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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 03 Sep 2007 : 11:09:34 PM
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Anyone with the Old Hunter Improvement & Light horse stud books for Mares born in 1942. We are trying to locate/trace SYLVIA VI. registered hunter HSB.10592.
She was the dam of Mr Sun Tan & Roundhills Golden Finale both Palomino's, anyone know anything about her or her owners from those days....Thank You.. Sue
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 07 Sep 2007 11:49:33 AM
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dormouse
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Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 09:17:32 AM
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| If no one has got a copy you could try contacting Sport Horse Breeding of Great Britain and seeing what information that they are allowed to give you. Tel - 01732 866277. It might be nothing but surely worth a try if nothing else turns up. Also keep an eye out on ebay as i've seen some old Hunter Improvement/Light Horse Stud Books coming up for sale on there for not a horrendous price. Sorry not to be more helpful. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 10:24:49 AM
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Great minds think alike, I looked on ebay yesterday and there was one but it was earlier years, will speak to Sports Horse GB, but they are a new organisation and thought I could do with some one from the Hunter & Light Horse / Hunter Improvement Scheme fromjust after the war.
Thanks very much for your help.Sue |
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dormouse
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Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 11:02:45 AM
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Sport Horse Breeding & Hunter Improvement Society/Light Horse Breeding Society are one and the same organisation that has changed its name as they have deemed their place in the horse industry has changed. Sport Horse Breedings headed paper informs you that they were founded in 1886 as H.I.S. If it helps put things into order for you the link below is for their website listing the organisations history.
http://www.sporthorsegb.co.uk/general/about_us.htm
Hope they can help & good luck. |
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indi
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Posted - 04 Sep 2007 : 8:45:28 PM
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Rozy Rider, Hope you find this out, because Sylvia IV is in my horse's breeding too
Good luck! |
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Melynda
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 7:03:35 PM
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Re: Sylvia VI HIS 10592
Grey, star, iron grey on quarters, off fore and both hindlegs white. Foaled 1942. Height 14.3.
Owner, Miss Faith K. Banbury, The Hall Farm, Swithland, Loughborough, Leicester.
Prize: 1955 Premium, HIS.
Produce:
1955 Chestnut, colt by Mayfair III (Vol. XXXII, p. 1053), by Macaron.
Info taken from Hunter Stud Book Vol. XVIII p. 192.
Mayfair III, chestnut, 16.1hh foaled in 1944 by Macaron (by Chateau Bouscaut) out of Ginevra (by Ortello. Bred in France.
Hope this is of some help, have got a few of the stud books at home.
Will have a look in later books if any more produce was registered. |
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Melynda
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 8:02:39 PM
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Re: Roundhills Golden Finale
I've corrected his breeding on sire side on allbreed pedigree as he had the wrong Monument listed (the Hanoverian).
Fleche Bleu was also a thoroughbred HIS premium stallion. |
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indi
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 8:27:27 PM
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| Melynda, Is that the same Sylvia? You've written Sylvia VI, not IV? |
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Melynda
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 8:37:57 PM
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In the stud book she is named SYLVIA VI the registration number is the same 10592 so I would strongly believe it is the same horse.
Also Mr Sun Tan is by the same HIS stallion Mayfair III so Sylvia VI
had an offspring for 1955 (colt, chestnut) and then Mr Sun Tan in 1956 (colt, palomino)both by Mayfair III. Allbred says Sylvia IV/Sylvia52 but I think it should be Sylvia VI unless HIS Stud book got a printing error. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 06 Sep 2007 : 9:31:46 PM
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| Brill job Melynda, Thanks very much for your help, I did try to ring Sports Horse this week but the girl they gave me was away on hos till next week..you've beaten them to it, we'd only got the two off springs, so now we know there were three. has anyone got a name for the third.. I guess both Flech Bleu & Mayfair we stationed in Leicestershire or near as HIS stallions, I remember the scheme well, will now try and trace the owner of Sylvia VI and do the previous search with the Irish Horse Board etc. just in case she's there as VI. We were trying to find out a little more about her breeding, just in case anything else comes to mind/light...Great Work Thanks a lot.. If we get a name for the third foal we can enter it on all breeds... Sue |
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sarahlock
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 2:26:47 PM
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| Thats what it said on the piece of paper that Josie from the Legend stud gave me , she was 15.2hh & grey , although she was Sylvia VIII !Well at least the colour was right ha ha |
     
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Melynda
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 4:39:57 PM
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Both Mayfair III and Fleche Bleu were owned by J. H. Wheatley, Forge Stud, Twycross, Atherstone, Warwickshire. Mayfair III travelled to Leicestershire, Fleche Bleu to Essex, Leicetershire and Staffordshire.
Mayfair III 1950 - 12 mares - 3 foals
1951 no figures in stud book
1952 - 78 mares - 55 foals
1953 - 64 mares - 42 foals
1954 - 5 mares - 5 foals then sustituted for Noble Manna
1955 - no figures in book
1956 - no figures in book
1957 - 58 mares - 31 foals
1958/59 no more figures in book
Fleche Bleu 1959 - 84 mares - 43 foals (Essex)
1960 - 95 mares - 64 foals (Leics.)
1961 - 108 mares - 63 foals (Leics.)
1962 - 83 mares - 43 foals (Leics.)
1963 - 79 mares - 52 foals (Staffs.)
Have only got the books up to 1963 (any newer books would be gladly bought. Fleche Bleue died March 1970.
As Mayfair has not got any stud records for 1955 I am wondering if the chestnut colt of 1955 could be Mr Sun Tan??? or perhaps he could just have been used privately in 1955.
There are no breed details for Sylvia VI.
Happy to have been able to help you. Love looking through old stud books.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 07 Sep 2007 : 6:26:29 PM
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| OMG...Bluudy Marvelous.. & Sun Tan was born in 1956 so it was'nt him. |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 07 Sep 2007 8:53:27 PM |
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kastell
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Posted - 08 Sep 2007 : 09:57:18 AM
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| That's great info, if you're going to contact the owner Sue please keep us informed, would love to know her breeding, would fill in a gap for my mares breeding! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 09 Sep 2007 : 12:00:03 AM
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I'd bet she's Irish,although found nothing on the IHB for this mare. and if I find out anything out,will keep you posted.
Still need the date of birth for Roundhills Golden Finale...if anyone can add it....Thanks Sue |
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 28 Dec 2007 11:06:19 PM |
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