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annas
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 Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 8:46:18 PM
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Can anyone advise as to whether in their experience it is worth pursuing with Lucie nuts if your horse hasn't touched the first two days feed. He would normally take your hand off for anything.....
If not, can anyone advise a really good feeding system for a 3yr old arab, in fair condition but requires a feed in addition to grazing. He jut isn't 'blooming'.
Many thanks
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Pauline
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England
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annas
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 9:46:23 PM
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| Thanks Pauline. He has been on Saracen but he just doesn't sparkle! |
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Pixie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 9:57:38 PM
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| I too found the people at Baileys - Elizabeth Bush I think - really really helpful. |
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arabic
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 10:28:09 PM
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We didnt get on with SS but I persevered and wish I hadnt. Dont really know what else to say. Lots get on really well with it but we ended up with the vet and changing feeds. I think I remember the luciebix being more palatable so perhaps you could try them if you really want success with it. I kept the same principle of feeding but use dried grass nuts instead of alfalfa. If you want something similar to Total Eclipse, Equus Health winter shine and summer glow is good.
Hope you find something that works and your horse enjoys
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annas
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Aug 2008 : 10:39:14 PM
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| Thanks Sandie, speaking to them at SS it sounds great but seeing peoples comments when I searched for info they are mostly the same experiences as yours.... |
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leezee26
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England
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 09:16:13 AM
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| I use SS and get on very well with it. I would perservere as it can be a shock to them if they have been used to sugars etc it will take time. I have had horses come in here and they have taken instantly and others have taken several weeks to eat it without me adding something they used to eat. In the long run I have horses with beautiful shining coats and excellent condition, who are calm too. Good luck! Leighx |
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Suelin
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England
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 09:46:25 AM
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| I haven't used this feed but a friend had a livery that was on it. The horse concerned was usually a very sunny character when she had the horse staying with her previously, however it was very grumpy the second time it came to stay. My friend put this down to the feed and was quite sure that the horse was hungry all the time. The feed was changed for a good all round mix and the change in the horse was startling, very sweet and sunny again. This could be just that horse of course but that is my only experience of this feed. Just my ten pen'th |
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annas
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United Kingdom
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angelarab
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Wales
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 10:25:08 AM
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| Do give the other feed people a ring, Baileys came out to our yard (Caroline, brill fun)and did a one to one with each horse and owner very good learned loads |
 "Until one has loved an animal, part of their soul remains unawakened."
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Kizzys Mum
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England
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 10:44:32 AM
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I posted on your other thread re SS and basically had no luck with it.
Mine are both on speedibeet graze on and equivit ( incl 3yr old arab on lami paddock due to her companion) |
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shah
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 12:06:43 PM
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Just a note to say that for some it's very good. I used it for over two years and Shah was level headed and always in good condition on it. He loved it (he's not a fussy eater though.....) and since then he has much prefered a wet dinner rather than a dry one.
I switched from SS but only because I found that alfalfa could make my horse's condition worse, not becuase it wasn't a good feeding system. If I could have stayed on it I would have and I would always rate it highly and thoroughly recommend it.
Argree with arabic, try the LucieBix, they tend to be more palatable. You might also want to try and add a bit of mint or something else they really like, like chopped carrots or apples to see if that helps. |
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Offira
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England
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 12:30:23 PM
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What you are saying about alfalfa is interesting Shah, one of mine is dropping weight when he previously remained very steady. I put it down to the ageing process, but now I think about it, it coincides with when I started to feed him soaked alfalfa pellets. I'm going to leave out the alfalfa to see if it makes a difference - so very useful comment, thanks 
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Diane Latham
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 1:52:25 PM
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Hi Anna
I highly recommend Total Primero. I don't (and wouldn't now)feed anything else. All my horses including 2 x two year old Welsh Cobs (who have been on it since I bought them as yearlings) are on it. All the horses do well on it and I haven't known a single horse that wouldn't eat it. They love it and never leave any!
Judith Stirling will be happy, I am sure (once she is settled into her new home!) to give you all the info you need. She has been using it for about 8 years. I have had my horses on it since November 2006.
Here is the web site. Primero Equine. http://www.primeroequine.com/index.htm
Hope that helps.
Di
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Cate
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Scotland
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Posted - 22 Aug 2008 : 2:54:01 PM
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| Must second what Diane Latham has said about Primero total. Superb and the horses love it. |
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Danielle
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Wales
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Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 12:07:02 PM
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I have used Simple Systems in the past and won't use them again.
