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Marafia1
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 Posted - 04 Jun 2007 : 6:06:12 PM
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I hope someone can assist me with some advice regards my old mare Kiba who is now 32. Last year she lost a lot of weight and we managed to make a great turn around to get her back in condition.Since then we have increased her feed and now give her 9lbs of hard feed with half a tub of fibergy every day reduced to a mash on the advice of our vet and the veteran horse society.This kept her weight on right through winter.
The problem is however that she now has no teeth  and with the rich spring grass she has diahorea resulting in her not getting a chance to absorb the goodness from the food she eats. She struggles as is with the fibergy and can now see her starting to loose weight. She is bright and health in every other way.
Yesterday we started her on a probiotic, Bio premium (PROTEXIN)to try and help her. Are there any other sugestions which may help
regards
Stuart
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rhoni
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jun 2007 : 6:12:56 PM
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Dear Stuart,
It might be worth reducing her access to the lush grass to stop the runs? Good luck with your old lady! |
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LYNDILOU
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Jun 2007 : 6:19:01 PM
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| Oh Stewart, I fear the end is coming soon, I know thats not what you want to hear, but in the wild she would not have reached such a good age especially with no teeth. if no one can help you on this one ( and I think you can only prolong the enevitable for so long) I think you have to consider the time might be close when you must let her go. I thought I could keep Minnie going at least till the end of summer, but she had lost a lot of weight and was clearly in pain, all I wish for you is when the end comes, you let yourselves know that you gave her the very best right up till the end and you will I am sure give her a gentle end to her long life. |
   
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Marafia1
Silver Member
Scotland
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 12:27:31 PM
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rhoni
we are limiting her grazing, no fear we will pull out all the stops for this girl.
Lynda
I really appreciate your post and understand fully what you are saying. This morning she was chortling away running behind me in anticipation for her breakfast. Life in the old girl yet I wrap her in cotton wool and do the best I can. Need a lottery win to get her new teeth though
Kibas full name is Saliha Mirkiba born 1975 sire Rashad 1969 out off Velvet Shadow 1965Someone special to you is from velvet shadow too
thanks
Stuart
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Pasha
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England
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 1:39:55 PM
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| Oh bless her! I've been using probiotics for years now - the best one in my opinion is Pink Powder - is great at settling their tummies and making them feel good again |
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LYNDILOU
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Caro23
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 3:12:38 PM
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Could you try soaked Lucienuts from Simple Systems which they recommend for older horses that cannot chew? Or soaked high fibre nuts?
Wishing kiba all the best |
Caro
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louisejo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 3:23:24 PM
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I am another pink powder fan and have fed it to my boy who suffers with a delicate tummy for a couple of years now with good results.
It is a worry when they get older isn't it trying to do everything possible to keep them in good health. Good luck Stuart, you obviously have a very strong old girl there, who is much loved! |
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mouse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 3:37:30 PM
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Baileys no 1 Cooked Cereal Meal is good for weight gain. Can be fed as a mash and is very appetising. Must be fed in conjunction with other hard feed though - maybe Baileys Top Line Cubes which could also be soaked . Also, soaked sugar beet is an easy one to eat without teeth . Good luck
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Judith S
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Marafia1
Silver Member
Scotland
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 8:27:24 PM
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PINK POWDER IT SHALL BE THEN
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Judith S
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 8:37:02 PM
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Stuart - if you phone the NAF helpline - they are really nice & helpful & full of lots of good advice!
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Timberwolf
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England
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 8:38:13 PM
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Hi Stewart,
Hope the Pink powder gives your old girl a boost. It's so hard watching our cherished horses grow old and become a shadow of their former selves but I believe that as long as they are happy they deserve all the help and chances we can give them. My dear old mare Folly is 28 and luckily in fine health and condition but after reading folks comments on the Pink Powder I think I will start her on it to keep her well.
Good luck to you and Kiba.
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Vera
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 9:30:52 PM
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Stuart,
I agree Pink Power is excellent 
May I ask what you are feeding her?
