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Fee
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 12:02:47 PM
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We have this lovely long uphill climb which is fantastic for a gallop 
As Po gets fitter her speed is getting faster  Yesterday we clocked 38.6 kmph (24 mph) For all you arab racing folks out there, is that quite fast for an uphill gallop? I am truly clueless on speeds for racing horses...
I would LOVE to know what speed she could do on the flat! Anyone out there have a race track I could hire 
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Sundance
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 12:17:48 PM
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Hi Fiona,
She sounds like she's got quite an engine (she's a lovely looking mare too). Being able to gallop up a hill at that speed shows stamina, ability and good mental attitude as alot of horses call time on long uphill gallops. When I used to train my Arabs in Somerset on the edge of Exmoor I would do alot of fast work up gradients as it builds up the quarter muscles very nicely! Now I am in Surrey and can't find any hills for love nor money and having to make do with the sheep farmers field across the road!
Whats her breeding?
I think you should race her? I assume from your pic you do endurance? You could do both disciplines, I aim to this year with Mad Mary (Wraith). It is a total myth that Arabs need to be French to win races, I have 2 extremely nice 2yr olds that aren't French bred at all and think they will cause some surprises when they race especially Samauring who is a machine!
Paul
PS Some race tracks hire out thier courses so you could time her over a mile! |
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Fee
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 12:33:57 PM
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for replying 
Polianka is by Karnaval x Polinezia. She is Russian. Her sire raced too. She really does have such a brilliant attitude to her endurance and of course she just loves the gallops and she wont stop till we reach the top! Even then she is happy to continue on in trot or canter When I do endurance rides she sets her sights on any horse in front and eats up the ground till she catches them. I keep telling her we are not racing the one in front...but it's in her blood methinks 
I would really love to be able to try her on a track...that would be awesome! I think she would love to race and with increased fitness she might do well from what you've said. But I don't think there is any Arab racing in Scotland?  |
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MinHe
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Gemma
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 1:28:47 PM
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Wow! That's fast!
Re: the racetrack hire: we're off to Lingfield Park next month to train on their all-weather track. Basically, on non-race days you pay £15 and can use the track in the morning. I know the course is 1.2 miles so I'm planning on working out our times for all paces. If there are any courses near you that have an all-weather track it might be worth asking. I am SOOOOOO excited I can't tell you! |
 
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Fee
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 7:43:27 PM
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Wow Keren that is fast I get such a thrill galloping at 24 mph, I can only imagine it at 38!!
Gemma let us know how you get on, pics, speeds, distance etc. That just sounds brilliant! Are a group of you going? I have asked a couple of people I know with TB's and they would love to try out a track too. My nearest racecourse is Perth, I guess it's worth asking, but I'm not sure if they have and all weather track.
What a blast that would be though 
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Bebely
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 8:28:08 PM
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Lovely mare Fiona and lovely photo of you riding.
What bridle are you using - can't quite make out from the picture? |
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Gemma
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 8:42:57 PM
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Oh don't worry Fiona - there will be plenty of pics!! I'm going with my Mum and her gelding and I am really looking forward just to be able to let her rip.
Your mare is absolutely stunning - beautiful. |
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Mad arab rider
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 9:09:03 PM
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| We have a track known locally as the Gallops. It's slightly uphill, but more of a gentle slope than a hill. Sometimes I let Mia have her head up there, and a few weeks back her and her sister April were racing each other, when I looked at my navman we were going at 39kph. Lol. |
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Fee
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 10:34:01 PM
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Look forward to the pics Gemma, bet your face is like this
Mad Arab Rider it's such good fun eh! It's so hard to get a good gallop anywhere. The place where I can gallop is pretty steep though, so I'd love a more level or slight slope to really let her power without the addition of a climb.
Bebely thank for you nice comment on Po. I ride her in a rope halter. I put this on her when I bought her last year and we've never looked back. This pic will let you see it better (I think if you click on it it'll enlarge??) Right now I use an enduro bridle which is basically the same as that halter but with a thicker noseband and no rope reins. I only changed because I got tired, well my arms got tired of the heavy rope reins...I tried them again recently and couldn't believe the weight of them! My next endurance ride is in 3 weeks so I hope to get some updated pics of the other rope halter.
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Fee
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 10:36:43 PM
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Oops that really enlarges Hope that doesn't cause probs or I'll try to reduce it...
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Bebely
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 11:15:15 PM
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That looks really interesting - thanks. I rode Jameel in a hackamore in his endurance career and must admit I was very happy with it but had no brakes. Jameel was a bit of a runner though and I don't think I would have brakes with anything.
I have been bringing Tamba on long lining in a dually and he is now ready for backing and I wasn't even going to bit him at all. I was pondering going straight to a hackamore, staying with the dually or trying an alternative.
Please do let me know how you get on with some rides - especially as Po gets fitter and more opinionated |
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jaj
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 11:19:36 PM
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Fee, Po is so beautiful, she looks very happy too  !
I ride in a Dr Cooks Bitless Bridle now and my mare looks so free and relaxed in it, your girl looks the same .
ps are you still going to Canada?
Jen
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heatherr
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 11:42:01 PM
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Fee your mare is beautiful and clearly very fit and well. How wonderful that she goes so nicely for you in a rope halter.
