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Treasure
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alistair leslie
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 Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 09:33:40 AM
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What will the cost of insurance be for next year?
If the amount is known to the members they can decide if the personal cost is greater or lesser than the current cost of this year's loss to them personally.
I believe we would pay the insurance supplement ,just like going on holiday .
Like several things in the membership's attitude to the Society their needs to be clarity and maturity, possibly a reality check.
I firmly believe the attempt by the AHS to be all things to all members is setting us up for dissappointment
For example the magazine should be on subsciption ...etc
What if you insured yourself against cancellation ? |
    
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alethea
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 09:37:37 AM
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I was just wondering what the general vibe is from those who entered? Are most people going to opt for the 80% refund?
Alethea
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cazza
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Heather Brown
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 10:16:27 AM
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There is no contradiction. I was one of those who tried to get to the showground on the Sunday before the show.
I came, as many do, from M5 J7 and went towards Malvern (past worcester). The road goes over the river which should be a matter of metres wide; it was more like two miles wide. Where it had broke the banks it wasn't just a few inches over the land; only the very tops of the post and rail were poking out and there was a serious current/flow of all the water. Equally coming from the south, Upton upon Severn was in crisis. The showground itself wasn't under water, indeed they were looking at using the showground as refuge from the waters for Upton evacuees. However, a river had flowed through the main ring leaving damage, the ground was so sodden that getting lorries on and off and safety in the ring were compromised,and I don't suppose the temporary stables would have been too nice either. Access was at that time impossible, the rivers were still rising and water supplies had started to get contaminated. All were agreed that cancellation was the only option.
As Jayne states the AHS do have insurance just not for cancellation in the event of Force Majeur (Act of God), as is quite common with these type of events. Perhaps members would rather pay a compulsory fee of up to 20% to insure rather than have the opportunity to donate voluntarily in the event of cancellation; of course this would be best for the AHS but it would seem somewhat illogical. As has been stated earlier, if the AHS was relying on insurance paying out then the event probably couldn't have been cancelled until the first day of the show and that would have been very unpleasant for most if not all involved.
This decision is a personal decision for each, the AHS have given the exhibitors the choice and sincerely appreciate any generosity.
Edited to correct my appalling grammar - was rushing out at the time |
Edited by - Heather Brown on 22 Aug 2007 11:44:59 AM |
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Nic
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 11:03:07 AM
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I think if most people are going to treat the AHS as they should which essentially it belongs to the members and is not an income making business then we should all be happy with 80% or less if we choose.
Otherwise membership cost etc might go up. If that happens we might end up with less members and less registered horses. That would be a disaster.
I personally would prefer to lose 20% one year than pay an extra 20% every year to cover the cost of cancellation insurance.
In all this can everyone please just take a minute again to think of all those people who have lost memories in the floods or their lives. I believe 3 people died - insurance would not have helped there. |
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SueB
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 11:12:52 AM
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At last, someone has remembered people who lost homes and people who died.
As for putting an extra 20% on top of entry fees for next year onwards, I would think long and hard before this is entered into.
Sorry I don't go with the climate change whitewash, but feel that this was such an extraordinary circumstance it surely may not happen again in our life time, I could be wrong.
If you look at the Royal Lancashire Show, they gave no choice and only returned 50% of the entry fees. AHS members have not done bad at all.
If it was me running it, I would not have given you all a choice.... don't vote for me in the future
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pat day
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 11:17:13 AM
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I spoke to Maggie yesterday, I will be leaving my money with the ahs, this equals three classes, 3 nights stable, and a donation, but the £1OO sponsorship for the Novice Ridden championship I would like back, or preferably carried over for next year.
I received the lovely catalogue through the post.
Whats gone is gone, I am just more done we didnt get there.
Hopefully it will be fourth time lucky for next year.
I realise some will want the refund for other shows, which is totally understandable, but this was our one and only show, and not so in my case.
So, my loyalty is with the ahs on this one guys.
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giggsy
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 4:22:15 PM
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| We have experienced freak weather and as a result we have lost a show. Many people have lost their homes and properties not to mention livestock. I am personally pleased to be receiving 80% back and whilst having missed a show get on with looking forward to the next show and thank my lucky stars that I lived in Devon and have not experienced the horrors that the bad weather brought. Bet there is a heat wave and drought at next years Nationals!! |
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Tahir
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Posted - 22 Aug 2007 : 10:24:14 PM
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I would love to donate all of my entry and stabling fees to the AHS, sadly I really cannot afford to, therefore I am more than happy to accept an 80% refund.
