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Delyth
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 Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 10:38:15 AM
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Have you tried Georgian Arabians ? They usually have some young ridden horses for sale who have begun competing. As everyone has voiced they will be a 'price'. I've had so many people ask if I know of any 15hh + 5/6/7 years old which have done something for...... wait for it....... £2000 max. They hopefully don't exist  There are some very sane youngsters out there who have been started properly and need bringing on - how rewarding - why not try that  |
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rafabreeze
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 10:44:51 AM
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| Delyth, this started as just a question about where to go but seems to have spiralled. We are looking around at the moment, seeing whats out there. If something comes up then we may pursue it. I have a youngster that will be backed hopefully at the end of this year - he is three at the moment and doing very well in-hand, but he will make a superb ridden prospect for the future, but I do not envisage him in the show ring until he is 5. I know some people have them broken at 4 and in the ring practically straight away, i dont think my boy will be doing that. And yes its rewarding having a youngster, all my horses have been bought at between the ages of yearling and three so I can agree with you on that - Georgina |
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pat ww
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 10:48:45 AM
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I have to agree on price, if you want something ready made that has become unspoilable due to the high level of its training you should be prepared to pay a premium price.
Unfortunately due to the high cost of keep, many horses are sold at well LESS than it has cost the breeder to get to a rideable age. Even my Welsh ponies will not recover their costs, vaccination, wormers, farrier etc still cost even if feed is less!
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 11:04:53 AM
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Just wondering why people are prepared to subsidise the market at their own expense?
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Delyth
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 11:12:36 AM
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| Sorry Georgina I hadn't read your posts properly !! You already have novices !! I'd still give Susan a try. Diane Lee had a very nice Ffatal daughter which had competed in novice and was up for sale. Does anyone know if she sold ?? |
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emma
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 11:57:51 AM
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I saw the Ffatal daughter for sale on here, i also wondered about her as thought she was really nice altho im sure she was one of yours Delyth so perhaps im thinking of another one?
Georgina, who is your novice Riding Horse? I often watch the Riding horses. And good luck with all of them. |
Emma
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rafabreeze
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 12:19:42 PM
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| Emma, he has only been to one County Show, he needs a lot more bringing on before we try another lol So we are just doing very low key with him at the moment. He's done a couple of dressage competitions tho and has been placed each time, just needs maturing before we encounter the big boys again. Georgina |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 1:08:21 PM
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Nice to hear you're bringing your own 'string' on Georgina - I can see where you're coming from now. You must have your hands full! I'd think a genuine HOYS prospect would be like hen's teeth, as the prices right now just aren't high enough for someone who's gone to all that trouble to part with them!
When I bought my first Arab (after returning to horses when my children went to school 13 years ago) I paid more for a 2-y-o filly than many horses advertised on AL. Prices (except for some very elevated adverts) seem to have dropped over the years.
I shall be fascinated to see if you manage to get one. All the very best in your search. |
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madmare
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England
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 5:26:33 PM
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Take my girl for example (not bragging here, but to me she's the best!) Bought as a 9yr old unbroken brrodmare. Broken, schooled and totally produced by me, with no help at all....going to our 3rd national Champs this year (BACS once, BAHPAC twice) in two classes (Open mares and ridden Veteran) and Internationally qualified....she's now 22, and will be 23 by the time Towerlands comes up next summer....she's not everyone's cup of tea, but to me, she's just perfect!
She's a good example of a horse brought to showing at a later time, and still happy in a showring into their 'twilight' years! Only thing is, she hasn't realised yet that she is meant to act her age, and she's still acting like a 22 month old!
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Jingo
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 9:26:02 PM
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Roseanne, you are quite right - Toman did qualify for HOYS in his first Open year - but he de-qualified in Novice at his first show
We are oh so fortunate in having such wonderful people who have broken him and let him mature at his own rate - no quick fixes regards Tom in any field and there NEVER will be.
So in his "just" seventh year, we felt "maybe" he was ready for HOYS. We went but decided IF he couldn't cope we would withdraw him - luckily (even tho he got a little excited in "applause" round - he settled) the Caldene ring is just so explosive - LOL the main ring is so much better
I can honestly say he just excelled in the final parade on the Sunday night - I humbly believe he did the Arab breed a great honour that night - dispelling all myths that Arabs are HOT!!!! LOL the showjumpers and the household cavalry were worse
So all I can say to you hoping to go to HOYS - PLEASE take your time - don't rush your horses, there is always next year or the one after - go when you think it's right for your horse
Believe me the experience is second to none - we all still get goosepimples - ha even Tom!!!!!
Sorry I have distracted from the original thread - but there are so many wonderful genuine ridden horses out there BUT please remember people selling have usually put a lot of time and effort into getting them to being sane, sensible, genuine horses. So remember these horses deserve a reasonable return and a great home. |
Jude
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Roseanne
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 9:37:28 PM
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Amen to that Jude!!!
