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rafabreeze
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 Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 4:24:29 PM
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I put this on the General Discussion Board and although over 100 people have viewed it, there isnt much response, so I thought I would re-post it on here. I went to the Wessex Group Show at the weekend, have to say the venue was amazing. During the course of events 2 horses, one I know to be a colt freed themselves from their handlers whilst being shown in the ring. In the class I was watching, had colts and geldings in the ring, and the horse in question was a threat to all. Are there any fines or repercusions for the handler when this type of thing happen? Do you think there should be if there isnt anythng in place as a general rule? It was quite scarey to watch the colt go from horse to horse in the ring with the attempt of mounting it. I must congratulate the other handlers and horses on their excellent behaviour when faced with the loose horse - Georgina
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danni
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 4:52:38 PM
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Very interesting topic !
Not sure what the answer should be,
I myself have lost a sec a in the ring,he ran round a bit but i managed to grab him,
We then said sorry to the judge and left the ring
We practise with him at home and teach him manners but sometimes these things happen,
On the other hand whilst showing a friends sec d gelding,i was kicked quite badly by a stallion which the girl had no control over,
He then went on to cause bedlam by trying to mount everything,
They were banned from attending the show again,
Each case is different so don't no if there should be fines or not?
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CINDERS
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England
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Posted - 16 Apr 2008 : 5:39:08 PM
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See discussion forum
Should also have said that loose horses were traditionally asked to do their individual show last but this was changed in the new blue book as it was realised that this is actually an advantage and some european handlers were thought to be allowing their animals to escape deliberately.
As I said there can be extenuating circumstances - I had a filly get lose because her bridle snapped (it was brand new).
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Cassie
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England
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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 : 1:30:18 PM
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The shows that I have always entered have said that I must have third party insurance which I assume is standard and I suppose if there is an injury to anilmal or people having the insurance would pay out for such an injury it must have been scary all the same
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carrie b
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England
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Posted - 20 Apr 2008 : 11:55:01 PM
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| I was at the Wessex Show and witnessed one of the incidents with the loose horse. Two things struck me at the time. The first was that there were no stewards or volunteers of any sort to help the unfortunate woman recapture her horse. After 2 or 3 minutes a couple of volunteers went to the arena gates but by this time the woman had managed to catch her horse without their help. The second thing was the attitude of the other showers in the arena, some of whom seemed to think that lashing out at the horse with a whip was a good way to resolve the situation. Their attitude was clearly to protect their own horses, but in my (ringside) view their horses were not at any risk. The whole episode was over in a few minutes and the judge, far from disqualifying the escapee, placed him in the top three. There is a fine of £15 for losing your horse, but I don't know if this was applied in this case. He was a lovely boy, if a bit high-spirited (and isn't that what a good arab should be?)and enlivened what otherwise was, I regret to say, rather a dull show. |
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angelarab
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 10:36:22 AM
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When i started reading this post, i thought you had been at the same show as me the other weekend! The exact same thing happend in our two y/o class. It was scary it was my first show and like you say the loose one tried to mount the others, then the loose one sent another one loose, my gelding stood stock still bless him whilst having his bottom sniffed, and the handler was able to catch the colt. The first colt left the ring.
It is scary sometimes but what can you do some days they are little angels in the ring and other days horse from hell. |
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SueB
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 10:42:51 AM
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No offence to the handler here in any way.
I know she didn't let the horse off deliberately as is being indicated on another forum. It was an accident and with any young horse it can happen.
Saying that, there ought to be better guidelines in force at any show no matter how small, as this was. It was a Spring show and often a judge will forgive somethings at this level.
I didn't attend this show but, if any horse gets lose, dedicated stewards and other show helpers (who are used to horses), should spring into action and try to get the animal out of the ring into the collecting ring. Or the steward should ask everyone in the arena with horses, to leave the arena as quickly as poss and trap the lose horse in the ring. Or just catch the horse. You need a system in place before the shows starts.
This is not a criticism pointed to that show but all shows.
One day someone will get hurt, as lose horses are getting more and more common. When this happens as it will, everyone will be crying who is to blame, get something solid happening now before it is too late.
Our Arabs are much more fit and ready to have some fun, even the most talented handler will not be able to hang on.
I can assure you if any handler was in the ring with one of my horses I would expect them to do anything to keep a 2 year old colt away from my horse! A bucket of water would be good!
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rafabreeze
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 11:53:27 AM
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| Sue, I was at the show and I wouldnt think that anyone would deliberately let their horse go in the ring. Goodness knows what is being said on other forums, but no one in their right mind would let a horse, especially a colt, loose in the ring. I would think she was mortified that it happened. My question was basically what are the rules, are there fines?, are you asked to leave? - I saw another case on Sunday at the North Staffs show, this was a different kettle of fish altogether tho, a horse threw its rider and ran around the ring. Georgina x |
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SueB
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 3:21:16 PM
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Hi Rafabreeze don't read anything in my post other than me trying very badly, to come up with an idea of what can we all do to help this situation.?
Maybe handlers or owners should double check the halter is safe and strong maybe the show organisers provide a bucket with Pony Nuts in and a headcollar and rope to be kept near the collecting ring? maybe have a person or persons informed before each show that they are on horse catching duties!! Anything really.
I see this problem will get worse.
Our arabs are presented in the ring in a much fitter condition for shows today, so accidents will happen. The rules that apply to each individual show are applied, but it still won't stop horses from getting lose! |
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rafabreeze
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 4:00:15 PM
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Hi SUE, No I wasnt, I just thought maybe I'd put it badly across in the first place and it seemed like I was pointing the finger lol. Didnt want anyone to think I was bad mouthing anyone.
