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SueB
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 11:07:00 AM
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Yes I did I keep getting a slapped leg. No more postings from me. |
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alistair leslie
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England
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 11:47:37 AM
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Encouraging.
Photographers can play a serious role by not taking or publishing such fear induced poses as we complain about .
Sam and Tanya have very few shots in their mag (except for one silly ad) where the horse is stressed.Well done all! |
    
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swalk
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 9:39:22 PM
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Oooh another pic of the beautiful Windella Silver Sensation that I can add to the collection - from her #1 fan!!!!!
All the horses on this thread look absolutely FANTASTIC - finally a ruling has been made on an issue that has been a contentious one for so long |
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MinHe
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pat day
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 07:28:24 AM
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I think they all look brilliant,
Happy to be where they are, and who they are with.
Just as it should be. |
       
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Jenni5
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England
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 5:00:06 PM
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I did some show practice with 1 of the lovely stallions at the stud yesterday, and the person advising me said i did quite well for a first timer Shame i didn't get ne piccy's  but was very fun and educational, will be practising with Rossi and Tanni now  |
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Judi
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England
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Posted - 06 Apr 2007 : 8:37:57 PM
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| I have been told I would be terrible at show training as I am too soft. Not quite sure what this meant, but I can stand them up in a relaxed pose even loose in the field for a polo? Says it all, really! LOL! |
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Moosie
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 3:59:31 PM
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| was just reading this and out of curiosity had a look through the current for sale sections and there are several at the moment with their heads stuck in the air/or their back legs trailing out behind them. It would be nice if any interested buyers asked for "proper" photos before going any further!! (just a casual idea as I dont have any interest in showing but cant help thinking when I look at these poses that its almost impossible to see what the horses are actually like in real life!) |
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MinHe
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jaj
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 9:25:41 PM
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I think the photographs where they are practically vertical are hilarious !
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Kuraishiya (Maleik el Kheil/Kazra el Saghira) and Sahara Bey (Kuraishiya/WSA Charismma) |
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Mike
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Posted - 08 Apr 2007 : 9:28:41 PM
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My Favourite has to be the one of Coaltown where you can barely see his head poking over the bright yellow shrubbery
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Pauline
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TOOTHLESS
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Australia
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 10:38:45 AM
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Thank you Pauline. Actually I'm only a She on weekends, during the week I'm a He. This confuses my wife Doreen tremendously as you may well imagine but despite this we've managed to have 4 kids (well Doreen's had them).
The point of placing this photo in this section is to show how a horse can pose by himself with no pressure applied. A few moments before, Fawley Silver Salute was playing around in his yard. His owner Jean called him in and with a few movements of her hand, had him standing perfectly. He is really a big ham,and Jean tells me he will only display if he likes you.
This masculine,little powerhouse is the reason (as I Stated in another section of this Forum--on leg faults) WHY I after 25yrs absent have purchased a filly by the name of Rusleema from Anne Brown of Gadebrook stud. The stories in the other section along with photos of my 1st arabian Talquah Taaj and of Rusleema .
I thought the first arabian horse show I attended after 25yrs absence was a circus . No arabian horse looks good with his neck stretched, head up, and eyes popping as if he,s seeing aliens, or looking down at the contortionist in front and waiting for an almighty yank on the leed. Let's be honest , this type of possing is for horses with poor necks, and it does'nt help them.
A horse should look relaxed and balanced. Those like my Taaj who just loved to show and are confident will pose themselves; and that's the type of arabian we want.
Salute has never been shown. |
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TOOTHLESS
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Australia
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Posted - 09 Apr 2007 : 11:02:58 AM
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PS: Believe me Pauline: Noooo Woman is Toothless.
For those that are interested, Fawley Silver Salute was bred and is owned by Jean Muir, and is of Crabbet /Colonial lines
His sire is Sahib (Count Manilla x Scherzade ) and his dam is
Carramar (Abyad x Neefa)
Hë's 15yrs old, and the photo was taken last yr. |
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Pauline
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TOOTHLESS
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Posted - 10 Apr 2007 : 06:56:22 AM
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I agree with Moosieand Min He. Sellers should consider what photos they would expect of a horse if they were buyers. Lone head and neck shots are off putting,you must be prepared to have an array of photos and they must include one directly from the side,that shows whether the animal is balanced or not, and how the legs line up. A video is to be considered essential.
With so many horses to choose from the seller should be prepared to do just that ie sell the animal, insted of pushing people away.
Shots taken at angles are a waste of time and an annoyance |
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wizzy
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Apr 2007 : 07:54:17 AM
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Hi,
Apologies, I've only just found this topic.
The 'Frozen Pose' in the horse - in my opinion the one derived through abuse and fear of the handler - is something I feel very strongly about and this is why I commissioned articles on horse behaviour, training and showing from highly respected people in their field such as Lesley Skipper, Emma Maxwell and Princess Alia.
This seemed to get the ball rolling, more and more people came forward to say how they detested it, (Rosemary Archer has helped alot in this) and this resulted in the letter to judges from the AHS. So you see, we can make a difference if we keep on at something and keep trying.
Of course, the huge problem in this is how to police it and this is one of the reasons why the letter was a recommendation, as opposed to a rule at the moment.
There are horses that show fear in the ring - wide eyed, trembling etc - for reasons other than abuse by the person showing them.
They could be youngsters at their first show, they could have had training abuse by someone other than the handler with them on the day or, they could be particularly intense, sensitive, nervous horses.
Also, what some people may perceive to be abuse shown to a horse others may feel necessary to get that horse's respect - a horse can be dangerous if it lacks respect.
Someone may walk around a corner, see someone else smacking/chastising a horse and immediately decide that horse is being abused, without finding out the facts - did it just bite/kick someone/another horse?
Personally, I like to see a horse standing still, in an attentive pose, respecting and listening to it's handler. I don't want such a natural pose that the horse is resting, sagging, looking elsewhere.But that's just IMO.
Different judges and DC's will of course have slightly differing interpretations of a 'Frozen Pose' and it will be very difficult to be able to assess in some cases, plus time-consuming, so this really is a 'suck it and see' situation.
We must be very, very careful how we go about this, and common sense and integrity must prevail. |
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