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Judith S
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 Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 6:50:26 PM
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Must get my Garmin out & in action again! Sly my grey Arab is VERY fast - will be interesing to see what he does on our very steep Welsh hills! I have had readings for Rufus trotting on our hills of 20 mph!! He LOVES hills - the steeper & longer the better & trot is his pace (being part Saddlebred) - his gallop is also amazingly fast - will be interested to see what his gallop is when hes fit again!
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Fee
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 8:00:03 PM
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Hi,
Thank you for all that information re racing Paul  Can I also ask, do you gallop your horses in training over the distances they will race and how often are they out, twice a day? We don't have the facilities for mile long gallops so it has to be short bursts. I tend to gallop up the hill (will need to measure the distance next time) canter and trot the large loop to the start of the gallop hill and we gallop up it once more. I've never did that more than twice in one session but I will as she gets fitter. I should add that this is half way during a 8 mile hack.
I would love to get Po toned and fit like a racehorse  but she has a LONG way to go though  she is Miss Porky right now with too much haylage over the winter  Hence the move to the mole infested paddock  She is fit but she must loose some pounds. As we continue our fitness programme I am hopeful for some fast speeds being recorded and I hope to find a flatter gallop during our rambling.
Judith please let us know how he goes!
Spyros I'm 41 and I'm defo not stopping galloping!! You're never too old to gallop! C'mon we need the buzz at our age 
Katherineepea they are worth the money though..I ride out with mine all the time..
Mad Arab Rider I did laugh at your last post re the brakes  All too familiar...cantering along, suddenly the view between Po's ears becomes literally 'between the ears' as she spooks at a snowdrop or a piece of grass which looks ever so slightly different from the other pieces of grass 
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Judith S
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 8:08:38 PM
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Will do!! Now have to remember how to work the darned thing - Garmin that is!
Many, many, many years ago I was clocked by the postman at doing well over 35mph on my 13.2hh pony - as he drove alongside me on what was a disused racecourse for a mile or so - pony was PB trotter & was SO fast - he would hunt all day at the front - I couldn't stop him!!!
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spyros
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 8:21:29 PM
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Hi Katherine
Yes they are expensive, you have to buy the Garmin and then buy the various software but a super piece of kit for training and monitoring the fitness progress for you and your horse.
Mad Mare Rider
My horse can hand brake stop, or shy so fast you do not realise its happening until he has disappeared. I had only had him a week he dislocated my finger shying, stopped so fast I was nearly catapulted to Mars, and jumped into the air so high he could have cleared a 5ft fence because a rabbit dared to cross his path. Wondered what I had brought! Anyway we are a happy team now but not a horsey for the faint hearted, so gentle controlled cantering is more for me.
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spyros
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 8:22:29 PM
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Oh Judith
I know how you feel, when I got the Garmin, firstly was so proud of monitoring my route successfully , I managed to deleted all information before downloading
Then I took to my next EGB ride and forgot to charge the dam thing.
Then I mounted my extremely excitable horse ready for a ride, forgot the watch which I left in the lorry, went back asked some to get it out of the cab, put the watch on but not strapped to wrist properly promptly dropped it in the mud
Anyway, now completely happy using the brilliant gadget but did take some getting used too.
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spyros
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 8:23:43 PM
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Evie
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 9:25:04 PM
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| I would love to find out how fast Tara goes in flat out gallop. I have ridden quite a few horses over my 20 years of riding and I am yet to find one that is as fast as Tara! Maybe I will get my Dad to drive alongside the local common while I gallop up it and get him to see how fast we're going! |
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shah
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 09:09:42 AM
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Uhuh, we must be very fast then as I've clocked Shah doing 43km/hour uphill canter...that's on a training ride without being very fit. And we were doing around 40km/hour at Sunday's Easter treat ride at Plumton(Mad arab rider, who were you , we were no 30, page 9 on the photo pages...come and say hi next time). Goodness know what he'll do on a flat race course... We leave the TBs behind at long uphill Downs canters...