I also think Toman did the Arab breed a great honour. I think he is the kind of Arab that restores people's faith in the breed in terms of looks, conformation, temperament, type, 'star' quality and that attractiveness that (of all breeds available) will make people want to improve their stock by using him. None of us could have been prouder of him that HOYS. The way he trotted out of the main arena!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Those of us who train and ride just dream of that kind of moment. |
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Jingo
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 9:55:48 PM
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Amen to that Roseanne - believe me, as a very protective and proud owner, the whole HOYS experience was just so wonderful. Ann and Chris Hooley just ADORE this horse, they are as proud of him as we are.
Hey this year - he's been back to them for a month, had a trip out to three counties, now back home for a little R & R and maybe will do a couple more trips this year. He is NOT the kind of horse you can push and push and push to EVERY show, he loves his homelife and family We do miss him when he's away but the Hooleys also miss him when he's back home So we "share" him. |
Jude
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Roseanne
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Posted - 18 Jun 2008 : 9:58:37 PM
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I know Ann and Chris Hooley have had successes with so many horses, but I will always associate her now with Toman.......
Thank you for sharing. Lucky all of us! |
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emma
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 12:26:02 PM
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Must echo what Jingo has said with regards to pushing horses at every show. Some horses thrive on it and others do not and it is important to recognise this before souring your horses.
With regards to HOYS yes its explosive. We were in a similar situation with Galero who de noviced himself at his first show and promptly qualified for Hoys too. Galero went to Hoys his first year under saddle and i had no doubt that was the right decision for him, he really does take everything in his stride.
There are some horses i see there though who clearly should have left it a year or so before going. You are better off leaving it until they are ready then taking an unready horse who will then remember that bad experience the following year It is such a privelage to be there you really want to enjoy it the best you can.
Good Luck to everyone there this year! |
Emma
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MEL
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Jenni5
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 7:53:20 PM
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| There is an nice liver chestnut arab for sale on horsemart which has qualified for several shows and at a reasonable price. Worth having a look at |
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Tahir
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 8:16:08 PM
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Jingo, did Ann Hooley ride Radfan to many successes a few years ago??? (Sorry, completely off topic!!!)
Carla, xx. |
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peg
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 8:27:19 PM
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This is a really interesting thread and I don't want to go too far off the original point but some of the replies have made me curious, especially about not pushing the horse too soon. My question is: is it wrong or inadvisable to enter open ridden classes to gain experience when your horse has not been de-noviced? My thinking is that it would be very possible a) never to get de-noviced anyhow and so could potentially go on for years never trying anything more taxing, and b) given the long distances one has to travel to shows it would seem a good idea to get as much experience as possible in the one outing? I would be really grateful to be told the correct 'protocol'!
Many thanks,
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Roseanne
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 8:49:02 PM
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Peg I think novice classes give you the luxury of a real test and judgement of your horse, without the pressure and numbers that are present in the open shows. I took Lance as a youngster into novice shows in his first showing year, but because the novice class of the Nationals (after 6 - 9 months of novice shows) started at 8am and he would have hated to be stabled there overnight, I decided to put him into the open class at 1.30pm, straight from home (and he didn't disgrace himself coming 6th in the HOYS class).
If your horse is ready for the whole 'shebang' then take her. I think Jude's very wise decision was to ensure she didn't take any risks with the pressures on Toman, who went to the top from the very start. But his initial success didn't mean he had all the experience he needed (and most horses take years to achieve) to manage the immense noise/razmatazz/riding limitations/pressure of HOYS. Jude appeared (correct me if I'm wrong Jude) to manage his experience so he genuinely did absorb the regional shows, the nationals, the county shows and the Royal International, and only then went to the top, where he never waivered but just WON the lot.
If Kid knows all about performance in the ring through her dressage and isn't bothered, just go for open classes. There's nothing to stop you aiming for what she's capable of. And she's very beautiful.
Some horses are best in novice classes because they're inexperienced or more likely to get a placing there, than in the open ring. |
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Jingo
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Posted - 19 Jun 2008 : 10:05:54 PM
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Gosh Roseanne - feeling a bit embarassed But yes you are right and I am sure everyone is bored to death with Tom's history!!!
First year showing - just 5 methinks(2004) - won Cheltenham Show - then straight into Novice Ridden Stallions at National - which to our joy he won Then home for the winter - definate "drop out" just pigged out and enjoyed the rest.
Following year(2005) we did one or two Regional Group show, County Shows (hey thats where all the excitement and entertainment is) - so that was at 6 yrs. Visited Twems to collect semen. Home and again total relaxation.
Following year(2006) we did more County Shows, The Royal International, Malvern, Towerlands, BACs and then the ultimate HOYS. He def deserved his winter off
2007 we just kept his hand in with a couple of County Shows - Malvern was a washout. So he came home early and relaxed.
2008 he's had fun at home been partying at Three Counties Show, been home again for R & R and may do another couple of shows.