I have had my girl professionally produced and trained purely for "our" national show (my choice I know) - I really wanted her to enjoy herself and hopefully promote her sire.
I could have bought another horse for the amount of money I have spent on getting her prepared for just this one show (personal circumstance dictated). So, for me, 80% of the entry/stabling costs plus the money I saved by not holidaying in Malvern will enable me to take my long-suffering family out for a well deserved meal as a "thankyou" for going without treats this year!!! Will also buy my poor mare a shedload of carrots to say sorry for not taking her to Malvern to strutt her stuff!!!
Whilst we are enjoying these treats, I will remind my extended family just how lucky we are to have escaped the devastating effects of a flood.
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Vera
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 09:29:02 AM
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Isn't it usual for shows to have a disclaimer on the schedule stating that in the event of cancellation something percent of entry fees will be retained for cover admin fees?
I've no idea if it says this on the AHS one but I would not expect 100% of my entry fee's back in the event of cancellation from any show.
Seems a reasonable request to me but what I did think was unreasonable and not the issue here but I didn't get my entry fees back when I had to withdraw Dennis in 2006 and that was despite having a vets cert. They refunded my stabling fees but would not refund my entry fees yet they still removed his name from the catalogue. |
    
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MinHe
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 1:37:13 PM
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Quote from the AHS website - doesn't entirely correlate:
'Annette Hedley, Annette Dixon, Debbie Tyler-Davis, Alec Nott, Heather Brown and Richard Averill have today made the journey with the intention of meeting on the Three Counties Showground at Malvern to make a decision on whether or not to go ahead with the show.
At 3pm the attempt to reach the showground had to be abandoned: the showground is inside a serious disaster area and flood water levels continue to rise. Debbie has spoken by phone to the Nick Vincent, Chief Executive of the Three Counties Agricultural Society, who has said that it will be impossible for the show to go ahead.'
So who is telling the truth here?
I don't see any inconsistency in the above statement. An AHS delegation went to examine the showground to see if it was feasible for the show to go ahead, HOWEVER, they were unable to get there to see the sitution for themselves and were told *by the CEO of the 3 Counties showground* that the show would have to be cancelled.
Therefore, the 3 Counties cancelled the show, not the AHS. The AHS merely had the thankless task of relaying the news to the membership.
What strikes me forcibly about this and the other thread on the subject is that hardly anyone has stopped to consider how everyone at Windsor House and Council feel *personally* about this: as an event organiser myself, I think they must all have felt completely sick and downhearted. How would YOU feel if you saw months of hard work go down the pan? And then they get kicked in the guts by the entrants for something that was NOT their fault!
I do wish people would stop to reflect now and then that even the staff at Windsor House and members of Council are HUMAN too, and have FEELINGS. They are not the malicious robots you would take them for, the way people talk about them.
(Off my soapbox now!)
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angel2002
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Treasure
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 2:41:57 PM
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The point I was alluding to, apparently badly was who cancelled. There is no dispute over the reason to cancel, sadly, as it affected everyone from Show organisers to exhibitors to spectators. What I wanted to know was if it was cancelled by Three Counties (as was suggested on the AHS wbsite) - and they had insurance for such occasions, the AHS may not be liable. There seems some confusion here.
No one doubts that people tried their utmost in very difficult circumstances and yes it is a thankless task but if the AHS hadn't got insurance that is surely something to consider for future events IF the host arena doesn't. I do think it is a huge risk NOT to have insurance for such a large event as the National Show. Flood risk has traditionally been on a 1 to 100 year basis - that has to be revised as climate changes impact (whatever the cause!) and therefore Insurance may not be an option but a necessity.
I rather think the suggestion that anyone would call those concerned malicious robots is a considerable exageration! |
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Emma Maxwell
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 6:17:57 PM
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| I agree with Nic - rather lose 20 % this year than pay extra 20 % every year- my maths is quite sufficient to work that one out for the best !! |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 23 Aug 2007 : 9:06:56 PM
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Let's face it, it hasn't exactly been a usual summer. Hopefully this sort of instance won't happen again, but it was as previously said, force majeure, an Act of God (ho hum) and 80% is considerably better than nothing. At the end of the day too, unfortunately, if the AHS lose out, we lose out, because the members ARE the AHS, so in that respect its 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.