Yes he's been raced but never did well as he's too intelligent. He'd fly at home in training, apparently the fastest arab the race trainer has ever had but when he got to the races he'd engage his brain and wonder why on earth he had to run in circles with other horses
Gemma, I'm planning to take Shah to Lingfield this year for some training, fancy meeting up for a good gallop??? |
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Sundance
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 09:54:18 AM
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Hi Fiona,
I am on my easter hols at moment so not on line much. Sammyd who also posts on here is a professional Arab trainer and she can probably give you some much better tips on training than me, I am a bit more hippy like in my approach. Comete the horse I plan to race at Wolverhampton on 5th May (if she's ready) has been in full work since end of Feb so will have had about 12 weeks work before her first run and she'll need it (bless her she's been off breeding foals for the last 3 yrs). At the moment I am using a farmers 35 acre field which doubles nicely as a grass gallop, I usually do a long swinging trot round the perimeter after the usual walk warm up, then 2 canters over a grass stretch that is approx 6 furlongs long. Comete goes out once a day six days a week (we all need days off!), she will probably do her first piece of work next week (work = fast gallop half and 3/4 speed), she will do approx 6 of these before she runs. In an ideal world I would have been able to get more pieces of work into her, I might take her to Lingfield for a training gallop the week before. If I don't feel she's ready she won't run.
My other 2 Wraith and Kumara are also in full work (wouldn't advise having 3 training if you work full time and are single handed), are just about to start cantering and I am aiming them at Huntingdon 2nd of June (Wraith nearly won there last year but fell 2 furlongs out). They will build up to 3 canters in time as they are both stayers whilst Comete is definately a sprinter.
As for racing up North we've got Market Rasen, Nottingham and Wolverhampton. If you don't want to ride them yourself you can always use a jockey on the day! Once you start racing you will be hooked.
Polinezia has lovely breeding, I love Karnaval and there is racing blood there, not sure if he's had a runner I'll look it up.
Delyth - you can't beat natural hills for building up muscles (I miss Somerset as Surrey is so flat) and I would also like to see some Ffatal Attractions racing, there was one and he was 5th in his maiden and then sold for endurance!
Hope that helps,
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Fee
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 7:32:20 PM
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Thanks again for the info Paul, especially as it's your Easter break Well I've managed to find and get permission to use a field for working in. It's quite large but not large enough for really fast work....I'll at least be able to get lots of free moving canter work in there.
Was so chuffed today, we beat our record! I'm really pleased on three counts, 1. It was our second loop 2. For the first time in gallop I asked her to speed up and she did 3. She's on a diet What a good girl  We clocked 39.5 kmph and I measured the distance, it's 1/2 km with a fair climb, but no sure of the degree. Great fun though
Shah that's awesome that your boy can canter uphill, unfit at 43kmph!!  Po is defo in gallop at 40kmph!!
PS Paul I just love the chestnut mare you have for sale right now I'd love to have two endurance horses in work, but I've never owned more than one horse...would snap her up in a minute though, just love chestnut mares
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Sundance
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 12:37:41 PM
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Hi Fiona,
Ironically since writing this I've lost my 6 furlong grass galop so am currently hunting out another one! Sounds like Polianka is coming along great guns. Have you seen ARO's website they are introducing a subsidy to aid those who travel great distances to a meeting. Bet you are dying to race her, I think she would do quite well as she's really well made with nice powerful quarters and her pedigree's full of race blood. Why don't you try her at Market Rasen in the maiden? Go on you know you want to!
Thanks for your comments on Kumara, she is the first pure bred I ever bred and its a real wrench selling her as she's such a little poppet, she loves her work and my vet (who's now riding her out every night) says she rides much bigger than she looks. I also love chestnut mares I have 9 in total at the moment although I've just sold Jumah who was one of my best producing broodmares (still haven't recieved the deposit and hoping owner to be changes her mind as I think I am!). I have bred 4 fillies that are also chestnut mares Sky, Ku, Kissira and Amyzing. Comete who is in full work is a lovely big striding mare although very much in the mould of the cliche of "chestnut arab mares", its not really her fault though as she had only ever gone up and down a gallop in a big racing yard, whereas with me she hacks out and works on her own and has a tendancy to panic when something scares her.
