| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
maracz
Bronze Member
62 Posts |
 Posted - 25 Oct 2007 : 11:05:23 PM
|
Please Please Please Bia would you work out my stallions % its just to much for my we brain he is Ledarb silver blue soverign would love to take him to the crabbet show next year?
Kerry
|
|
Report to moderator
|
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 12:34:35 AM
|
Hi Kerry, I would love to help you.. but I can't find his pedigree! I now one stallion named Silver Blue, born 1969 (AHSB). Is he the Sire to Ledarb? Is Soverign his dam, and is the spelling correct? I don't find her in the Datasource, so can you give me her sire and dam names!
Bia |
 |
Report to Moderator  |
|
|
maracz
Bronze Member
62 Posts |
Posted - 26 Oct 2007 : 9:42:03 PM
|
Hi Bia i put his pedigree on the all pedigree search would be great if you could help.
Kerry |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 28 Oct 2007 : 5:19:28 PM
|
Oh gosh Kerry.. he's just below the 75%+ which he need for the Crabbet Shows!!
He is 74,22% Crabbet (74,215696), but that's good anyway.. don't you think? I do
Bia |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
maracz
Bronze Member
62 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 10:01:47 PM
|
Thank you so much bia thats brill didnt realise he was so high do they not take anything under the 75% for the crabbet show, thats a shame i could take his daughter though? Thanks amyway,you must realy love doin the pedigree research its facinating isnt it god i love arabs,Thanks again take care.
kerry |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2007 : 10:51:17 PM
|
Hi Kerry, yes I do love researching bloodlines.. and live Arabians!
Are his daughter Sharacz, out of his dam Maracz? In that case she's 62,68% Crabbet (62,678525) because Maracz is only 51,14%+!
Yes, minimum for the Crabbet Shows is 75%, but you can show theme in other shows!
Bia |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
hankam
Bronze Member
80 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2007 : 8:43:01 PM
|
HI Bia
Can you please find out the percentage of my boy hes Rio Grande Persian Gold Gleam of Flame x Meliha Bint Mifaria he is also on the all pedigree database
Many thanks Hannah |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2007 : 10:22:27 PM
|
Hi Hannah!
I didn't find your boy registered in Datasource (AHSB), so I could not check the pedigree as I use to do. But, I hope allbreed is correct by your info.. so I counted the percentage from there!
Lovely name by the way!! He is 73,24% Crabbet (73,242185) and his bloodlines is 75% Old English (incl. crabbet) & 25% Polish from Grojec.
He is one generation 'pure in strain' Kuhailan-Adjuz (Rodania Or.Ar.) which means that his parents have the same strain.
Bia |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Joannebnd007
Silver Member
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 07:56:18 AM
|
[ SANDIE ]
Hi Bia,
Any chance of finding out my old stallions crabbet percentage for me too as I am hopeless at this 6/16th business 
He is also a Silver Blue son x Sky Hala - He is SKY COMET , 23yrs , grey , stallion , and still in fine working order
If over 75% then maybe he could come out of retirement again and return to the ring
My email is setapsell@Aol.com
T.I.A
Sandie
 |
Edited by - Joannebnd007 on 02 Nov 2007 07:57:30 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Joannebnd007
Silver Member
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 12:51:57 PM
|
[ SANDIE ]
Me again
I have had a go using the Crabbet Calculating doodad and I make it way off the 75 % needed.
But I still would like an accurate ( ) figure as not sure I did it right !  |
Edited by - Joannebnd007 on 02 Nov 2007 12:52:47 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 03 Nov 2007 : 9:40:23 PM
|
Hi Sandie,
I got your boy to be 59,375% Crabbet and 40,625% Polish. Though, Nabor (Naborr) was bred by Tersk (Russia), but his bloodlines is 75% Polish/25% Crabbet.
He look gorgeous on the allbreed photo, do you have any recently taken?
I guess that you know about his sire- and damline after your own research for his percentage, otherwise just ask me!