My Welsh pony got very footy on it and had the first signs of Lami, one of my Arabs did well on it but he would do well on fresh air!
My other Arab gelding did not do well on it and lost alot of weight and was very unhappy to the point that I got extremely worried about him, I had the Vet out who told me to take him off the SS feed asap, I then gave him Allen and Paige Calm and Condition and he put all the weight back on and was the happy horse he used to be, last winter we had some Copra Meal and he adored that and was so so so shiny and happy on it, I will be getting more for him for this winter.
I was quite alarmed at the amounts that SS told me you can feed of their feeds, I would never give a horse a full bucket of feed to munch though but then if they don't get enough of it they don't get all the nutrients etc and lose weight, I won't go back to it at all.
However I did like their Instant Linseed I would buy that again but their delivery prices are shocking so I won't be. |
   
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Scotland
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Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 1:10:16 PM
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| I like the sound of Primero Total, where in Scotland can I try if first before having to order a large quantity? |
The Soul would have no Rainbow....If the Eyes had shed no Tears. |
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arabic
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 3:06:46 PM
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Hi Jayne,
They have a website and will send you a sample as well as tell you your nearest contact. Unfortunately I'm not in their loop and I find ordering in bulk for one a bit too much for 1.
Danielle - Equus Health sell linseed and a wonderful supplement call Winter Glow and Summer Shine, very like the Total Eclipse. |
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katherineepea
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 7:17:43 PM
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SS is a good idea and they are very helpful when you speak to them but in the end its all just a massive hassle. I had to drive to essex to get it and got loads so i wouldnt have to come back soon, then you have to soak the stuff in 2 massive buckets each night, the end result is a big tubtrug full of sloppy mush, which they are supposed to 'graze' on all night.
mine hated it no matter what I put in it and lost weight on it and became very lethargic. He looked awful.
now he's on calm and condition best stuff ever I will never change again! if its not broke dont fix it |
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Rozy Rider
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Aug 2008 : 10:41:59 PM
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Sounds good, no sugar, with reference to Primero Total can someone tell me what it looks like and contains, the web site does not list the contents and can someone confirm is it manufactured in Spain.
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Vera
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 09:43:17 AM
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Just had a look at the website for Primero Total and personally I do not thinks its a good idea to be constantly feeding your horse electrolytes.
Electrolytes to replace minerals lost through sweat and help prevent premature fatigue in working and competition horses.
Fine for horses in Spain where it is hot but horses in this country do not need eletrolytes with every feed. Hard working horses yes and in very hot weather I give my lot electrolytes in water in a seperate bucket.
Plus the feed contains garlic and I won't feed any of mine garlic. It has been debated here often.
I know a couple of people who feed SS, both use it in addition to other feeds and not as a sole source. |
    
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georgiauk
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 10:27:54 AM
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| All of my neds loved SS but after a good trial I found the quantities each horse needed were massive which increased feeding time and cost ! |
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Danielle
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Wales
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 4:13:46 PM
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Oooh Arabic thanks so much for that info' will have a look at them now  |
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Scotland
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Posted - 25 Aug 2008 : 5:13:27 PM
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I ment to say in my original post that I did use SS about 2 years ago. As has been said by others, the amount you had to feed was huge and I was concerned that it was too much feed in one go. My 2 didn't graze on it all night but stood and eat the whole lot in one go!!
I have to say that my older gelding did look good on it, but my youngster wasn't so great. He eat it all, but he looked poor and I wasn't happy as a result.
I also had to buy a pallet at a time, which was very costly and the storage was a bit of a problem! |
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Gemma
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Posted - 26 Aug 2008 : 09:58:05 AM
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Maybe I'm the exception to the rule then as I really rate the SS.
My mare lives out 24/7 and is a good do-er, so doesn't have to be fed large quantities. She gets the SS throughout the year, as she works hard in the spring, summer and early autumn. She does really well in endurance rides on it, though I have to confess to adding some endurance mix and Outshine when we're really working hard.
At a vet gate, she has 4 different buckets: one with mix and outshine, one with soaked lucienuts, one with carrots and apples chopped up and one very wet beet and she picks whatever she feels like.
She always looks really healthy, has loads of energy (too much sometimes!) and has an incredibly shiney, sort coat (and as she lives out, I'm of the 'minimal grooming' school).
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arabic
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England
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Posted - 27 Aug 2008 : 3:56:22 PM
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| I wouldnt say you were the exception Gemma, I think a lot really do well on it but its a case of horses for courses ha ha! |
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