I'll send you Kumara's file for your interest (just to wet your apetite). Maybe Po could take a year out and breed a race horse??????? I sold Kumara's brother Zayin Kulok within a day of being on this site and he's going racing like his older brother Zayin Vakaash (see my news page for details on Vakaash's antics on Dubai Day last year).
Regards,
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Jingo
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 1:10:14 PM
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Fee, it must be in the blood Perspektiva's new daughter can't wait to get off the lead each morning to do five circuits of the field at breakneck speed - poor Mum trying to keep up
But Paul would we expect any different with Toman's sire Grand (Mukomol x Nevesta) added to the already wonderful racing genes |
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Fee
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 2:08:40 PM
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Hi Paul,
Thanks again. I will be sure to look into the information you've gave me. I completely understand and feel how one could get addicted not only to racing on the horse, but racing in general...so exciting
Po has the most fantastic work ethic and I'm certain her attitude, speed and her need to pick off every horse in front is in her blood.
I just SO like the look of Kumara and I have to confess I already looked at her pedigree on allbreeds...lovely Great pic of her racing too... is her 'file' her career? (sorry, I'm a novice ) If so, yes please do send it 
Judith how weird is that I didn't know Grand was Toman's sire. I was talking to the owner of Karnaval and Grand only a couple of weeks ago on the phone. Her prized boys are good friends and live the life of luxury in Tuscany Both speedy racing boys, so you too have no chance, get your new little girl on the track |
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paul_brown_arabs
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 2:11:51 PM
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shouldnt worry too much fee - fast work should make up very little of the total work to get race fit - many horses are trained from walk/road work and lots and lots of long slow cantering - some are trained off the walker only.
while the fast work is preferable its not essential
glad to hear your boy has sold to a racing home Paul, bet it will be hard to let Jumah go. hope you find some gallops to use soon.
bad news off the gallops this morning one of the nice TB's I work and is just starting to race over jumps came off the all weather lame :(
even with allweather gallops the injuries are starting - we're in near drought conditions here - rained every day for 6 months over winter and we havent had a drop now for 3 and 1/2 weeks - met office say no chance of any for at least another 2 weeks and 90 degrees expected!
who'd train race horses? |
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Jingo
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Moosie
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 6:29:17 PM
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| I always drool over big fields when driving anywhere away from home. Here in deepest Cornwall there just arent any or none that I can use or if you do manange to sneak into one you find its full of ruts and holes! There always seem to be these massive training fields somewhere else!! But with a bit of ingenuity you can always find a way - with me tends to be three times up a hill and then of course theres my local 2 mile all weather straight (the beach) a fantastic place for a blast at low tide - takes a lot of beating for pure enjoyment value as on the firm sand they really tank along - then you can trot and canter through the shallows afterwards. Sort of makes up for no racecourses whatsoever for over 100 miles. As for fittening though I reckon you get them fitter with less stress on the uphill canters (just wish they were longer!)Happy galloping everyone but we have to watch the ground now - so hard. |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 7:34:52 PM
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Paul, an article about different kinds of training (or even a post!!) would be a real illumination for we A-Liners. I have helped fitten hunters but not Arabs for racing or similar performance. Could you?
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Fee
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Posted - 11 Apr 2007 : 8:29:39 PM
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What a great idea Roseanne...I would love Paul and Paul and any other trainers to give us tips, ideas and/or techniques on fittening our arabs. That would be greatly appreciated! Who wouldn't want their horse as toned, fit and muscled as a racer
I took Po down to see the field I can use with the intention of walking her round the perimeter to get her accustomed to it as there is a caravan park at one side. But she was so laid back about the whole thing we ended up walking and trotting round both ways and cantering 4 x each way with a gallop along the straight The ground was just perfect as it's grass and we had a rainfall last night.