Here's hoping for a fabulous Towerlands, some great European shows and a fab season for all next year. |
    
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rosemary
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 09:09:42 AM
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It is not true that it was impossible to get to Malvern on the Sunday because I did! You needed to you the M50 J2 and come through Ledbury and on the B road past Eastnor Castle, through Hollybush and Welland and along past the 3 Counties showground. I always come down for a week's holiday, which I had, but, of course minus the AHS show, which was a great disappointment as, of course, I still had to pay for my hotel for the week. I did spend a lot of time on Friday and Saturday looking at the AA traffic watch, the Environment Agency flood site and the news and contacted my hotel to see if my planned route would be OK.
I don't have any horses, I just come to watch - this was to be my 30th anniversary of attending the AHS show!
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Heather Brown
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 09:41:59 AM
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| It was impossible for exhibitors coming to the show in horseboxes. The route from Worcester and Upton were both closed. The route you used was also suspect as waters were still rising. One of us did get to the showground that way and had problems getting back out. |
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Lynn Tait
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 11:07:51 AM
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| Heather i dont think some of these comments justify an answer i cant believe some people are still picking away at it and cant just accept the show is done for this year we have moved on lets try and get it finished with with as little loss and hassle to everyone.I know some people in the area who are not likely to get back into their home before our show next year they have lost over 30 yrs of memories and other things they will never be able to claim back so lets all get on with our otherwise undisrupted lives and spare a thought for others who have got lots more to grumble about than a horse show. |
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MinHe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 1:40:14 PM
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| Originally posted by rosemary
It is not true that it was impossible to get to Malvern on the Sunday because I did! You needed to you the M50 J2 and come through Ledbury and on the B road past Eastnor Castle, through Hollybush and Welland and along past the 3 Counties showground. I always come down for a week's holiday, which I had, but, of course minus the AHS show, which was a great disappointment as, of course, I still had to pay for my hotel for the week. I did spend a lot of time on Friday and Saturday looking at the AA traffic watch, the Environment Agency flood site and the news and contacted my hotel to see if my planned route would be OK.
I don't have any horses, I just come to watch - this was to be my 30th anniversary of attending the AHS show!
Rosemary
Ledbury centre *was* flooded - also, there was no drinking water in Malvern show week. So that alone would have made it impossible to hold the show.
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MinHe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 1:42:06 PM
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Well said, Lynn!
FWIW, a met office guy said on the radio this week that the Worcs/Glos floods were a 'one in a thousand year event'. Who can be blamed for not foreseeing THAT???
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Debbie
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 2:50:29 PM
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| Isn't it time to put this subject to bed and look forward not backwards? |
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rosemary
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 4:17:32 PM
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I didn't have an issue with the show being cancelled, I think that was the correct decision, but I did think that people should know that it was in fact possible to get to Malvern, not as stated on the AHS website; and I didn't have to go through any flood water, the biggest hazzard was abandoned cars! I know that my route was the only one passable until late Monday pm when Worcester was re-opened, but the lorries for the supermarkets were using my route, so it was certainly possible for any vehicle - just a long way round if you were coming from the north.
I know that the show could not have gone ahead, but that doesn't stop me being disappointed! |
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SueB
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 4:43:28 PM
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The fact that someone could have got through to the show ground surely is not the issue here, or what was posted on a website. The important factor must have been the police and rescue 'bodies' who rightly so would have been well peed off with some selfish horse owners struggling, come what may, to get to a horse show when all around them people were in dispair and distrought at losing everything.
Surely our police had enough to do without the worry of horseboxes blocking up the road too?
Why can't this web site delete or lock this stupid on-going thread?
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pleasures
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Posted - 24 Aug 2007 : 5:06:55 PM
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On a purely personal note and only as a spectator please lets not have any more of this it has got out of hand and things may be said that will be regretted later. It was only after all a horse show albeit a very important one for many people but please lets keep it in perspective and remember the horrendous suffering that many people and animals endured. There will be other years in which to enjoy your show again unlike for many others who lost livelihoods and in some cases lives.
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