Bia |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Joannebnd007
Silver Member
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2007 : 03:40:52 AM
|
Thankyou Bia
Wahoo ! That was one of the figures I had but not sure which one was right.
The picture on allbreeds is him as a yearling at the SKY stud in 1985. I will see if I can find a latter one, but he retired in 2004
Nabor did confuse me, bred at Tersk, called Polish but 25% Crabbett 
Yes please , tell me about his tail lines
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Evie
Platinum Member
England
3513 Posts |
|
|
maracz
Bronze Member
62 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2007 : 9:50:18 PM
|
Hi Sandie have you used your boy at stud much as he is nicely bred you should take him out of retirement,my mare has sky in her has a similar look the polish shines through.
Kerry,
Thanks bia yes Sharacz is by my boy out of his dam shes a cracker but wont be repeating as she was a we mistake. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Joannebnd007
Silver Member
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 12:11:59 PM
|
Hi maracz
Yes he did stand at public stud but not for a few years now. I used him in 2005 and he was still 100% fertile and got the mare in foal first time.I have kept the filly she is a Fawor grandaughter .
I dont have the facilities to take visiting mares but local ones could drop in for an afternoon trist |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 8:23:31 PM
|
Originally posted by Joannebnd007Thankyou Bia Wahoo ! That was one of the figures I had but not sure which one was right. The picture on allbreeds is him as a yearling at the SKY stud in 1985. I will see if I can find a latter one, but he retired in 2004 Nabor did confuse me, bred at Tersk, called Polish but 25% Crabbett Yes please , tell me about his tail lines
Well done with your figures Sandie, now you can help other people too and give me a brake now and then!!
Re Nabor.. he's considered to be 100% Russian because he was born there. So you can 'say' that Sky is 100% English.. incl 12,5% Russian - 28,125% Polish and 59,375% Crabbet!
Sireline is Mahruss http://www.arieana.com/nborigst.html#ma1 (Crabbet)
-->to Zobeyni Or.Ar http://www.arieana.com/nborigst.html#zob (Abbas Pasha, Egypt)
Damline is Zulejma (1914) through Sahara Slepka Or.Ar. to Sahara Or.Ar. (Poland).
'Sky' belongs to the dam line of Sahara Or.Ar. imp 1845 to Jarczowce. The strain is Kuhailan (i.e Kohejlan) and the only direct line from Sahara OA is that from her daughter Sahara Slepka OA who was foaled in transit. Many members of this family perished in World War I and only two mares were saved, Pomponia 1902 and her daughter by Kohejlan OA, Zulejma 1914.
Despite the sorry state this family was in after WW I it has since grown and is now one of the major families, both in quality and quantity. Zulejma 1914 founded three branches of this family through her daughters Dziwa 1922, Ferja 1924 and Huryska 1926.
Strain: Kohejlan-Moradi (Sahara Or.Ar.)
Bia |
|
Edited by - Barabia on 06 Nov 2007 8:28:07 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2007 : 9:17:49 PM
|
Originally posted by EvieHi Bia, I'm going to jump in here as you seem to be the expert on these things! Hope you don't mind Would you be able to tell me my mare's Crabbet % Thank you!!
Hi Evie, well I'm not an expert at all.. but thanks anyway!
There is a little (?) problem with some of the Egyptian lines, so I will say approx-%, because there's a difference between UK & Australia ..which horses are considered to be 100% Crabbet!? I have followed the UK-way for my counting!
'Tara' is approx 87,5% OE (Old English) & 12,5% Egyptian related (from The Shah).. incl 80,11% Crabbet (80,108635).
It's amazing that she has so many 'oldies' very close up.. as Mikeno x2, Gharbi, Nasam.. to name a few!
Sireline: Ibn Rabdan to Gamil El Kebir Or.Ar. http://www.arieana.com/nbibnrab.html#ibnrab
Damline: Bint Helwa to Gazieh Or.Ar. http://www.arieana.com/nbbinthe.html
Strain: Seglawiah Jidraniah (can be spelled in many different ways!)
