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Nicki
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 5:39:01 PM
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Hi, can you help me with two colour questions.
Firstly we all (inc his breeder) thought my boy would be grey but white grey if you know what I mean.
As a foal he got more and more chestnut and we thought we'd all got it wrong.
The he changed to a very palomino coloured mane and tail, and to a sort of dun body with distinct dapples on it.
You've always been able to clearly see white socks and white blaze. I thought this summer he would go much whiter, but although there are a lot of white hairs he is very much what I would call strawberry roan with dapples, with the white socks and blaze, and palomino mane and tail. He is very odd coloured. Will he go white in the end ? He is now 3.
My other greys/whites were either white early, or were greys with the steel grey points, one of which has now acquired lots of the red spots.
Second Question - Pure Bred Arabs don't come in the palomino colouring (as far as I know). How much percentage Arab can you get and get the colouring. Does anyone know of many part bred palominos with high percentage Arab? Is it possible to get a very Arab-y looking palomino, as oppose to a part bred looking (they always look much more like small TB's to me) ?
Thank you
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ella
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 6:18:46 PM
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Is he the 5th one along in your signature? If so he looks to be turning grey to me, just slowly. V pretty colour! |
   
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Holly
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 7:42:51 PM
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I tried to breed a really araby looking foal from my pure bred mare this year but she didn't get in foal . So i will be trying again in the spring. my chosen stallion was the cremello stallion 'Legend Alpine Mist' who is only 54% arab but looks and moves very araby, he's gorgeous.
My mare has a very dished face, big eyes, lovely temperament and big movement so im hoping to produce a real beauty for myself. |
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Miska
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 8:12:01 PM
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I'm afraid I don't know anything about horse colouring. Do you have a pic?
Miska's half-brother is 95% arab and he is palomino. Beautiful colour with a sandy coloured body and pure white mane and tail. He is called: Sundancers Legacy of Asil and he is at Bramins Stud (they have a website if you're interested - just type in google) |
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Nicki
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 8:47:21 PM
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Ooh Miska, Sundancers L of A is beautiful ! really lovely. very high percentage arab, so one assumes you could use him to breed another palomino and put him to a pure bred mare ? but not sure what colour the mare would need to be ? or if it would need to be another part bred that carried the palomino gene?
All - yes the odd coloured boy is the one who is 5th on the sig pics. He does look like he has a lot more white hair on the picture. But that was taken last spring and he didnt change colour at all over the summer, and I think he has gone darker now (winter coat time). In some ways I was hoping he would go white, in other ways I quite like him as he is (sort of mud coloured ! but unusual.
Sorry about your mare Holly, one of my mares didnt get in foal year before last and I was so disappointed. We started early with her this year and she took straight away so now we have a really early foal ! So when your mare does take, and she is 100% and stallion is 54% - what % does that make your baby ? also, is the colour still a gamble ? I cant seem to find Legend Alpine Mist - do you have a piccie? |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 27 Oct 2008 : 9:45:53 PM
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Hi Nicki ,
To work out the percentage of a resuling foal you half both of the parent`s Arab percentage & then add the 2 together which is 50% + 27% = 77% 
OMG i sound like Carol Vorderman !  ha ha
I found a pic of Legend Alpine Mist who is half brother to one of my Pallys !
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Miska
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MinHe
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 08:58:42 AM
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You can have any percentage of Arab and get a palomino foal providing one parent is chestnut and the other either palomino or cremello. It's the colours that matter, not the breeding
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shanaz
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 10:01:52 AM
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| I own Legend Moon Monarch who is 66% arab and he is palomino! |
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Holly
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 1:39:17 PM
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If you type 'horse colour genetics' in to google you will get lots of websites explaining what colour the parents need to be to produce a particular coloured foal.
My mare has got a 53% chance of having a palomino, 40% chance of a dun and a 7% chance of a smoky black!
I really want a palomino but I will be happy with any of those colours and they are the only colours that she will produce when put to a cremello stallion.
You will def get a palomino if you put a chestnut to a cremello.
If you put a palomino to a palomino you could get either a palomino, cremello or a chestnut.
its a bit of a gamble and good luck
Hope that helps
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sarahlock
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 3:18:03 PM
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The mother of Shanaz`s gelding & my mare is a bay Arab (bay sire chestnut dam)& all her foals by 3 different cremello stallions have been Palomino except one which was dark Dun !
2 of her Pally daughters who are full sisters to my mare had Cremello foals by Shulay Faberge (Palomino) & mine had a Pally filly by Colebridge Silver Phantom (Cremello)
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Nicki
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 5:56:35 PM
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Your sig pics show you seemto have a whole herd of Palominos? or are they the same in different lights?
Thank you to everyone for replies - lots of palomino's and cremellos to look up on the internet now !
Thank you for all piccies too.
I have a chestnut mare ..... |
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Cryapakah
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 9:40:53 PM
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This is Kahan Spirit Of Sundancer hes the full brother to Sundancers Legacy Of Asil. Their mom was a Palomino and thier dad was a chestnut, so you would need a chestnut to a palomino or cremello!
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sarahlock
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Posted - 28 Oct 2008 : 10:20:02 PM
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Hi Nicki ,
I only have 2 Pallys who are mother & daughter , the 5th & 6th sig pics are of Legend Moon Fantasy & the 1st, 3rd & 4th pics are of her daughter Goldhaze Fantazia
ps i do also have a 3rd Pally , a 13.2hh homebred gelding who is 26yrs old & is loaned out to a friend! |
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- I also know the person who has his full brother though he is chestnut. I think you have to have a chestnut mare to have a chance of breeding a palomino. I am sure there is a thread on it somewhere on this forum.