I think the difference with Tom is that - we have NEVER pushed him - we never bought him to make money etc etc. He's not a quick fix and altho we've been offered "name your price" he's our "special boy" and will stay our greatest asset. All we want is his happiness and when he says he's not happy going showing, then he'll do something else. At the end of the day a rosette is only a rosette - we KNOW we bring the best boy home - that's enough for us
The next chapter is enjoying his beautiful children - boy are we lucky |
Jude
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peg
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Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 07:30:37 AM
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Thanks so much Roseanne, That’s really helpful and informative. I don’t think I phrased my question terribly well but in essence I guess what I was trying to get at was how appropriate it is to use Open classes (in addition to Novice classes) as a way of educating your horse (i.e. letting it get as much experience as possible in the ring). From my very limited showing experience the thing I need to work on is getting her used to being ridden at a show by someone else, as this is what let us down. Even though she is very much used to others on her back at home, it seemed a different kettle of fish when away, when she was naughty with the judge. Having reflected on this I probably should be taking her to local shows for this purpose instead of the bigger ones, however from what I’ve seen and heard judges don’t always ride at local shows.
My question was put because rightly or wrongly I was starting to sense that the vibe seems to be that you show your horse when it’s ready to be placed, and that timing (when to put them in a certain class) is critical, and that therefore perhaps these classes are not meant as a place to educate your horse (unlike dressage where it’s absolutely fine to get out there and gain as much ring experience as possible!). I wondered whether a) this is true and b) if so whether that reflected the fact that the showing world is a small community with limited number of judges and you don’t want to overexpose judges to the same horse too often and that first impressions may be much more important in showing than say in other disciplines? I am probably barking up the wrong tree!! Oh I am probably thinking too much and should just get on with it  !
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emma
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Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 09:44:53 AM
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Peg i think you will find many horses are entered in both novice and open classes at shows which allow it (ive noticed some that dont). Some horses skip novice classes and go straight into open (ive noticed that particularly in the riding horses and hacks).
There is nothing wrong with going into open classes as long as your horse is going to be well mannered and not upset the judge or other competitors too much, im sure if you watch the classes you will see some more and some less experienced horses in there without problems.
I think the points made above were aimed more at HOYS itself, sometimes despite having qualified it may not be the best thing to take the horse that year, its a tough call as obviously qualifiying for Hoys is the dream but there are times when you need to recognise what is best for your horse. I was in a priveleged position with Galero as he really is very laid back and showing is a very small part of his lifestyle, as a consequence i was able to take him aged 5 yrs in his novice year but the number of times ive seen horses who should have really been left til the following year (obviously you can never forsee how the horse will react at any show but its worth considering if its really worth pushing the horse for.)
With regards to pushing the horse i think the point myself and Jude were trying to make is that there is no need to go to every show under the sun. As Jude says our boys are ours and not being produced for a quick buck, i guess those looking to sell will get as many shows under their belts in order to get the horse seen and perhaps the price increased. In the arab showing i think the season is fairly short when compared to others, therefore those chasing qualifiers could find themselves at a show every weekend for a few months over the summer.
We took a similar approach to Jude a few shows each year and its certainly paid off |
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peg
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Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 09:48:54 AM
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That's helpful Emma - thanks very much for the explanation, makes an awful lot of sense. This has been a really interesting thread!
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madmare
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Posted - 20 Jun 2008 : 11:39:47 AM
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Thats what I do with Crystal...she has proved herself, and doesn't need to go to every single show (that and the fact that showing is soo bloomin expensive)...I thought, that the year I qualified for BACS, I wouldn't do a Novice class again, as I don't believe it is fair on others in the class. Crystal is STILL a novice, in the strictest sense of the word.....we have been placed, but never won a showing class together. I think that Novice status should be cancelled after 2 seasons, whether you have won a class or not....otherwise you could be slogging round in novice classes for ever!
I showed Crystal twice last year...once at the Classic, and once at BAHPAC....this year, I did the NWRG show, and again, my next show is BAHPAC (unless I can afford to go to local club next month to keep her hand in) Horses get bored and ring stale if they are slgged round shows week in, week out....I prefer to take things easy with Crystal now, and pick and choose where we go, and what classes to do. I'm lucky in the fact that she is still in good health, and thoroughly enjoys going to shows...she thinks everyone is there specially to see her! |
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bevlets
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Posted - 22 Jun 2008 : 09:04:17 AM
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HI all
sorry to be a bit different but i break horses and i think it is good to take a horse out to give it different experience's as they ride different at home as they do out, and also if they have done alot of in hand they get a little spikey at show so it also teaches them that ridden is different. At local show you will find judges do not ride them so they dont get that experience they only learn ring manners which is not enough i agree not sickening a horse but just pick your shows with a novice you want kind rides so they enjoy the experience .i have novice's and open arabs and they all are very differant and my novice de novice at his first show so next year he is open but i will keep him novice all season for the experience as in open the level jumps up a gear , and dont want to throw that at him just yet , my open horse love shows he hates being in he has qualified hoys twice this year and was novice last but we do this with him because he some times needs to learn to behave with being a stallion his manners can let him down only some times (covring time). At the start of the season he was very bouncy now he knows his job and is carm we will take him to malven next then international and bac's then hoys as it keeps him ticking over but we will do overthings with them as well . but i agree when buying a ridden horse look around and dont rush in it is very had to repair other bad habits i must admit i prefer to buy a youngster and break it my self so i dont have to mend problems hope i have not upset anyone just every one is different through there own experiences :) Bev |
   
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