Bia |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Bethan
Silver Member
Wales
306 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2007 : 10:39:57 AM
|
| Is it being very cheeky to ask you to work out my boy's pedigree also?.....he is Kazeme El Mystral and his pedigree is on all breeds...thanks a heap in advance |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Joannebnd007
Silver Member
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2007 : 11:30:09 AM
|
[ SANDIE ]
Wow Bia, Thankyou,
Wahey I can do it too now !!!!
It's all the printing of the 5-11 generations that I found a pain.
I did click back on tail female and saw Sahara as root and thought he was kohielen (sp ).
Spookly a friend asked me to go see a mare with her a few weeks ago , we both liked it abd she bought it . Just done her tail female and she is Sahara too.
My filly by Comet is Tail female Ukraine ??????? Never heard of this one, have you ??? |
Edited by - Joannebnd007 on 08 Nov 2007 11:30:44 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2007 : 9:08:50 PM
|
Originally posted by Joannebnd007[ SANDIE ]Wow Bia, Thankyou, Wahey I can do it too now !!!! It's all the printing of the 5-11 generations that I found a pain. I did click back on tail female and saw Sahara as root and thought he was kohielen (sp ). Spookly a friend asked me to go see a mare with her a few weeks ago , we both liked it abd she bought it . Just done her tail female and she is Sahara too. My filly by Comet is Tail female Ukraine ??????? Never heard of this one, have you ???
Hi Sandie,
There is no Arab registered called Ukraine!! Only one called Ukrainka, foaled about 1815 in Slawuta, and is the founder of Family no.6 in Poland.
Is your filly a purebred, and is she on allbreed.. or her dam??
Bia |
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Evie
Platinum Member
England
3513 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2007 : 11:29:10 PM
|
Hi Bia
Thanks so much for the info! Tara's dam was born in 1974 so I guess that may be why she has a lot of oldies in her pedigree!
It is good to know that I'll be able to take her to Crabbet events when I am back in the UK :-) |
Bristol |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Joannebnd007
Silver Member
United Kingdom
337 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2007 : 09:05:31 AM
|
[ SANDIE ]
She is Fawaura ( Sky Comet x SFA Passionata )
I make her 29.6875 Crabbet and 70.3125 Polish (or 6.25 Russian and 64.0625 Polish
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/fawaura
Oops sorry , yep I meant
UKRAINKA
gr ~1815
Never heard of this before, what does family no. 6 or 3 ( sky comet ) mean ?
So what does that make her, Koheilan ??
Does UKRAINKA have any traits she passes ( like Rodania (sp) ) is supposed to pass forward
Sky Comet is apparently Kohejlan-Moradi ( the listening horses ) , this is so right as the stud where I stood him as a young chap said he was the best gaurd dog they ever had. If the dogs barked they would listen but if Comet neighed they were out of bed in a second, gun ready
|
Edited by - Joannebnd007 on 09 Nov 2007 09:39:03 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2007 : 7:35:50 PM
|
Evie, it's all my pleasure..thank you!
Sandie, I don't know what strain Ukrainka belongs to (if she has one?).. and there is nothing written about her what I have seen! Tried to google her.. but not much luck. The Polish book I have is saying that she was born in Slawuta.. nothing more, sorry!
Poland always gave their foundation horses a family no. but I don't know why?
Lovely to have a listening horse, I've heard about it before.. but forgot it's the 'Moradi's!!
Edit to add this statement from another forum: "Ukrainka was imported from the desert to Slawuta in 1810 by Roman Sanguszko. She was of the Saklawi strain." I wonder if that is right???
Also found this (some famous Ukraina descendants): http://www.eaarabians.com/research.htm
Good luck with your filly!
Bia |
|
Edited by - Barabia on 09 Nov 2007 10:53:51 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Barabia
Gold Member
Sweden
1059 Posts |
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked 