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Barabia
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2007 : 5:19:13 PM
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Hi Jan, I will check her up.. but it might take some days! She has Egypt/Spanish/Polish and English incl Crabbet - lines as I see at a quick look, but I need to sort them out correctly!
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Slave 2 Magic
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Posted - 27 Aug 2007 : 2:03:37 PM
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Thankyou Bia that would be great. This is from our show yesterday. Came 2nd and she was a very good girl!
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Barabia
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Posted - 31 Aug 2007 : 7:14:00 PM
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Congratulations Jan & Magic for the 2nd place, she is a beauty!!
She is approx 47% GSB (English), 25% Egypt, 15,5% Polish and 12,5% Spanish.. nearly all lines incl. 55,5% Crabbet.
Her paternal grandsire Kerim Shah is 100% SE (Straight Egyptian) - granddam's sire Procyon is 100% Spanish & her dam Pallida is 100% Crabbet. Maternal grandsire Argos is 100% Polish and you can see him in the fifth generation also on the dams side. In Magic's fourth generation you can see Manto, Blue Iris, Indian Magic, Crystal King.. all being 100% Crabbet!
Sireline: SAKLAWI I Or.Ar. trough Morafic (Nazeer x Mabrouka)
http://www.camelotfarmsarabians.com/gp_morafic.html
Damline: FERIDA Or.Ar. trough Ferda (Rustem x Feluka) Crabbet.
http://www.arieana.com/nbferda.html#ferda
Strain: Managhieh Hedrujieh (of Maneghi Ibn-Sbeyli)
Good luck with her in the future!
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Slave 2 Magic
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Posted - 01 Sep 2007 : 7:53:10 PM
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| Thank you so much Bia. I don't know where you get all your information from but its fantastic! Its nice to know Magic's breeding as I may decide to put her in foal one day and it helps with the choice of stallion. |
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Barabia
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Posted - 02 Sep 2007 : 12:42:21 AM
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My pleasure Jan, thank you!
Research, research and research all over again.. snap something up here and there, read a lot of books, study pedigrees, learning from knowledge people, thats my way to do it.
I just wish that I could know much, much more.. and faster!!
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jackiedo
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 3:41:16 PM
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| Oh, we are all so cheeky!! but, I wonder if you could also look at my mare's pedigree. I am a novice on this, I have been told she has old English lines. She is called Zarello (on all breeds) and she has a colt foal at foot by Cas Ravel. |
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jackiedo
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 3:43:45 PM
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| meant to say. you can see the babypics on Zarello's foal, more pictures on new arrivals. I would love to know where the blaze and 4 whites came from! |
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Barabia
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 6:01:10 PM
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I'm on to it 'jackiedo'! I'll check the sire to.. for your lovely colt!!
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Barabia
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Posted - 11 Sep 2007 : 10:19:33 PM
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Hi Jackie!
Zarello is 94,48%+ Crabbet, and Woow what a nice pedigree!!
3 x Count Dorsaz, 2 x Oran, 2 x Algol close up (third to fifth generation)!
There you have a lot of white to her colt, but there are several others who also give much white. You can click on 'Reports - Photos' at Allbreed and then all pic's of ancestors will show up.
Zarello's sireline is ZOBEYNI Or.Ar. trough Mahruss. Damline is RODANIA Or.Ar. trough Rose Of Sharon. Strain: Kehilah Adjuz (Rodania).
Zarello is 'pure-in-the-strain' to Rose Of Sharon (Rodania). That means.. both her parents tail-female lines is the same.
Cas Ravel is 49,52%+ Crabbet with Russians on the sires side with a dash of Polish incl' Crabbet/Old English. His dam is mostly Crabbet/OE with a dash of Polish.
Their colt is 72% Crabbet. Sireline BAIRACTAR Or.Ar. trough Amurath, and his damline is the same as mum!
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jackiedo
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 07:04:13 AM
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| wow, thank ou so much. When I bought Zarello she had been found at a really bad sale (pannal) pitifully thin , with scarred legs and a foal at foot by a coloured stallion who was not expected to live. My friend bought her (as she has a soft spot for arabs) and kept her 3 years until I bought her. I have had her since she was 11, but I am nervous about breeding, especially having seen how she turned up. I got in touch with her breeder, who said she was well bred and that we should have a foal, but this is the first chance we have had to stop riding her. I really wish he had been a girl! Everyone has been really helpful in my quest for information. I would like to show the foal in the future. I showed Zarello once at local level and she got best Arab (even with her scarring) but we got asked to leave the veteran class because they thought we were cheating !!! We have a party trick with horse dealers, we don't let them look at her mouth then ask, guess the age. Usually they guess 9 or 10, (she's 22 next!) |
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tamila
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 08:11:32 AM
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| Sorry to say this but I was under the impresion that Negatiw was part Crabbet which would make Argos part Crabbet as well. I may be wrong but my two Argos 'great grankids' have come back with more Crabbet than I thought and I assumed that the difference came from Negatiw after looking at his pedigree. I may be wrong as I am not the best at numbers. Please correct me if I am wrong and I shall look again at their pedigrees and see if the extra comes from somewhere else. |
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Barabia
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 3:54:38 PM
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Jackie, my pleasure! Now when she is feeling so good, why don't you bred her ones more? 22 y isn't very old for a mare who not have foaled many times!
