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NatH
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Posted - 16 Oct 2007 :  4:53:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NatH to your friends list Send NatH a Private Message
Lila ~ I'm not sure if he is pure Crabbet but if he's not he must be a high percentage Look him up on All Breeds - African Emir

Oddellie ~ I believe Kismet was by African Gold, who was the sire of my stallion [his picture is in my signature]. I remember her as a youngster at Moat House ~ she was a lovely filly and I'm sure she has turned out into a lovely mare.

Natalie
Chapel Lane Arabians
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Dot
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England
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Posted - 16 Oct 2007 :  5:57:41 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dot to your friends list Send Dot a Private Message
Now the problem as I see it for the pure crabbet arab is that it is now becoming very inbred and has a shrinking gene pool. Never a good thing.

Dot

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Lila
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Posted - 16 Oct 2007 :  8:50:33 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lila to your friends list Send Lila a Private Message
That is why I suggested to get some from Australia. Because they still have a larger gene pool and different to ours. They have alot of Riffal descendents and also Abiram ones.
So we would get the bay colour back as well as new genes.
Monique

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pat ww
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Posted - 18 Oct 2007 :  11:12:36 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
Is African Emir at stud or for sale? I have seen him tied to his trailer at a show, just like any old gelding, lovely temperament. I thought he was all Crabbet or must be very high percent if not, and virtually the only bay I can think of.

I might be able to breed to Sibelius by Ghibli next year, anyone know his percentage?
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Barabia
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  12:29:26 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
African Emir is 99,80%+ Crabbet, 100% Old English! He has one line to Algol (75%) via Farette. ALL the other lines in his pedigree is 100% Crabbet. Would be nice to see a picture of him!!


Edit: I'll check up the % for Sibelius tomorrow!

Bia


Edited by - Barabia on 19 Oct 2007 12:36:32 AM
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georgiauk
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  06:37:54 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add georgiauk to your friends list Send georgiauk a Private Message
Bia, I have added his picture to All Breeds, he's stunning
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NatH
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  09:11:54 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NatH to your friends list Send NatH a Private Message
I knew you'd all like Mooey {African Emir] ladies

If anyone would like any further information about this wonderful special boy, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Mooey is not for sale & doesn't really stud a public stud but I'm trying to encourage his owner that he needs to be She is a very knowledgable lady and used to be Head Groom for one of the big studs in the 1980s/1990s.

I do have a couple of piccies that I could email you to post here, if you wish but I'm computer illerate

Natalie
Chapel Lane Arabians
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nikki
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  10:11:55 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nikki to your friends list Send nikki a Private Message
wow he's lovely-please persuade her Nat, i'd love to look into using him

pagey
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NatH
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  11:05:45 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NatH to your friends list Send NatH a Private Message
I'm sure she will.

I suppose the more enquiries she gets for him, the more it will encourage her

Natalie
Chapel Lane Arabians

Edited by - NatH on 19 Oct 2007 11:56:00 AM
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Cassie
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  11:27:03 AM  Show Profile  Click to see Cassie's MSN Messenger address Bookmark this reply Add Cassie to your friends list Send Cassie a Private Message
Hi

You will have to excuse my ignorance but what is SCID? I have an Crabbet/Old English/General Stud book she also has abit of Polish She is 66% (she is the one in my sig) and I want to put her in foal next year and I would like to show in Crabbet Classes So I need a high percentage Stallion. I am looking at a stallion who is 99.5% what will that give me.

Christine

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MinHe
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England
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  12:39:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MinHe to your friends list Send MinHe a Private Message
Originally posted by Cassie

Hi

You will have to excuse my ignorance but what is SCID? I have an Crabbet/Old English/General Stud book she also has abit of Polish She is 66% (she is the one in my sig) and I want to put her in foal next year and I would like to show in Crabbet Classes So I need a high percentage Stallion. I am looking at a stallion who is 99.5% what will that give me.

Christine


SCID is a condition whereby a foal - if it inherits a particular gene from *both* sire & dam - is born without a functioning immune system, and therefore dies withing a few weeks/months of complications (usually pneumonia) following on from a normally minor infection.

A horse which only has one copy of the gene will be perfectly healthy BUT can pass the gene on to its offspring - this is a SCID carrier horse. It is possible for 2 carrier horses to produce a string of healthy foals (ones which inherit just one copy of the gene = SCID carriers - or who don't inherit the gene at all = SCID clear), but the risk is always there that they will produce an affected foal. That is why testing is important - it allows owners to make the decision whether to take the risk of mating 2 carriers, or to breed in the security of knowing that one or both parents are SCID free.

SCID is very widespread in the Arab, so it is not possible to remove all SCID carriers from the breed. However, the test is fairly cheap, so it is worthwhile having it done so you know exactly the status of your mare, and can chose a stallion accordingly.

Keren
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Barabia
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  10:25:01 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
WOOW.. African Emir is really a lovely Boy!!! His damline goes to Queen Of Sheba, which I think is not so common?

Pat, I've checked Sibelius.. and he is 93,51% Crabbet (93,505855%) and has a line to Courthouse via g-grand dam Dil Kushi! Double Ludo (tripple Blue Domino) and double Indian King among other famous ones can only be good!!

Bia


Edited by - Barabia on 19 Oct 2007 10:25:59 PM
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pat ww
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Posted - 19 Oct 2007 :  11:16:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
Thank you for doing the percentage. He has been an under used stallion, as has African Emir, due to their location in North Wales which could only support a few stallions and there were more popular sires available.

It would be a shame to lose these bloodlines, neither is a young horse.
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Barabia
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Posted - 20 Oct 2007 :  4:35:37 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Barabia to your friends list Send Barabia a Private Message
You're welcome Pat.
Lets hope they can get some foals before it's to late!!

Bia

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MinHe
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Posted - 22 Oct 2007 :  12:31:18 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MinHe to your friends list Send MinHe a Private Message
Originally posted by pat ww

Thank you for doing the percentage. He has been an under used stallion, as has African Emir, due to their location in North Wales which could only support a few stallions and there were more popular sires available.

It would be a shame to lose these bloodlines, neither is a young horse.


Dil Kushi is the single source of the Basilisk line, and if it hadn't been for Eileen, the family wouldn't exist today. They are bl**dy top class horses for showing, doing - the lot and deserve to be kept going.

Pat, got your email - very, *very* sorry for not having replied, but my email has been completely trashed by Virgin's 'service improvement', which is why I haven't got back to you. Will try to sort it out Monday evening and get in touch.

Keren
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pat ww
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Posted - 22 Oct 2007 :  8:24:00 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pat ww to your friends list Send pat ww a Private Message
Hi Keren, thank you, will wait to hear from you.
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