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Geena
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England
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 Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 12:32:03 PM
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I once went to one of these types of shows. They did an array of amazing things but not once did they look like they wanted to do it  I was only 12 when I went and unfortuantly the show I went to one of the friesian horses(sorry about the spelling!)who was doing a display of how they sat like dogs one in each corner of the arena when he had a heart atteck and died during the display. What was worse than him dying it looked like part of the display but after a few moments you could see the panicked look on the riders face as he was trying to get his leg out from underneath as his horse was still suffering last nerves and twitching. They dimmed the light and put accoss the tannoy the horse was sick and to take all small children out of the arena. We just waited where we were to due to an elderly relative. They untacked him tied his legs together then got a small tractor out and dragged him back to the stables  What was worse they put out an annoucement that the horse had died Needless to say followed by alot of crying people in the crowd.
I was amazed not once did they cover the horse or give the horse some dignaty in death. I will never go to one of these shows ever again. I was horrifed by this lack of love and care for these horses. He was treated more like a broke machine that a suffering horse.
So sad that image will stay with me for my life |
  
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goldenballs
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England
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Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 2:11:04 PM
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That is such a tragic thing to have had witness and truly understand how awful it must of been also that it it is an image that will stay in your mind forever...Very sorry for that.
Before we bash this lot too much lest we forget the numerous 2year olds running distances of over a mile almost every day in GB,thats before we start counting the overall death toll on British Racecourses throughout the year. Is it not also "Entertainment"?? Oh, No... Its ok as its a "Sport" !!!HUH!!! ?? ...P-L-E-A-S-E !
Also very tragic... and unintentional.
But, as I said before...there are a whole load of threads in my mind to stir the imagination for the future!!
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redcomet
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England
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 3:27:41 PM
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| i hav seen 2 yrs in a row and plan to go this yr to. the horses all seemed quite happy, but last yr 1 ofnicky fossetts arabs made a blip and really flinched away from her as if it was expecting a crack of the whip. i do think that sometimes these horses r trained by negative reinforcement, but how many horses swish their tales in other disiplins? i thought all looked in great cond in stables after show though so suprised to hear bad feedbak from the show. undecided wether to go now! |
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suneanarab
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 5:14:39 PM
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goldenballs i really don't get your attitude towards it all. we have all commented on racing 2yr olds at some point and no-one is saying that that is right either. we are all commenting on this particular subject as that is what debbie has written about. we all know that terible things go on in any horse related sport or everyday riding. but it almost seems as though you are trying to suggest that it may not all be wrong?
forgive me if i've got your tone wrong, it's a mistake anyone can make in written form, but it does seem like you are trying to argue in their favour? |
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goldenballs
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England
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 11:29:03 PM
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Easy you lot! Im only just into double figures posting haveing "lurked" for over a year!
Be nice. Im new!
(I must keep reminding myself that this is an open forum and that many of us have different veiws on all sorts of subjects) |
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suneanarab
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 09:27:50 AM
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i don't think anyone on here ever intentionally is nasty or anything else on here and all opinions are welcome. we do get heated sometimes in our difference of opinions which is sometimes a good thing as we can all put a different side across. sometimes people put a different side across even if they don't agree with it.
i was just questioning whether you agreed with the way your point seemed to be coming across.
the thing with this site is that we are not 'clicky' to a large extent. this means that you are taken as part of the site straight away and treated like the rest of us lol |
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goldenballs
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England
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 11:35:43 AM
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I am appearing in a show that's along similar lines in October and was a bit shocked at such negative responces to "performing horses"! There is alot more to this sort of thing than the show itself and I do understand that the general points of veiw are what I would call Animal Rights/Anti issues, but I think thats because not many people have had any sort of behind the scenes experiances.
I didnt join this forum to make enemies!!! |
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goldenballs
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England
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 11:37:44 AM
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| And No! Im not great with words...plus I type with 2 fingers...very slow! |
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Deboniks
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England
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Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 12:04:41 PM
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I wasn't complaining that it was a horse circus,in fact I was looking forward to seeing beautiful horses which were beautifully trained There's this guy in the USA TOMMY TERVY,I've posted about him before He is part of THE EQUINE EXTREMIST team. They do stunts for films and horse shows but their horses are trained in a much kinder way.He doesn't need to jab firmly with spurs at his horses side to make it do a spanish walk for instance. He uses methods that the horse understands and that's why his horses look willing. Like I said before anyone can make a horse do something by using fear and intimedation, it's nothing special If you love horses you would take the time it takes to to achieve things in a better way There are many of us who can see what is really going on by looking at the body lauguage of a horse.You have to look a the whole of the horse for symptoms,you can't tell by one symptom aloneIMO there are different types of horse owners,horse lovers,who do everything they can to understand the needs of their horses by trainning and handling them in a way the horses understand and.... the other type!
90% of horses are performing horses in one way or another, there's nothing wrong with that so long as they are mentally and physically fit. IMO if you spend as much time on mental fitness as you do physical fitness, your horse performs 100% better
Whatever you do with a horse.....keep it's dignity entact
excuse spellings! I type with 2 fingers to!
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Gail
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 4:15:46 PM
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I absolutely agree with Debbie. It is all about mutual respect. All of these horses who have jobs whether they are showjumpers, racehorses,performimg horses or whatever we have to remember that first and foremost they are horses and have certain needs in life.
If we look at just one of the values a horse has eg to be part of a social group and roam freely and then look at the value a racehorse owner has eg a horse must be stabled in isolation. It doesn't take much thought to realise that this will affect the horses mental well being.
Our horses cannot roam freely but they can have turnout and play in social groups. Some racehorse owners do allow turnout of some sort but mostly they are stabled.
It is worth thinking of the values that we have and then consider how the horse will be affected by our values.I dont mean to offend anyone, I got a broken down racehorse at the end of his short career with more mental and physical problems than I could umagine,now he is a very different animal so I can talk from experience.
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goldenballs
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England
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 7:06:52 PM
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| I agree too! If anyone on here has met icon I think they would confirm that we have have massive mutual respect for each otherand that he has a pretty fulfilled lifestyle, and is very happy in his work and play! |
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saddlebred
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Aug 2007 : 10:12:39 PM
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Hi Suzanne
I havent met Icon but seen lots of photos and he wouldnt have got to where he is without ultimate trust and respect. I am sure people dont think that all performing horses do so through fear. They have just seen a particular performance that caused them concern.
I did see a horrible one myself at the HOYS in 2005 though. It was Jean Francois... something. He was forcing a horse to jump over another horse lying down and the horse was clearly very worried about it and refused several times. It turned my stomach - I was worried sick he was going to land on his poor friends legs.
Where is your demonstration? I would love to go. I think Icon and Idolo are stunning. Some horses are born to perform and I think we should encourage them to display their individuality if they offer it. My old boy used to do loads of tricks - bowing, kissing me etc and he loved it. Life would certainly be boring if we could only watch the same old things.
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Edited by - saddlebred on 21 Aug 2007 10:17:06 PM |
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