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sazzlepants71
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 Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 4:20:53 PM
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i have noticed more and more ridden horses with bridle paths this season, i realise its more seen in the inhand ring .
i have resisted doing the clip so far - but i have to admit it does like smart - do you think i should just stay as i am ??!
i would be interested to hear from other owners if they have found this a dilema in a sense or just stuck to no trimming as it were!
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NatH
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Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 4:33:51 PM
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| I had this dilemma last year and decided to stay as we were |
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heatherr
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Posted - 30 Apr 2007 : 10:53:34 PM
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| I am having the same quandry Sazz. Got as far as sectioning off part of Han's mane, but just couldn't bring myself to do it lol. |
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baymops
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 08:42:03 AM
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| Funnily enough Sarah, there are going to be discussions tonight around Maz's mane! |
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Zan
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 09:14:45 AM
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Please don't do it---this is what happens. A few people start doing something, others follow, and before you know it it's a minority who don't follow the fashion and they feel pressured to follow on and then it becomes the norm. I personally think bridle paths look horrible , they need constant trimming down,if you decide to grow it out again you have a mohiccan horse, and from personal experience years ago with a ridden horse with a traditional bridle path---i.e. a short clipped out path for the bridle---it can be uncomfortable for the horse with a bridle in place (imagine shaved spikey hairs growing through and the feeling under the bridle)
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AkramGold
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 09:29:47 AM
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Have to say I have gone for the shave and everyone says my boy looks so much better it really shows off his neck when he is working and he has definatly done better. Both the shows I have been to this year all horses have been trimmed this way.
He also suffers from sweetich and the top of his mane was the worse place and he is definatly less ichy now. |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 10:42:48 AM
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MMM,interesting feedback already! strangely, i know people that have done better from doing the chop!! although i agree its definately one ofthose peer pressure things , i have resisted so far ..but i have to agree some horse look better with them than others.
baymops , what did you decide? |
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 10:59:30 AM
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I have had this dilemma for years and always said - i "WAS NOT!" GOING TO DO MINE!
Anyhow -
Last year we platted Anna's (NPA Kurrannah)for her ridden classes and it did look tons (IMO) better
Anyhow whilst giving Timmy his final clip in Jan i decided i couldn't cope with having to plait his every show, so we clipped it - and all i can say is WOW! He has always been a preety boy, but it really sets off his head and neck!
I have also done my yearling since - and i can honestly say it really "refines" her as well!
So in future i will be doing ALL of mine! (so much for never!)
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Sheena
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 11:17:40 AM
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I have to say when i first did Sheena's it broe my heart - she has such a beautiful long mane. However half the time it would look untidy over her head piece or fall over her face. With the piece clipped out you can see her so much better and she has a lovely throat latch and cheek to show off IMO  She has never been troubled by stubble coming up, I don't think this is an overly sensitve area for that, she was much more bothered by hari getting trapped over her ear etc. I wouldn't clip absoloutly all horses like this though - it would depend if what they have underneath is going to make them look better or show up that it isn't as nice as others It should always be a personal preference - and I prefer it on most horses.
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Pasha
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 11:27:29 AM
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I could never clip Pasha's - the 12 hairs he have are far too precious  and I'm a bit soppy and love to see the way his mane flops over and catches on his ears  |
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Kash
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 11:32:26 AM
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I have to say that I like them... I've kept Agonia's and will do so when (hopefully!) we go into the ridden ring in the future
Although I'm sure Ramak will look gorgeous either way |
      
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Silvern_Scepris
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 11:33:52 AM
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I was thinking of clipping Andre's bridle path, but they need to be left natural in Crabbet classes, so I left it. I agree with Sheena about the flapping round the ears, Andre's always does that no matter how much you put it back in place! |
  
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Vera
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 11:39:28 AM
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I shall look out for Timmy and his new hair do!!!!!
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NPA Arabians
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 11:45:37 AM
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SueN
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 12:22:22 PM
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Please, please let this discussion on hogging pure bred arab manes stop. Why bother to get an arab if you plan trying to turn it out similar to that of a cob. Traditionally the pure bred has always been kept natural - if the bedoins can go to war for the last few thousand years with a full mane, I'm sure that the showing fraternity
can manage it for a couple of hours. It is a fashion that has arrived from across the water and does nothing to enhance this lovely breed. My pure bred never had his mane touched with a pair of clippers or anything else, either in hand or under saddle, and won.
What will be next? The tail perhaps!
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 12:43:15 PM
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sue i dont think it should stop ( the discussion) its good to hear points of view IMO , i am just curious as to why /what made people change their minds -no need to get cross!!
love or hate it - fashion and trends are the reason why we all show inhand in arab slips and not in inhand bridles anymore how many people do that these days that would 'never' do it.
i do agree though that it is important for uk to have its own identity we breed some lovely horses and that will never change even if hair fashion does!