My friends 37 year old is kept going on Dengie Alfabeet and Hi-FI Senior and looks fabulous.
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Marafia1
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Scotland
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 9:52:11 PM
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Vera
for breakfast she gets (soaked over night)
half tub trug fibergy
2 lb 16 plus
1 lb build up cubes
1 lb pasture nuts
salt
Dinner(soaked over night)
2 lb 16 plus
1 lb build up cubes
1 lb pasture nuts
salt
half mug veg oil
20 ml codliver oil
1 sachet danilon
10 ml probiotic, will run the course of what we have, then switch to pink powder
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Vera
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Posted - 05 Jun 2007 : 10:06:00 PM
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Great she is getting plenty of fibre then
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louisejo
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 10:03:36 AM
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I actually spoke to NAF about whether Pink powder is ok to feed long term and a very helpful lady told me this was fine.
If you have any worries Stuart i would definatly ring them, they are really helpful. |
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arabic
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 2:11:20 PM
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Ditto what louisejo has said - I emailed them after recommendations from here and they were brilliant. The doseage can be adjusted to suit the need and as many have said, it can be used as a balancer. When I looked at the specs I was amazed how it compares with the big name balancers. I put it on the back burner when I found that balancers can encourage weight gain simply by helping them take on board more calories from their food. Freddie is a v good doer and doesnt need this but Pink Powder certainly is amazing!!
Hope you have good results Stuart!
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s.jade
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 2:02:02 PM
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Hi Stuart,
Have you tried soaked grass nuts?
We had given up on our old man, aged somewhere between 36-40+ dependent on how much his previous owner lied about his age (going on the 40+ side I'm SURE) who also has no teeth at all, and though he is now still leaner than we'd like, he is holding the weight he has through these nuts, they make a mash, like a bran mash and you can soak them in hot or cold water, meix with sugar beet, pony nuts if their teeth cope, anything really. The only downside is they make a terrible mess and slobber green gunk all over you....worth it though
Hope Mara is well too, Raffles says hello About to find out this afternoon if he has another little one on the way! |
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tamila
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England
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Posted - 12 Jun 2007 : 2:07:49 PM
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| Try phoning Roger Hatch on 01243 551776 or try Prevent with Lakota salts. Absolutley wonderful for tummies. |
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katherineepea
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 11:48:27 AM
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protexin is amazing. i used it on my little rabbit who wouldnt eat after a tummy upset and we nearly lost him im convinced it was this stuff that brought him back.
suppose you have to feed it in huge amounts to horse? |
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Moira
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Posted - 14 Jun 2007 : 3:22:19 PM
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Hi Stuart,
My friend has a 27 year old mare with only 3 teeth. She feeds her on Graze On, 16+ cubes, Equimins Advance feed balancer and sugar beet.
She used to get Alfa A but couldn't manage the longer stalky bits. Graze on is chopped up very short and is much easier for them to swallow without too much chewing. The 16+ cubes are specially for older horses and easier for them to digest.
Good luck with your mare.
Moira
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Pixie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jun 2007 : 12:14:42 PM
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| Dengie Alfabeet - fab stuff - takes 15mins of hot water to soak, add to that Baileys LoCal. I use ProByiosyne (spelling) by the pink powder people from time to time for 10 days at a time. my gelding is 28. teeth are ok but is a fussy eater. holding his weight is also a problem. he loses weight in 3 days if routine is upset in anyway. Good luck |
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BobandEna
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Posted - 23 Jun 2007 : 11:49:02 PM
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Hi Stuart
If you e-mail me I may be able to help you, my addy is in my sig
Regards
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Judith S
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 24 Jun 2007 : 11:21:06 AM
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Hi Stuart
My 30 year old gelding still has teeth but can't eat hay and long grass. The only thing I would add to what you are giving her is soaked molassed sugar beet and I would give her build-up cubes; very good for getting weight on and keeping it on. I pick up the wispy bits of hay that drop out when I fill the hay nets and mix it in my gelding's feed to give him more fibre and he manages that fine.
Good luck and well done for looking after Kiba so well.
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