Pauline, you're right. Negatiw is 50% Crabbet, which gives Argos 12,5%. Have I done something wrong I don't find your boys.. have I counted on them before?
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jackiedo
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 4:39:46 PM
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| We wanted something from our mare, obviously we had hoped for a girl, but I keep my horses at livery, and , by the time I have paid the stud fee, extra livery, transport costs, pre mating vet checks and tests, and mare was injured at stud and needed vet, extra food (not provided under livery agreement, (stud mix) scans and blood tests, registration fees I would be unlikely to even recoup my costs, so just to produce a foal to sell is not practical for me. And that is if everything goes ok!!! |
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Barabia
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 5:17:17 PM
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I do understand your situation Jackie, we never know what can happen before a foal is on the ground!! I was hoping for a foal next year, but the mare had a bad colic at the Stud, and went through a major surgery! She is still at the Stud over the winter and will be covered (if all goes well) next year. Here's hoping!!
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tamila
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Posted - 12 Sep 2007 : 5:19:02 PM
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| You didn't do mine. i have the certificates for them. They are Rimarli and Tamila. They are 86.?% This meant that Tamila's offspring are 92.?%. This was one of the reasons I wanted to put Anna in foal this year as she is 97.85% being by Nashaal out of Roxanya. Never mind will try next year. |
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natntaz
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 08:24:34 AM
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Bia, sorry to be a pain could you please give me some info on two of mine. Tariq ibn Radfan to start his sire is Obviously Radfan and his dam is Luleiya. I am sure he has a high percentage of crabbet but not excatly sure how much.
Also my mare who is in foal. She is by a little bay stallion called Bajezeth (think spelling her papers are with AHS at moment) and a mare called Szapora. I am interested in the mare more so as she is
in foal to H Tobago so am really excited about what will be coming out lol and would like to know more on blood lines.
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Barabia
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Posted - 16 Sep 2007 : 10:36:39 PM
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Hi Nat,
Tariq is 75,29% Crabbet (roughly 75% Old English/25% Egyptian). His sireline is ZOBEYNI Or.Ar. through Indian King (Oran x Indian Pride) and damline is HAGAR Or.Ar. Strain: Kehilah Adjuz.
I assumed that your mare is Savhanna (?):http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/savhanna (same breeding) and her sires name is spelled Bajazeth!
She is 54,88% Crabbet (roughly 50% OE/28% Russian/22% Egyptian).
Her sireline is also ZOBEYNI Or.Ar. through Noran (Oran x Nerina) and damline is RODANIA Or.Ar. trough Rose Of Sharon.
The foal by H Tobago will be 53,62% Crabbet and a mix of English/Russian/Polish/Egyptian bloodlines (didn't count the % for each one). Sireline: SAKLAWI I Or.Ar trough Nazeer. Damline: Same as mum. Strain: Kehilah Adjuz.
I think it will be a stunning foal!!
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natntaz
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 04:31:44 AM
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Bia, thank you so much thats great i did think from what i remembered that eileen said taz was high in percentage but i have owned him sixteen years nearly so my memory is not so great.
I am also very pleased with Savhanna percentage as i have always
prefered the crabbet influence but i know she has other in her to. She has a very good movement and is very pretty if a little grumpy but she produced a very nice foal last year and i am really hoping that the one by Tobago is a stunner Thank you so much again as
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Barabia
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Posted - 17 Sep 2007 : 5:02:32 PM
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All my pleasure Nat, thank you!
I'm looking forward to see pic's of your horses.. also the 'Tobagobaby' next year! He's gorgeous!!
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Barabia
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Posted - 22 Sep 2007 : 4:02:15 PM
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Oh, thank you very much Kate!
I'm not sure if you've read about my mare before.. I bought her in June and send her to Rusleem for covering. Then she had a bad colic and was operated, so no covering this year. She's still at the stud over the winter, and hopefully all goes well for her!
The sig pic's were taken 8 weeks after surgery!
Here's her pedigree: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/majidah
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tamila
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Posted - 23 Sep 2007 : 08:18:28 AM
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Sorry Birgitta, I was one generation out with my two. They are great-great grandchildren of Argos as their great grandfather was Zehros. I said I couldn't count!
I hope all goes well with your mare next year. Perhaps it will be our yesr to have the foals. |
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