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polly
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 Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 8:08:59 PM
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I woman at work has a mare who has a stomach ulcer . She is on (V.expensive )drugs for it for the next month.I suggested natural yogurt ......
I wondered if anyone had any experience or advise to share ?
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 18 Sep 2008 : 8:28:19 PM
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| I would imagine she is on gastroguard, it is hideously expensive. One of my mares suffered from this a couple of years ago. To be honest it is the best stuff. I would suggest the mare has bland food as well to help get over it. Also minimal excitement, this is what usually brings it on. |
     
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BeckyBoodle
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 07:05:39 AM
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If the mare has any nettles in her grazing this can help settle the stomach. Did you know apparently a recent study of 180 performance horses showed 97% of them had ulcers and over 60% had the condition chronically.
~Generally, most of the causes of the condition are put down to stress from work, lifestyle and feeding, so where possible the horse should be allowed to be a horse and lead as natural a lifestyle as is feasible in the situation allowed.
I used to do shiatsu on a horse with ulcers which I believe have now cleared up - massage certainly helped and she has moved home to a much more relaxed yard and an owner that matches her.
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shah
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 08:49:32 AM
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| She might want to try aloe vera, great stuff for anything gastro related. |
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shanaz
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 10:48:24 AM
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| Our new pony was recently diagnosed with gastric ulcers after windsucking gave him a bout of colic. It was apparently bought on by the stress of moving and settling into a new yard. Rather than give the expensive treatment, they prescribed a cheaper alternative called rennitadine(sp), it is what people would use but has been tried and tested on horses with good results. I was told gastroguard costs around £40 per day to treat a horse. Rennitadine cost me £14 for about 2-3weeks treatment. Our pony is fine now! |
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Goldenmane
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 4:17:16 PM
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| Recently had a vet diagnose natural yoghurt for an upset stomach in a dog, I swear by it, but not sure for horses as they are vegetarians?? |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 19 Sep 2008 : 9:38:27 PM
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A good friend of mine had a filly bred as a show hunter. It was fed concentrates from very early on as many TBs are to hasten her developpment. The filly ended up colicking whenever anything remotely stressful happened - even changing fields - and spent much of her time windsucking which seemed to be some desperate attempt to relieve the pain of the ulcers. She was finally PTS aged three when it was clear the damage to her gut was going to result in constant pain and anguish. My friend's final opinion was that too much 'intervention' feeding and too little natural behaviour and growth had precipitated the ulcers and it led to her death before she had even started. She was on endless Gastroguard and also probiotics as powders which had to be fed in chaff as she couldn't have any feeds without colic ensuing.
The problem with ulcers is the scarring in the gut - it can cause continuing difficulty. I hope this horse recovers well. It's a worry none of us would want. |
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Zan
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Posted - 20 Sep 2008 : 08:45:55 AM
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| As Roseanne says, stomach ulcers in horses are serious. I would always be guided by my vet for treatment, no matter how expensive. |
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ella
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Posted - 20 Sep 2008 : 11:33:36 PM
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She musn't give anything else at the same time as Gastroguard unless told OK by the vet as other treatments can stop it working. This is why if you're also using prescribed antacids there has to be a gap of at least 1 hour between.
If money runs out ranitidine, which has a similar but lesser action to reduce acid production, can be purchased in human strength form without prescription, or in higher strengths with a prescription from the vet, though it is a grey area whether it is legal for vet to supply a prescription for an unlicenced product when a licenced product (Gastroguard) exists. |
   
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phoenixbruka
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pat ww
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 8:30:05 PM
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Arn't stomache ulcers also caused by going for long periods without food? A horses gut is designed to have food passing through it continually, and I have seen somewehre that there is a higher incidience when horses are stabled and rationed.
Any related stress would not be helped by standing for hours with an empty haynet, pulling away at some food keeps them busy. My lot are out 24 /7 and have small hole haylage nets to keep them occupied. I have even given a supplemetnary net of oat straw so the fatties are kept busy after tehir haylage has gone, and so far no problems.
if you look up the active ingredients in milligrams between an expensive product and a cheaper alternative you should be able to work out a correct dose for a substitute.
hence people use pig regumate and cattle wormers, same product expensively packaged for equines and the right price for commercial stock. |
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 8:32:40 PM
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The biggest culprit is too much hard feed and not enough roughage, that's why so many race horses have them 
Mollassed feeds are also a factor which arn't good for the stomach 
Stress certainly doesn't help |
   
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polly
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 7:44:10 PM
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| Thanks guys ...I will don my diplomatic hat and pass on the advise...I don't know how knowlagable this owner is, or isn'nt. She certainly has had a lot of illness/accident in the last year so it may well be related to the box rest. Glad all ours live out 98% time. eat ...walk...sleep ...24/7 |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Sep 2008 : 10:37:27 AM
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I've also had a minor problem with one horse,which suffered five bouts? of colic in five weeks, I also think they need to get there teeth well checked as any extra acid can have an effect,long periods without food should be avoided, get the diet looked at/changed and the horse eating slower and for longer,I added a little bran to the diet and probiotics and not leaving them without food. Thats just my findings and not anyone elses....
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Delyth
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Posted - 28 Sep 2008 : 8:42:57 PM
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When I had one on Gastro-guard I managed to get a friend to ship it from the States - a third the price !! The US vet who did the prescription for me then advised a supplement called U-Gard made by Equine America. It too was excellent and soooo much cheaper  |
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