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Info Sponge
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 Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 10:48:12 AM
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Hi everyone,
Has anyone got stud records that might cover the progeny of a thoroughbred mare called Careless Rapture, born 1954 by Ruthless2 out of Flying Quest?
Lynda has very kindly looked up Jamboree (the dam of Rajeen) sought in my previous post and found her in Vol.6 of the Part Bred Register.
Jamboree was a chestnut mare born in 1957 by RIH EL GHARB (AHSB Vol 8) out of a mare called Careless Rapture (breeding unknown).
Allbreeds show a TB Careless Rapture 1954 by Ruthless2 out of Flying Quest and I'm hoping this might be the right one can anyone help here?
Also could someone technically reliable, ie not like me, be so kind as to put Jamboree on allbreeds.
Thanks loads,
Chris
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Lynda
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Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 10:58:55 AM
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Hi Chris
If Careless Rapture was a registered thoroughbred, it would have made Jamboree an Anglo. Be careful with allbreeds. As wonderful as it is, not everything is absolutely correct. I've added info to the pedigree. |
Edited by - Lynda on 14 Oct 2007 11:09:49 AM |
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 11:59:30 AM
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Thank you for all that Lynda.
I'm completely new to this and totally ignorant about which register would contain what so thank you for pointing out about the Anglo aspect. Is there a separate Anglo register then? Can you also be so kind as to explain the difference in meaning of AHS & AHSB?
The good thing for everyone on this forum is I have nearly got all the information I want for my new foal and as she is supposed to be arriving next weekend I will soon no longer have any time to harass you all!
Thanks again,
Chris
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Lynda
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Posted - 14 Oct 2007 : 2:52:10 PM
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No problem 
Yes, there is a different stud book for Anglo Arabs. AHS means Arab Horse Society and AHSB means Arab Horse Stud Book. |
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dormouse
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 10:38:06 AM
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The information that Weatherbys have on line is as follows.
Careless Rapture, 1954, Mare, by Ruthless ex Flying Quex
Her only listed progeny that I can find is the one stallion listed on allbreeds as well which is Fountain of Youth (NZ) details below who seems to have ended up as a stallion in Australia until his death in the 1980's.
Fountain of Youth (NZ), 1962, Stallion by Alcimedes ex Careless Rapture
Flying Quex does not seem to have be a great producer either of registered thoroughbreds as I could only find two other fillies listed apart from Careless Rapture.
Polly Mahal 1948 F Pherozshah - Flying Quex
Flying Relda 1950 F Pherozshah - Flying Quex
Careless Rapture 1954 F Ruthless - Flying Quex
No real answers but hopefully of interest.
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 15 Oct 2007 : 12:26:57 PM
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Hi Lynda & Dormouse,
Thank you Lynda for the explanations, I was confused that AHSB might have meant Arab Horse Society Bred!
Dormouse,
You have made me feel terribly guilty, as you have been so kind to track down a horse that obvously can't be the one I'm looking for as Lynda has wisely explained.
The Careless Raputure that I'm after is presumably another breed. Anyhow hopefully you have helped someone else with this info!
Thanks again,
Chris |
Edited by - Info Sponge on 15 Oct 2007 1:22:12 PM |
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Melynda
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 4:10:03 PM
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You have been looking at the wrong Careless Rapture, this is the right one
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/careless+rapture2
at least this is all her breeding as listed in the Hunter Stud Book XIX, as she is the dam of Jamboree, chestnut mare born 1957 by Rih el Gharb.
She is also the dam of Bella Mia (HIS no 11541) and Flamenco (HIS supp. 3829) (both by Rih el Gharb) and High Society (HIS supp. 3462)by same stallion. |
Edited by - Melynda on 27 Oct 2007 9:15:18 PM |
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 4:44:25 PM
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Hi Melynda,
As usual you are quite brilliant!
Thank you for finding the right horse for me.
Do you think Careless Rapture is a full thoroughbred or do the couple of gaps in the breeding on allbreeds make you think there's a bit of Heinz 57 involved?
So tied up with my new baby at the mo so please excuse me if I go quiet should you find time to reply.
Thanks again for all your help.
Best regards
Chris |
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Melynda
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Posted - 27 Oct 2007 : 7:33:47 PM
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Neither Careless Rapture nor Miss Mooresfield has got any stud book references. Both are by thoroughbred stallions Sheffield (GSB XXVIII p.960) and Blandford ( GSB XXV p. 87).
I haven't found the two mares listed in any sites with thoroughbreds.
They obviously got quite a large amount of thouroughbred in them. They could even be unnamed thouroughbreds out of thouroughbred mares. As they haven't been registered they can not be included as pure thouroughbreds as pedigree can't be verified.
If I find any further references to them in the Hunter Stud Book or elsewhere I will post it.
I found one more Careless Rapture gelding born 1956 (High Society).
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Info Sponge
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Posted - 28 Oct 2007 : 3:12:25 PM
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Thanks for that Melynda, I will keep an eye out to see if you come up with anything.
Best regards,
Chris |
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Natalie M
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Posted - 01 Nov 2007 : 12:44:04 AM
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Following on from Lynda, I agree BE VERY CAREFUL of All Breeds - As she says, if Jamboree 1957 is registered as a Partbred - what was Careless Rapture?. Not necessarily a 3 yr old TB
As you can see there are a few more thoroughbred Careless Raptures!
Careless Rapture 1944 F King of Trumps II - Divinity
Careless Rapture 1954 F Ruthless - Flying Quex
Careless Rapture 1961 F No Worry - Mademoiselle
Careless Rapture (USA) 1979 F Bold Commander (USA) - Bags In Orbit (USA
Careless Rapture (AUS) 2001 C Danehill Dancer (IRE) - Our Rita (GB
There is also a 1982 Anglo Arab in AASB 11
1982 b f by Sheer Insouciance out of Vivat Regina by Neron bred by Mr. D. Hardcastle.
Will see if I can delve further to help
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Melynda
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Posted - 01 Nov 2007 : 09:34:41 AM
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I think we have found the correct Careless Rapture (foaled 1942 by Sheffield)as I mentioned in my earlier reply.
She is listed as Jamboree's (and several other part-bred arab horses) dam. Her owner and breeder Miss P. Curry, The Grange, Near Crediton, Devon is also the owner of several other TB and part thoroughbred mares which have been used in breeding Hunter Stud Book registered horses, they have mostly been covered by Rih El Gharb (by Rifari). There are also some geldings in the book, I would have thought they would have been registered with the H.I.S. due to showing.
This Careless Rapture has not got a registration number in the book and her dam has been named as Miss Mooresfield (by Blandford) in the later H.S.B. but in the earlier volumes she was only refered to as "(Hunter) by Blandford" so it makes one think that she did not have full papers. Looking at Miss Curry's other mares they have all got proper registration details if they are noted as thoroughbreds. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 02 Nov 2007 : 12:42:25 AM
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| I agree, Carless Rapture 1942, is the correct one.Thank you Melynda.. Sue |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 02 Nov 2007 12:43:30 AM |
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