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gu-ku-vi
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 Posted - 09 Nov 2007 : 10:43:37 PM
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Hi Bia.
Now it is my turn to ask you if you would have a look at a pedigree.This one is a mare that I have owned, and I has always have some doupht about if she really was Crabbet/Old English,because of the mare Susannah that is behind.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/silver+baby2
Hope you have time to help.
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Barabia
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Posted - 09 Nov 2007 : 10:56:55 PM
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Hi Gunni,
I will check her up for you.. first thing tomorrow!
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Joannebnd007
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 07:22:47 AM
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Hi Gunni
Found these is Susannah's lines so you are right, Bia will be spot on with the exact % though 
ALDEBARAN H, ARABIAN, 1919
Color: ch
GSB 713; AHSB 103 (Vol. II p 26) Bred by HRH The Prince Of Wales. (registered in US as Aldebar). Exp to Canada 1929, ReExp to US and Henry Babson, 1940. Al Khamsa. 50% Crabbet
NURI PASHA H, ARABIAN, 1920
Color: gr
GSB #724; AHR #517 Bred by S. G. Hough; Imp from UK to US 1924 75% Crabbet
BAZRAH M, ARABIAN, 1919
Color: b
AHRA #378 Bred by W. R. Brown, Berlin, New Hampshire 93,75% Crabbet
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Barabia
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Posted - 10 Nov 2007 : 4:11:04 PM
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Hi Gunni.
'Baby' is 100% OE incl. 98,645015% Crabbet. I wonder why you've had some doubts about it?
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 11 Nov 2007 : 10:39:06 AM
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Thank you Bia, in fact I was sure, but still have a little doubht,because of the american
influence.
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Joannebnd007
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Posted - 11 Nov 2007 : 12:53:06 PM
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[ SANDIE ]
Sorry, I misunderstood Gunni, I thought you doubted her being 100% crabbet, which from Bia answer she isnt 
Is Allpedigrees wrong then or have I done it wrong Bia  |
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Barabia
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Posted - 11 Nov 2007 : 6:13:35 PM
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Hi Gunni.
Gayza and her parents (and a few more) are born in USA, but the ancestors comes from UK.. Crabbet/O.E. and is registered in GSB, which makes Susannah (and Gayza) 100% O.E.
I quote from Alexia Ross's article at Crabbet.org:
"The Blunt's Ali Pasha Sherif bred mare, Ghazala, is another that survives only in combination with some non-Crabbet lines. She was sold to Spencer Borden in the USA. There she produced the outstanding sire Gulastra by the Crabbet bred Astraled and the good broodmare Gulnare by another Crabbet bred stallion, Rodan, a grandson of her dam, Bint Helwa. It was Gulnare's daughter and granddaughter Gayza and Gara that returned to the UK and re-established the line. Both mares were by Bazleyd, a horse of predominantly Blunt breeding who carried one line to Imam, a full brother to Borak's sire Boanerges."
Read the whole article (2 sides) here: http://www.crabbet.org.uk/articles/olden1.aspx
Hi Sandie, the info on Allbreed is correct.. but I don't understand what you thought with "done it wrong"?
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Joannebnd007
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Posted - 12 Nov 2007 : 08:17:58 AM
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Gunni said she doubted her being 100% Crabbet , I found those lines in her pedigree that werent 100% so said thought she was right to doubt her 100% status.
Your then confirmed at about 98 odd % but asked why did she doubt it.
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Bethan
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Posted - 12 Nov 2007 : 08:56:06 AM
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Wow...been offline for a while, thank you so much for working out Kazeme's pedigree (he is four so that makes it 2003). This is such a fasinating topic  |
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Joannebnd007
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nikki
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Posted - 12 Nov 2007 : 10:30:21 AM
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Hiya Sandie,
That would be his sire line |
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Joannebnd007
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Posted - 12 Nov 2007 : 10:42:20 AM
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Cheers Nikki,
but I thought the Pols were all about their Dam tail female lines , thats why we get the family letter following on like
Forta > Fatma > Fawor etc
Why were they displayed as Tail Male groups ??
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DOH...... note to self read all the headings
" Stallions representing the foundation Sire lines included:"
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nikki
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Posted - 12 Nov 2007 : 12:18:33 PM
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The names still follow the dam's by beginning with the first letter so you can identify which group they came from.
I would assume they dispalying the different male line's in the groups selected and how they've bred on. You just keep following the sire(not the dam)
I know the Kuhailan Afas is responsible for the Comet line, and so forth.
It's the same in Crabbet-for example say Measoud.
Egypt is Nazeer.
Hope that makes sense.
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Joannebnd007
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Posted - 13 Nov 2007 : 06:30:22 AM
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Thanks Nikki,
I knew about the female stuff as I have had Polish / cross horses for 21 years but have never seen the stallions listed in sire line group before
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 : 7:36:59 PM
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Hej it me again. Have a friend there is interested in knowing the crabbet% in Aul Magic.
Please Bia if you have time and mood to tell us about it.
Perhaps you or someone else knew a little more of him than just crabbets in him.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/aul+magic
Gunni.
Sorry, no need to make people work, when I find it myself,82% crabbet, but the rest of him, what is that?
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Lila
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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 : 8:46:49 PM
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Hi Gunni, there is Davenport behind him, he goes back to the great war mare Wadduda. He also goes back to Kesia II.
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 14 Nov 2007 : 10:21:25 PM
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Thank you Monique, always so exciting to hear about the ancesters.
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Barabia
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Posted - 17 Nov 2007 : 6:33:35 PM
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Hi Gunni. He is pure in strain Basilisk.. but I guess you already knew that?
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