Grand National runners can average speeds of 40mph, so Imman was a speedy boy Would love to hear what your girl can do on the flat Fee. |
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bxps
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 01:20:01 AM
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Both Kempton and Lingfield in the south can be hired to train horses on, as can Wolverhampton and Southwell. Have you thought of contacting your local professional trainers to see if they have an all weather or turf gallop you can use or know or a public gallop you can hire. The National Trainers Federation website has a searchable database of trainers contact details.
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Delyth
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 04:43:05 AM
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Hi Fee
It must've been all that early training on our Derbyshire hills !! Although I don't think she steamed up 24 mph
Love to hear how she's doing - it seems perfect that she found an owner like you - she always was such a genuine special mare.
I'd love it if one of her Ffatal babies hit the track - that would be brill Paciffic always left a few sparks but he's doing poncey dressage !!!!! |
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Fee
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 09:05:49 AM
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Hi Bebley, I'll defo let you know how my next ride goes It's our first 30km and our first competitive ride
David thanks for that info, I've now got a list of local trainers and will check out what facilities they have. Watch this space!
Thank you for your kind comments. I am unashamedly proud of my girl and love her to bits  But I do hope I don't go on about her too much on here  sorry if I do...
Delyth, without doubt your training in all areas has shaped Po to be the kind and solid girl she is, credit to you guys, I just tweak the mould I think you're right about her Ffatal babies, I heard her filly was FAST!!
PS Jaj, I've pulled out of the exchange. One thing and another...one big 'thing' was leaving Po, couldn't do it...
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spyros
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 9:30:06 PM
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My daughter, a friend and I went on a pleasure ride in Caradoc yesterday, the ride had three all weather gallops available to ride, on the last gallop we decided to let our boys run oh, my word 29 mph we clocked on the Garmin they could still have gone faster but my nerve did not hold out. What an adrenaline rush |
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katherineepea
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 10:45:59 PM
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madmare
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 11:08:07 PM
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I've been clocked on a police speed gun doing around 38mph...that was a few years back. Crystal does go at a heck of a speed..luckily one of our fields is very steep uphill..and we come up there flat out....I'd love to race my girl, but sadly she is too old! We tend togoto the beach at Lytham St Annes, and last time my friend was on her TB, my other friend Katie, was on Clyda, and both of the horses are a lot younger than Crystal..she gave them a head start of about 200 yards, caught them up..passed them , and was still accelerating!!!
It's the best adrenaline rush ever! |
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spyros
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 07:23:25 AM
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Hi Katherine
I wear a Garmin Foretrrex 201 which is like a watch which is a personal Navigator with GPS tracking. The watch will track your path, or if you pre programme will show you your route you intend to take. It will then configure your trip on a computer screen which includes current speed, average speed, altitude climbed and distance covered. When you get home you can link to your computer to down load information. Brilliant piece of kit for training purposes or endurance riding. My husband brought it for me for Christmas with the intention I use it for me to get fit ie: running - feel its purpose is much better suited whilst riding
Would not recommend you watch the speed on your watch whilst Galloping though |
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Fee
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 09:31:18 AM
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Yup, me too, I wear the Garmin Foretrex. Brilliant for training and our endurance
I've not galloped so much since I was a child and I'm sure the adrenalin rush is greater in adulthood
I do want to stress though that I have a couple of safe (as it gets!) areas where we can gallop, we are not galloping about our bridle paths!
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spyros
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 09:50:14 AM
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Fee I agree you cannot go galloping at that speed on bridle paths.
When we were on the gallops yesterday, I have never ridden these before, my horse has brakes to match his speed and is as sharp as a box of knives, which troubled me as I followed my fearless daughter (17)on her x race horse arab. I think a my age (44)control and a nice gentle canter is more appropriate, yesterday the speed brought tears to my eyes, all I heard as we passed spectators was “Whoa” & “ their quick”. My friend who is the same age as me pulled up way before the end saying the speed made her Windy but was a buzz.
Anyway all you speed merchants out there - ride safe, I think I will leave it to the youngsters.
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Mad arab rider
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 12:31:58 PM
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| Spyros, I know what you mean about brakes, my mare can stop from a cantor in one stride. She's also very good at 20ft sidewards leaps at 200miles an hour. She had me off in Windsor park last year doing just that. Was doing the Plumpton Easter Treat ride yesterday (EGB SOUTH EAST GROUP) when at a very fast canter she decided to spook at some cow poo, I very nearly went out the side door (was in fact half off), but somehow managed to stay on. My friend who was with me, said she thought I was a going to end up on the deck. Other than that it was a brill ride. |
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katherineepea
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 4:07:13 PM
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whew those things are expensive!!
I thought theyd be like a pedometer- about five pounds! |
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paul_brown_arabs
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 4:26:03 PM
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fee
race speeds vary but for most arabs your looking at an average speed of around 30 mph for the duration of the race 1 - 1.5 miles.
Better horses on fast ground over sprint distances will average around 35mph. some sprint throroughbreds will get close to 40mph but very few, and jumpers over 3m's will travel at 30mp of less (and usually on much softer ground).
the quickest horses (winners) vary very little from the average race speed. they dont speed up at the end - it just looks that way - the winners stay the same speed the rest slow down. horses (arabs or thoroughbreds) that quicken are rarer than hens teeth.
speeds are very deceptive and its the main skill of a jockey to judge the speed/pace of the race.
the easierst way to judge speed when training is simply to time your gallop once you know the distance your galoping over. speed = time / distance.
for race training its unusual to reach full race distance / time , but to slowly build up before the race to 3/4 pace (not 3/4 speed) with a couple of furlongs of fast work at the end or a few days before racing. good luck
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