Wish I'd taken my Garmin to know the distance but I left it thinking we were just going for a stroll
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paul_brown_arabs
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Posted - 12 Apr 2007 : 09:48:49 AM
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would love to do so - oh but for the time
will put some thought to it although im far from the best qualified on here and there are as many opinions as there are horses out there
once i downsize and sell a couple of horses :( i may have 5 mins to spare. |
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Sundance
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Posted - 13 Apr 2007 : 2:26:10 PM
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Hi Fiona,
I really think youn should run Po at Market Rasen, think she'll love it and she already sounds quite fit. You can use the rule of thumb method, let the horses tell you when they're fit enough, check recovery rates etc. This Garmin tool sounds great but very techy. I usually build them up gradually and increase the work over a period of time, I also find they go through a period of being quite tired at the hard work and then seem to turn the corner once their fitness builds and the work comes very easily to them and they're still buzzing and popping on the way home!
Will try and do an artilce on it at some point but I really am no expert. The system is interval training pioneered by Martin Pipe. I'll let you know if it works after Comete's run at Wolverhmapton!
Judith - Toman's filly is a cracker and has to see the race course in about 4 yrs. Pedigree, looks confirmation and attitude, she's got the lot!
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Fee
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 8:38:01 PM
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Hi Paul,
I had a look at the Market Rasen website and whilst I am delighted you suggest I should race Po, I just don't think we're quite ready yet. I would need to learn more and I think we should get some competitive endurance rides under our belt first. However, I do think is area would, without doubt be her forte, that, and endurance race rides, I want ensure that she enjoys and gets all varied work, so ruling nothing out!
My Garmin is not quite as techy as the foretrex, I have the forerunner, but it's more than adequate for us and I can download all the information onto my computer which then gives graphs of various aspects of our ride! I think the main difference is the foretrex has advanced maps and mapping facilities.
You mentioned the period of tiredness during the fittening programme, how long approximately does this period last? I think Po may have just come through this as I was noticing a difference, but I think she is turning a corner now
Thanks again, and I really look forward to any articles, advice and suggestions for fittening our horses. I'm sure many others would appreciate this too
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sammyd0380
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Posted - 16 Apr 2007 : 10:51:09 PM
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Lucky you Moosie! The beach must be a fantastic place to train, and excellent for their legs too.
We have lots of hill here, and so we use them a lot. It depends on the horse as to what work you do with them.
All of mine do at least 6 wks conditioning work (walking and trotting for at least 4 wks followed by steady cantering). The horses that have been 'race fit' before take much less time the next season and most can be prepared within 10 wks). The ones that haven't raced before can take anything from 3 - 6 months depending on their make - up and mental attitude. Some come to hand very quickly, whilst others take more time.
We use hillwork every day, as you don't have to build up the speed too much to really make them work.
After this initial conditioning period, we start to add pieces of faster work up these hills over about 4 furlongs, increasing the speed over the next couple of weeks (but still well on the bridle).
The ones that have raced before would only take between 3 - 4 pieces of FAST work to get them race fit. Most will work over a distance of 7 furlongs (again depends on the horse), swinging canter, increasing all the way. They work twice a week generally, before racing. Once fit, they will only be 'sharpened' up a few days before racing.
Younger horses, or ones that haven't raced can take more work to get them fit.
If you have an endurance horse, I would think it would probably only take 3 - 4 pieces of fast work to be ready for the racetrack.
Hope to see some of you there this year, not long to go now!! |
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Moosie
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 4:38:13 PM
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| yep Sam, went yesterday. Fantastic sunny day, very small waves (no big crashing monsters), not a jet ski or wind surfer in sight and only a couple of chasing dogs. Can honestly say that there was nothing I could think of at that moment in time which I would rather have been doing. YEE-HAA!!! The buzz lasted all day - dont mean to gloat everyone - honest, just sharing the enjoyment! Dont go too often as its just too tempting to let rip all the time which isnt really what you mean to do before you go but you just cant help it. |
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sammyd0380
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Posted - 19 Apr 2007 : 9:50:55 PM
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Are you going to Wolverhampton Moosie? Where are you running first?
Yours must be nearly ready with all your speedy sessions!! |
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Moosie
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Posted - 22 Apr 2007 : 5:27:26 PM
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| Wolverhampton is too far for us unfortunately, especially for a first run - got a 20 mile pleasure ride then too - never been but supposed to be a lovely ride (Boconnoc). Aiming for Exeter on 20th May, fingers xxxxed no disasters before now and then! |
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