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rafabreeze
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 12:13:34 PM
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Where would you find to buy a top class ridden arabian these days? The sales list is full of unbroken / in-hand horses, so where do you go to find something that has already proven itself in the show ring and is for sale. Georgina 
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emma
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 12:20:59 PM
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Word of mouth often seems to be the way |
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zebo
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marionpack
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rafabreeze
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 9:49:52 PM
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Well a really 'been there and done that' ridden purebred would most likely not be for sale and if it was, would be a lot of money surely! There are a lot of denoviced horses that will not take you straightto HOYS but are schooled and have been exposed to the world. Word of mouth and good performance studs would be the best plan I reckon.
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Pixie
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 12:32:57 AM
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| You should ask some of the riders/trailners that show these horses, they may now of horses for sale. Ask around at the shows and study the showing form, breeders always have things to get out and sold. |
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pat day
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 08:24:58 AM
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Not many let their top class ridden, out of their hands.
If they do, they will be top class money, and so they should be, they have put in all the time and work. |
       
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Jingo
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 09:06:17 AM
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Pat you are so right - a top class horse is worth its weight in gold
We were approached on Sunday at the Three Counties, yet again, to see if our boy was for sale. Glad to say he's a "fixed asset" here are Auchmillan |
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marionpack
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 10:04:31 AM
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| Yes Rafabreeze, I'm looking to, but I don't want top class ridden, just something that hasn't made that grade but would be ideal for local shows and not got any vices |
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Pixie
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 11:21:37 AM
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| ditto to Marion plus sound - soundness seems to be a rarity |
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madmare
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 11:29:49 AM
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Im after a younger mare I can use as a ET recipient mare as that is the only way I'll get a foal from Crystal. That way I can breed my replacement show horse....not have to struggle with a horse who has issues! Not all of them do, but some are advertised as sane and sensible, when they are far from it!
I'd only need her for 18 mths...just long enough to do the ET and get the foal to 6 mnths old! still can't find one!!!!! |
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rafabreeze
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 4:09:51 PM
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| To be honest, money isnt the issue, its finding the right horse. Maybe it would be best just to look for something with potential - but in the same instance, something that has proven ability too. We already have a novice mare and a potentially good ridden gelding, but to be honest the gelding probably wont make it into the ridden ring for a couple of years yet. Just looking for something that will go Open / HOYS classes with a chance of qualifying for next year. Georgina |
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Porsche
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 4:48:02 PM
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| Does the mare for ET have to be an arab? |
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NatH
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 4:53:14 PM
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Yep, I agree with the majority - a top class horse will rarely be 'for sale'.
I'm sure there are allot of 'potential' top class ridden horses for sale and you can have plenty of fun in making them
It's always worth looking at horses, where the stud has a great track record.
Mrs Vlacq or Jingo could help you here |
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madmare
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Jingo
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 8:51:51 PM
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Re "Potential Ridden Horses"
It really depends on whether people want a well mannered nice youngster - who hasn't been lunged, overshown in hand, but has the "potential" to go places later on!!!! I agree go to a stud who's main aim is to breed structurally sound horses.
If you want a "quick fix" then you have to try and persuade someone who has done the hard work SYMPATHETICALLY for you in the first place. Lots are pushed by their clients to get the horse going and placed, just to sell. SORRY but that seems to be the way for some
From our own experience it takes at least THREE years of care and sympathetic work to get a horse ABLE to get to HOYS and then, believe me at the end, you may find the experience is just far too much for them and they will take a long time to recover.
There are quite a few ridden horses on AL at the mo - mares/geldings - go and see them, talk openly to the owners - DON'T go on the photos. Be open and honest, if they like you and your home and setup, they may agree to loan the horse to you. BUT PLEASE DON'T RUIN THEIR HORSE AND THEN EXPECT TO SEND IT BACK.
This is a message to horse owners/sellers and buyer - be honest and no bull**** PLEASE.
All we want is the right home for our babies
oops sorry Madmare meant to say contact Twemlows they do have mares for embryo |
Jude
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Pixie
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 8:56:14 PM
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This is a message to horse owners/sellers and buyer - be honest and no bull**** PLEASE.
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Amen to that |
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marionpack
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 9:12:01 PM
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Quite agree Pixie, too many people don't tell the truth about the horse, then when you see them they are not what has been described and a lot of time and money has been wasted |
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Pixie
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 9:16:41 PM
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I completely understand that as you want to sell "something" you would hightlight the good points and play down the bad points..... take jam tarts for instance.
Beautiful jam, soft crumbly pastry, home made, reasonably priced etc etc. Get Jam Tarts home only to find that there is not enough jam and you are eating loads of pastry. Thats fine its only a box of jam tarts. And one mans Jam Tart is another mans poison. So its all relative.
However, as we all know horses are living breathing creatures and deserve better treatment than you would dish out to marketing a box of jam tarts.
Ooooo I fair went into one then.
My apologies
Jingo you are spot on though. |
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Jingo
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 9:20:13 PM
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So we are agreed there needs to be HONESTY on BOTH SIDES
SELLERS - no bull **** - no matter how desperate you feel to sell a horse.
POTENTIAL BUYERS - PLEASE be honest, say EXACTLY what your requirements are - dont just ask PRICE and COLOUR
Any other input and info welcome. |
Jude
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madmare
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Posted - 17 Jun 2008 : 9:35:29 PM
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| I know bout Twemlows, but my vet is doing this one....Crystal ain't leaving me for a minute! Plus, as my vets are specialist equine vets...makes things easier! |
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emma
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 09:47:49 AM
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I can think of 4 HOYS class winners in recent years who have gone on to be sold to loving new homes. So just goes to show that these successful horses do sell.
In the realms of the British Show Horse Society you often see the number of horses offered for sale with qualificactions to HOYS increasing in the run up to the show for those buyers looking to ride there, prices do understandably have a premium though. However i have noticed this less amongst the arab world.
There are particularly, in the arab scene plenty of successful small horse owners who have worked hard to get their horses to that level. As is mentioned above horses of this quality are expensive and rightly so. Now dont shoot me down in flames but to some owners if they were offered the money their horses are worth it may well be life changing to them. I know that if someone offered on my boy it is something someone in my position would really have to look at although the thought of selling him would break my heart
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Roseanne
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 10:24:29 AM
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I may be putting a squib in the fire here, but I'd have thought there would be the most satisfaction in bringing your own horse on for HOYS, rather than buying one so you can have the experience of riding there!
Unless it was a professional arrangement, if I'd backed and carefully produced a horse and qualified for HOYS I don't know whether I'd be able to bring myself to hand it over to someone else.
Jude is so right about horses being 'hothoused' for HOYS and given a bit of a traumatic experience. Correct me if I'm wrong Jude but I recall Toman not taking up a HOYS place to give him more time to get used to the razmatazz so it didn't blow his brain - a strategy that obviously worked!
And I couldn't agree more that it takes years to produce a horse properly, so it develops into a strong, fit and mentally equipped animal, able to do top level showing. There are no short cuts in my view. |
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rafabreeze
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 10:37:30 AM
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| Roseanne, we have one to to bring on but he is only 3 at the moment and we have a novice mare to bring on, I was asking about a potential HOYS horse one that has proven show ring ability already. We also have a novice large riding horse that is being bought on, so it would nice to have one that is already there so to speak as we already have 3 that we are bringing on ourselves. I can see your point and that is what we are already doing with 3 different horses. People wants and needs are all different. Georgina |
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