I dont know either what can be done to prevent it happening, like someone already said horses are horses and can be unpredictable. I just remember from years ago going to a show and someone was fined for not holding on to their horse. Georgina |
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SueB
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 4:54:01 PM
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I remember one year at Devon County Show a young bull went berserk in the parade at the end of the show. He had been calm all day long, something upset him and off he went dragging his white coated male handler along on the floor. The poor handler was bouncing along covered in mud and poop!! not one person stepped in to help him
I don't think even a bucket of cow nuts would have caught him. Animals are so unpredictable.
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CINDERS
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 5:11:13 PM
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We have headcollars at each ring in case of this happening. Nothing worse than trying to catch a horse and some poor soul having to run back to their lorry for a headcollar.
It was me who mentioned horses being let loose deliberately but I was not pointing the finger just observing that this does happen (particularly in Europe)
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SueB
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Posted - 21 Apr 2008 : 7:05:07 PM
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Yvonne,, the only sure fire way of stopping that from happening is very radical.....and only my opinion.
Any horse that has got lose in the ring for what ever the reason, even if the handler has keeled over, is that that horse can never ever be placed first at that show, no matter how good he is. No fine, no warning, just no first place.
It sounds unfair and it is to some degree, but it would stop it.
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CINDERS
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 12:45:30 PM
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Sue
We like radical, not sure others would though |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 22 Apr 2008 : 6:57:28 PM
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I saw this happen also. Whilst attending at a European show I could quite easily believe that things get done for ulterior motives. However at the Wessex Spring Show I simply don't believe this would happen. I also do not believe it would happen with the handler involved.
If this happened while I had a horse in the ring, I would keep the horse away from mine if it was being aggressive, but at the end of the day, if it came within easy reach, I would catch it. I'd like to think we would still all try to help each other out (?!) and I dare say we have all had a feisty male youngster on the end of a leadrope before!! |
    
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tamila
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Posted - 23 Apr 2008 : 08:09:01 AM
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| A few years ago I saw this happen deliberately and the colt rushed across into the next ring and scattered the hunter mares and foals. I think it was after this is that the fine was brought in. This was at Bath and West and someone very high up in the AHS was talking to me at the ringside and she was furious. |
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MinHe
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 1:17:49 PM
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This same incident was discussed on the SE forum, and a lady from Australia kindly posted their rules on the subject, which were very definitive and very fair - basically, it boiled down to:
a) horse gets loose BY ACCIDENT, no possibility of injury to anyone - horse continues in class.
b) loose horse threatens safety of other exhibitors/horse, entry is disqualified.
I think we should forward these rules to the Shows/Events Committee, with the request that they should be adopted by the AHS with effect from next year.
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pat ww
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 7:50:17 PM
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It can be frightening to a handler. I remember having our stallion in the collecting arena for a "C" show and a well known handlers stallion broke free, and made straight for my boy, who luckily had impeccable manners as I was sandwiched between the two with only a standard mid length whip for 'protection'.
The stewart did congratulate me on not panicking and keeping hold of my boy, and the loose horse was caught a few seconds later, but it was potentially a lethal situation, and one I hope never to repeat.
I think my own stallion kept his head as he had lived out with colts till he was 2, then lived with mares, and 'nannied' the weaned foals. he was also broken and hacked out.
With youngsters, there can be little opportunity for them to gain experience until they arrive at a show. We did a countly show with a 3 year old colt and 4 year old gelding, both new to it, and both blown away by the noise and sheer volume of things happening around them.
We planned well and they were walked round for an hour before the classes, by which time they were rather too 'flat'. |
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suneanarab
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 8:24:04 PM
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the only time we have had a horse break loose is at home.
i have seen some of our top handlers, one in particular, let go of a playing colt or stallion when it would have been very easy to keep hold of them.
we have had horses get loose in the ring with us and we are very lucky that sol will stand or move as i say so so that we have been able to trap horses with him and catch them. however, our show hunter mare took great exception to being flirted with and promtly booted the horse with double barrels! she had back shoes on and could have done serious damage to the loose horse. thankfully she didn't.
handlers who let go of horses are very stupid coz not only do they put every horse and person on the show ground at risk, but also the poor horse they have let go of! lets face it it is rare that the horse belongs to them.
mistakes and accidents happen but there should be really stiff penalties for those who let go when they could have kept hold. |
suzanne walsh
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s.jade
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 8:37:46 PM
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I lost a 2yr old filly (my Fabbi's daughter) 2 years ago at N.Staffs show.
I was horrendously nervous...and she reared, got a leg over and started running backwards....I had to let go and she belted round the arena before I could corner and grab her, though at no point did she endanger anyone.
Ended up with me leaving...having panic attack back at the stables (ask K8E LOL) and being terrified to show ever again.
Have to say, had I been penalised for it I would have been devastated.
However if she had posed a threat to other handlers and/or horses I feel leaving the ring would be the respectful thing to do?
Funniest thing I ever saw was when my young stallion escaped whilst covering last year after his bridle slipped his head. The maiden mare panicked, kicked me and got away too....Raffs was determined he was going to get on her even if it meant going through fences, but my mum stepped in and just shouted NO!
He stopped dead, put his tackle away and stood like a lamb to catch and rebridle! He then proceeded to cover her sensibly...and passed out! |
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suneanarab
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Posted - 30 Apr 2008 : 9:57:12 PM
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sam, i doubt that anyone would have felt you were at fault for what happened with your filly. as i said, there is a difference between an accident and someone 'letting go' when they could have kept hold with no problems.
as for your colt, lol, sol was always slow to get on and would always go to sleep straight away afterwards. these days he has a bit more staminer, though still not over impressed if asked to perform more than once a day.
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