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Judith S
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  8:28:24 PM  Show Profile  Visit Judith S's Homepage Bookmark this topic Add Judith S to your friends list Send Judith S a Private Message
Have noticed recently that Charlie has a good Head Wring (to the left) - VERY pronounced & he does it lots! He is 4 1/2 months old & has VERY STRONG ideas about things - even at his age!!! (orphan foal thing???). Is this young to do this - or have others experienced their youngsters doing "it"? Should I be worried??? His sister Ruby doesn't do this.

Judith


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Roseanne
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  8:49:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roseanne to your friends list Send Roseanne a Private Message
Not sure Judith but all my Arabs do this. I asked Linda Hannaford (who I bought my first purebred from when I 'returned' to riding) why Ahmouna did this and she said "Because she's an Arab". I think - hope - it's just that.

I find the stallion seems to do this more than the geldings, though they do it very nicely too!!

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firstlady
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  8:58:21 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add firstlady to your friends list Send firstlady a Private Message
Hi Judith
not sure about in bambino's
but Ria does it often (even when riding) and especially when she's feeling well
Lady (anglo) has never done this so must be a pure bred thing
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  9:44:37 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mrs Vlacq to your friends list Send Mrs Vlacq a Private Message
It's in his genes!!! Certain families of ours do it, more so once weaned and starting training but as Charlie is so 'confident' he's just starting early
Chloe's filly does it to the left too... usually when trotting her out in hand and you get to the turn



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Tahir
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  10:14:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tahir to your friends list Send Tahir a Private Message
Definitely a confidence thingy Some of our babies started doing it when very young. They soon stop when discouraged by voice (when in hand), they then only display this trait when loose in the field

Carla, xx.

Edited by - Tahir on 15 Oct 2008 10:14:55 PM
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kate b
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  10:17:49 PM  Show Profile  Send kate b an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add kate b to your friends list Send kate b a Private Message
My gelding does it while showing off his fab trotting skills to the other horses in the field. My filly has now started to copy him!


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polly
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  10:26:53 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add polly to your friends list Send polly a Private Message
Telstaar used to do it a lot when he saw me handle any other horse, we were never in ANY doubt about how he was feeling ! Merlot does it a lot ...Dug does it very little..Tallimah used to do it so strongly she would trip herself up!.....just being demonstrative....


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madmare
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Posted - 15 Oct 2008 :  11:55:04 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add madmare to your friends list
Crystal does when she is trying to get her own way!!!!

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Honeyb060674
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  06:48:46 AM  Show Profile  Send Honeyb060674 an AOL message Bookmark this reply Add Honeyb060674 to your friends list Send Honeyb060674 a Private Message
Honey does it when shes excited & they are playing in the field I was delighted to spot her new fieldmate Tilly, cantering across the field on Sunday twirling her head in glee as she spotted Honey out for a stroll. She part bred (poss with welsh?) but I enjoyed pointing out to her young owner "That's the arab in her" she was chuffed to bits


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mogwai
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  07:31:20 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mogwai to your friends list Send mogwai a Private Message
Ruby does it, and has done since i have had her (i got her when she was 18 months). When i mentioned it to her breeder in passing, she said her mother does it too (along with getting her tail caught up her bum ). Bless her
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mouse
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  08:31:36 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mouse to your friends list Send mouse a Private Message
My part bred foal is very confident and he has been head wringing from a very early age. It started to rain yesterday and he was wringing his head over and over again in disgust!



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Jessica
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  08:35:54 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jessica to your friends list Send Jessica a Private Message
Sorry for the daft question...but whats head wringing? Is it a big swoopy head movement?? Like a big circle?

Does that make sense?

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polly
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  09:19:15 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add polly to your friends list Send polly a Private Message
it a big "figure of 8" or a big wide swoop from the neck, some roll their eyes at the same time, can be quite dramatic.!


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Jessica
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  09:36:04 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jessica to your friends list Send Jessica a Private Message
So. Head at 6 o'clock. Big swoop of the head and ending back at 6 o'clock.

If so then my lad does this!!! He does it when happy, excited, agitated, wants his feed etc

Always thought it was just him!

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peg
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  09:40:02 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add peg to your friends list Send peg a Private Message
Both of ours do it, and to our amusement our big 16.3 lump of a warmblood (Kevin) has recently started to copy them
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pat ww
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  09:52:01 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
Our stallion used to, out on hacks on a loose rein when he was bored! often accompanied by a long yawn.
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SEZ
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  10:03:53 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SEZ to your friends list Send SEZ a Private Message
Could he be teething?
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mazey
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  12:15:13 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mazey to your friends list Send mazey a Private Message
My 3 year old gelding does it too, copied from his mother who used to do it when gfrustrated e.g. at the gate when she wanted to get out. It seems to be learnt behaviour but becomes habit. I was worried when my youngster started to do it (after weaning) and spoke to the vets at Bristol University, who described it as "stereotypical behaviour" - behaviour which seems to have no obvious purpose but becomes habitual. Weaving is another one - although there is a theory that this releases endorphins in the brain and the horse benefits from the behaviour.

I'm surprised at how many horses on here do it, my only concern is that the horse will carry on doing it when he is backed and this could be problematic.

Interestingly, my boy is also very confident - I'm not sure why people are linking this behaviour to confidence. Mine seems to do it maianly when he is frustrated, but sometimes just when being led out, with no particular reason.

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mouse
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  12:47:43 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mouse to your friends list Send mouse a Private Message
Originally posted by pat ww

Our stallion used to, out on hacks on a loose rein when he was bored! often accompanied by a long yawn.


Have you ever ended up with both reins on one side of the neck? Has happened to me a couple of times while relaxing on a hack



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Fahren
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  12:52:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Fahren to your friends list Send Fahren a Private Message
Fahren does this, more so when he is impatient or tired, especially on a big hack.
It's quite annoying when your hands are cold (even with gloves on) and the reins are whipped out of your hands!!
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baxter
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  1:39:35 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add baxter to your friends list Send baxter a Private Message
I have a 3 yearf old and a 9 year old both as bad as each other, both spotted doing it, in the field and in the stable and whilst tied up however never done in hand or under saddle.
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rosyw
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  1:43:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rosyw to your friends list Send rosyw a Private Message
My SE mare does it - a lot! and our 2 pb's do it, always have
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tamila
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  1:44:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tamila to your friends list Send tamila a Private Message
All my arabs have done this and strangely enough Rimmy was the worst and he is an orphan.

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ali bali
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  3:08:20 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ali bali to your friends list Send ali bali a Private Message
Ah ha! Thanks Judith, being a complete novice to arabs I didn't know there was a name for this or it was an arab trait. My yearling started this when he was about 10 months. Only does it in the field when he is larking around or in hand when he is considering getting up to mischief! It didn't concern me as I just took it as a sign of him feeling good about himself.

I dont think its a learned trait as I got him at 6 months old last November and all throught the winter he never did it so I don't think he learned it before he can to me. And he certainly wouldn't have learned it from his field companion a 23 year old retired clydesdale x who considers such frippery as a waste of good grazing time!
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mouse
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  3:31:22 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mouse to your friends list Send mouse a Private Message
Is head wringing the same as the expression 'drinking the wind'



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angelarab
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Posted - 16 Oct 2008 :  3:39:43 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angelarab to your friends list Send angelarab a Private Message
baz does it sometimes in the field i call it his tourette's head now i know what it's proper term is

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