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oddellie
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 Posted - 09 Oct 2008 : 10:07:18 PM
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ive breed a crabbet foal this year his dam is african kismet and his sire is prince santros, i would like to keep him as a stallion if he is ok.Never kept a stallion before, i rent my own yard with 11 stables and 18 arces,some of my friends are trying to put me off the idea,i dont want to sell him as i breed to keep.Would it be sin to have him gelded because of his breeding.want do i do?
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Suelin
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England
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Posted - 10 Oct 2008 : 04:11:22 AM
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| If it were me I would say that I had the knitting pattern (Mum and Dad) so I could do it again if I wanted. How many others are there with similar breeding? Also how many do you mean to keep? Let's face it, you'd need a mammoth bank balance to keep them all. If you only breed occasionally that would seem unfair to me to keep the chap entire if he wasn't having regular mares. (I know that people do without problems, but it would concern me) The fact that you haven't had a stallion before shouldn't preclude you, after all everyone has to begin somewhere however do you have any knowledge of handling a stallion at all and what back up do you have for bringing one up. To do it right is a great skill and not to be undertaken lightly. I think also that you need to look at the statistics for Arabs in the UK. It doesn't take a mathematician to see that many good horses get no mares to cover. Personally if it were me I would geld him. I think he would probably be a happier chap in the long term. Good luck with whatever you decide. |
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Deboniks
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England
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Posted - 10 Oct 2008 : 4:26:38 PM
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Hi I have a Crabbet colt to
He is going to be kept entire and is my first stallion.He is very good and so far, no different to my gelding.
He is the only experience I have with a stallion,so I can't advise you on stallions, because I have none! But we all have to start somewhere
The main thing is you and your horse are both happy,regardless of bloodlines.
There are as few as 30 entire Crabbet colts/stallions left in the UK.
This was one of the reasons for us buying our colt so he could be kept entire (there were also many other reasons!).
It has to be a personal choice, do what is best for you and your colt.Be happy and have fun
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Oct 2008 : 7:04:19 PM
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Its not just a question of his bloodlines, I have a Crabbet mare so I do like them, but whether he has sufficinet QUALITY to be kept entire, assuming he has a wonderful temperament - a MUST - and you make your facilities so that he has all day turnout all year.
Some 'rare' bloodlines are so for a reason, that they don't cut the mustard in Arabian type, or have the soundness or conformation to become riding horses. This does not only apply to Arabs, but all breeds.
My Crabbet mare has only had two foals, both colts, and not to Crabbet stallions. The first would be an asset to any breeding program to improve any breed, but has his dam's unfashionably straighter head. As his life elsewhere as a stallion is more likely than not to involve very little turnout, no contact with other horses, and a life of cooped up boredon he will be sold to become someone's ridden gelding, his conformation for which is very promising.
Sentimentality should never come into the equation. He has to have the chance of the life of a normal horse, AND be worthy of passing his genes on. If both are right, congratulations, another Crabbet to add to preservation breeders choice. |
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weirton
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Posted - 11 Oct 2008 : 09:09:42 AM
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I endorse everything that Pat says but there is a possible compromise.
Why don't you give the colt the best of both worlds (and yourself a hassle-free time ) by collecting his semen, freezing it, if possible, (not all semen freezes successfully) and then gelding him. Too many stallions have a miserable life and cover very few mares. Gloria Ayub has done this with Dreamcatcher and he has gone on to have a wonderful ridden career and it allows him a greater freedom with his pals in the field. He was 5th at HOYS on friday. Gloria would not have been in a position to give him his great life if she hadn't gone down this route.
He also enjoyed being the only gelding in the parade of stallions at stud at the Wessex spring show earlier this year.
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oddellie
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England
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Posted - 13 Oct 2008 : 5:05:08 PM
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 thanks for your advice,i think i will see what his temperment is like.As he his only 5 months at the moment |
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lady tee
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Oct 2008 : 6:36:46 PM
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| Hi Ang, i know you will do the right thing for your little boy , i know how much you love and adore him. Good luck Speak soon ..... |
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NatH
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England
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Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 09:47:28 AM
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I think 'time will tell'.
There is nothing wrong with you keeping a colt, providing you have all the facilities to give him a good 'life'.
Play it by ear, I'm sure you'll make the right decision |
Natalie
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 2:41:15 PM
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I agree with what the others have said. However, if he of stallion qulity (and you have to be honest about it and not view him with rose coloured spectacles) could you sell him entire if you don't have the facilities to keep him properly? So many stallions have such a miserable life with little or no turnout. Even if you sell him to a good home there is no guarantee that he will stay there for the rest of his life. A lot to think about.
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zaminda1
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Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 3:14:38 PM
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| On the subject of stallions, I have come across a fair number who are fine, and turned out with mares when they are not in season. If he passes all the confirmation, movement ideals you would like to see passed on, it might not be a bad idea to keep him entire and see how he goes. If he is not suitable temprament wise you can always geld, but you can't put them back on! As you have your own place it is much easier. I know someone who only had to geld her perfect stallion because none of the yards round her would take a stallion, even though he was the best behaved horse of any description I have come across. Don't do anything in a hurry! |
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oddellie
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England
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Posted - 14 Oct 2008 : 9:33:29 PM
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| will think about it very carefully,will have to try and talk to my OH about buying some land ha ha |
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