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SueN
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 12:59:26 PM
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I am not cross, but do feel that it is a ridiculous fashion to follow for no reason whatsoever. This fashion started with American imports, and lemming like, it was taken up over here. In every arab standard that has been written it is stated "shown with full mane and tail". I do not believe this has ever been changed. I agree that it is not as distastful as clipping foals, but it's just an
unnecessary fashion.
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Roseanne
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 1:19:45 PM
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This is becoming a very regular topic for very active discussion and disagreement.
For my own personal taste, I would like it if the AHS banned it, because as Sue says an Arab traditionally has always been shown completely naturally. You wouldn't trim its tail would you? The Blunts would turn in their graves!
A lot of presentation fads have come from the States. Clipping inside ears, shaving off tactile hair, shaving above the eyes, they're all things people here would join in with (since they do produce a 'smoother' look) but they're not very kind.
Having said that, I do ridden showing myself, and like Sazz and Co I am also aware of horses that have performed and achieved better than ever osince being given a long bridlepath. There seems to be a perception that with one there is a more 'professional' appearance. I think the short length left towards the wither looks rather odd but I can see how tempting it is to do, knowing what it's like when you're in a collecting ring with 15 others and 12 have bridle paths! I wouldn't criticise anyone who decides to do it (Sazz!!) as it really is becoming a part of the current accepted showing fashion.
I personally don't intend to cave in yet, but I have the added incentive that my horses live out all year round and I believe they need their manes to direct rain off their heads, faces and necks. Plus my gelding hates clippers so that would be hopeless. Also I think they look just dreadful when growing out and there is the added danger that the hair grows back much coarser, and with chestnuts, you'll find it also grows back grey in some cases; So beware!! |
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Sheena
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 1:28:40 PM
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Silvern Scepris - Sheena won her Crabbet class with a bridle path in She was shown naturelly otherwise but had this in for other showing and so went into her Crabbet class with it.
I think you have to understand that if you are following a 'fashion' simply to be a sheep or lemming as has been suggested but have no idea why you are doing it, apart from 'others do' then fair comment. However I do it as it allows the judge to view from a distance and on closer inspection Sheena's neck, throat latch, cheek etc. She isn't ridden in the desert by a bedoin and so has rather a thick full mane more appropriate to her English Climate. I think as with most things it is good that people have a choice, even if it's just they like the way it looks. It is down to them to make their decision an educated one and understand that something is done for a reason (same with foal clipping) I don't think there is any need to be rude towards people who wish to hold a different opinion to your own - express your personal view by all means.
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baymops
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 1:53:17 PM
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| Decision night is tonight Sazzlepants, but if we decide to go for it it won't be just before his first show which isn't until the NW C show at the end of May. IF we do it I will make it so his bridle sits on his forelock and not on a clipped bit. I am unlike some and like to be "different" and that is why I have never done it before, and it is has never affected his placings IMO, however, I just thought it would be interesting to see how he looks and I am sure it will grow back in no time. If I thought it would cause him pain or discomfort then I would not even consider it. |
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SueN
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 1:54:52 PM
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| It was never my intention to be rude, or give that impression. I do feel that bridle paths are not attractive. Judges are quite capable of walking around an exhibit to see the other side. I dont think any judge would put a horse down because of a flowing mane. If you really want to keep the mane away from ears etc. what is wrong with a single neat plait? |
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bex884
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 1:58:47 PM
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My boy had his bridle path done last year by his previous owner, so I really had no choice but to do it for this year as he looked scruffy with a short bit at the top.
I was nervous about doing it, my previous arab was natural which i liked, however now its done he looks even more handsome than he was before! (shame we didn't actually make to the show this weekend....)
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Roseanne
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 2:18:36 PM
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| Good point Becky; I am sure it'd take an Arab's mane quite a while to grow back to look flowing and natural. So if you're going to do it (for whatever reason) you need to accept that you'll probably have to keep it up or miss a year's showing. |
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Sheena
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 2:32:13 PM
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No I doubt very much a judge would put a horse down, however a judge does have a very limited time to assess a horse. With in hand you are nearly always mane side to the judge and with ridden 50% of your time you are mane side to the judge, so the better they can see your horse for the longer period of time IMO I think would help them in their assesment. Yep - if you don't want to clip a piece out a plait can be just as effective. I just prefer the neatness and longer term effect of a clip.
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 3:16:56 PM
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| hi sue , no i woulkdnt do it to my pba , but i do think there is huge pressure almost , as a ameuture to obviously look as professional as possible not only from the ride but turnout as well ok i am sure there are plenty of winners who havent got them - but i have to say sometimes you do wonder if you are going to fit in that you should....its really just a observation not a necessity..its difficult ! |
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Silvern_Scepris
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Posted - 01 May 2007 : 3:32:10 PM
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| Lol, I've got no excuse now!! I might just plait it for a while to see if it suits him . |
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