vjc to your friends list Send vjc a Private Message
lots of people break horses later in life for a number of reasons... especially after showing or breeding off them, i would say go and see him with an open mind. Verena.

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pat ww
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  09:36:00 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
Like you I would be on my guard at a 9 year old gelding not broken. If his history is genuine, he should be no different than a mare, many are not broken as 'we' intend to breed but then never do! Its only if someone has messed with him in the past that you will need to be wary, or if he has a physical problem eg with his back.

We have just backed a 13 year old welsh brood mare, her reactions say she's never had it done before, but someone has messed with her mouth, she knows what a bit is and hates it going in, but doesn't know what it is for when its there. She has been an angel so far, as she TRUSTS us. I am using a soft bendy rubber bit, and it can't hurt her mouth so she's got better in about half a dozen times. she was even wary of being caught when we got her, now she follows you round.

Go have a look, you can walk away.

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precious
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  09:40:15 AM  Show Profile  Click to see precious's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add precious to your friends list Send precious a Private Message
maybe if you have got a back person that is close to you that you could take with you as just have a little feel if the people wont mind. At least that might put your mind at rest that it was a reason.
Do you know the horses owners currently?


Gemma Thompson
Birmingham West Midlands
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angel2002
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  09:51:10 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angel2002 to your friends list Send angel2002 a Private Message
I would be suspicious as I have never seen a Roan pure bred arab? Does he have AHS registration papers?

I would go to see him but keep an open mind and don't let your heart rule your head. I know it sounds really harsh but with the economy as it is, it costs as much to keep a bad horse as a good one.....Can you afford to buy and keep another that is maybe not 100% safe or sound. Perhaps if you like him the dealer will let you have him on a two week trial? You should see his true colours within that time scale.

Good luck and please let us know how you got on.


Angel
Passion Arabians
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Fahren
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Wales
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  10:44:25 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Fahren to your friends list Send Fahren a Private Message
Originally posted by angel2002

I would be suspicious as I have never seen a Roan pure bred arab? Does he have AHS registration papers?

I would go to see him but keep an open mind and don't let your heart rule your head. I know it sounds really harsh but with the economy as it is, it costs as much to keep a bad horse as a good one.....Can you afford to buy and keep another that is maybe not 100% safe or sound. Perhaps if you like him the dealer will let you have him on a two week trial? You should see his true colours within that time scale.

Good luck and please let us know how you got on.




Sorry if this sounds stupid, but if his passport is the AHS navy blue one, does that mean he is a pure bred?
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emma
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  11:04:51 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add emma to your friends list Send emma a Private Message
The AHS navy passports are issued to pure, part and pure breds but will say inside which stud book the horse is registered in.

I would imagine if he is described as roan he is infact a grey. Many grey horses start off as chesnut/ bay etc when foals then spend years going grey, those that start off chestnut often go through a stage when they look like a strawberry roan while going grey.


Emma
Fulmer House Arabians
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rhoni
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  11:17:24 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rhoni to your friends list Send rhoni a Private Message
He could well be chestnut with the rabicano gene that expresses itself as roaning - if it's quite pronounced the horse can look roan even though Arabs don't come in "proper" roan. My chestnut purebred mares all have rabicano roaning to some extent.
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Fahren
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  11:22:55 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Fahren to your friends list Send Fahren a Private Message
Originally posted by emma

The AHS navy passports are issued to pure, part and pure breds but will say inside which stud book the horse is registered in.

I would imagine if he is described as roan he is infact a grey. Many grey horses start off as chesnut/ bay etc when foals then spend years going grey, those that start off chestnut often go through a stage when they look like a strawberry roan while going grey.




Right, so would it say if he is not a pure bred?
fahrens just says AHSBv20 which means nothing to me, so if i'm looking at another passport, that won't mean anything either
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rhoni
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  11:31:23 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rhoni to your friends list Send rhoni a Private Message
If it's the same unbacked 9 year old advertised on the geldings page on this site as chestnut/grey, he's definitely purebred and Straight Egyptian to boot!
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jackie k
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  11:32:06 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jackie k to your friends list Send jackie k a Private Message
Hi
We bought our lovely mare Patenta off a dealer and she has never let us down yet and she came with papers.

I have a horse who is nearly 10 and she is not ridden or backed as she was shown in hand then became a brood mare. Also I have mares who I didnt put in foal until they were older - I wouldn't let his age and not being backed put you off,but I think you must see his paperwork as you can check up then what shows he has done.

If you want to pm me and tell me who the dealer is, I will let you know if it is the same one...

Good luck - looking can do no harm, you can only bring him home lol

Jackie
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jackie k
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  11:36:56 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jackie k to your friends list Send jackie k a Private Message
Just following on from your post Fahren.

AHSB = Arab Horse Stud Book and the volume number

PBAR = Part Bred Arab Register and the volume number

AASB = Anglo Arab Stud Book and the volume number

Someone correct me if I am wrong please

Jackie
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emma
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  11:48:23 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add emma to your friends list Send emma a Private Message
Jackie is right regarding the stud books!

I got my mare when she was 9, only ever been ridden in a headcollar and rope, never bred, not shown but was read the bible and sung to, anyway she went on to represent the riding club in jumping, was reserve BNC in her first year of showing aged 15yrs and won all her classes at C shows! So dont be put off by the age.

If he has been shown in hand it is possible he has been travelled, clipped, stayed away from home and probably done some kinds of groundwork (lunging, loose schooling etc) in order to condition for the show ring.

Emma
Fulmer House Arabians
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  2:01:29 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barbara.gregory to your friends list Send barbara.gregory a Private Message
You could ask to see his papers and then you would know who the breeder was; they may be able to give lots of info. I keep in touch with the owners who have my horses so know all about them.

Good luck.

Barbara

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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  2:05:52 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add barbara.gregory to your friends list Send barbara.gregory a Private Message
If he is the gelding on here I know the person who owned Rameses Ciba (sadly now deceased) and I have a daughter of hers. If it is that gelding I can give you some info. As Rhoni says, he is straight Egyptian with very nice bloodlines.

Regards

Barbara

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fidodido
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  2:53:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fidodido to your friends list Send fidodido a Private Message
I'd go and see him. If he is the one advertised on here I don't believe you will have problems he is a very nice horse and would be ideal for ridden.(His previous owner used to show my mare).
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angel2002
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Posted - 06 Nov 2008 :  3:13:57 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angel2002 to your friends list Send angel2002 a Private Message
The questions I would like to ask are - If he is the gelding on here how did a dealer get hold of him? And why is he selling him so cheap?

Angel
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