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katefox1812
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 Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 11:58:38 AM
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Reading about the latest AHS instructions to judges, which require a more 'natural' pose for in-hand show exhibits, and anticipating some confusion about precisely what this means, I thought it might be helpful if we all posted some examples.
This looks like a 'natural' pose to me - would others agree?
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SueB
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 12:14:18 PM
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Here is our natural pose as a yearling!
Please click on the photo for a clearer view
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LYNDILOU
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lisal
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 1:40:29 PM
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| Its amazing to see the difference in the look in there eyes in the natural pose....so much more relaxed |
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Jenni5
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 2:10:19 PM
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| Very nice poses, As Lisa has said the horse is more relaxed, and therefore most probaably more focused on the job in hand. |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 2:15:45 PM
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lovely well done ,hope its the way forward xx |
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nikki
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 2:19:05 PM
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| Is it a rule now-that arabs are to be shown this way? |
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katefox1812
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 5:48:42 PM
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Nikki - Apparently yes - the new instructions issued to judges by the AHS specifically request that horses be stood-up 'naturally'.
This is as a result of all the debate and discussion about abuse, and particularly abuse related to achieving the highly unnatural, stretched, 'frozen' pose that has become fashionable in Europe.
There will no doubt now be some debate as to exactly what constitutes a 'natural' pose (hence this thread) but it is great that the AHS is taking action on this, and I'm sure it will make our show classes much more relaxed and fun for both humans and horses. |
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Nimlat
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 8:30:27 PM
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| Hi Kate, Yes, you are correct there - look at "More photos found of Nandina etc." on the "New owners needing info" forum. All the posed horses are standing naturally. All happy in there own skins although a couple have a bit more "pizazz" about them. Might I state that this style of showing has always been acceptable - if you have a good animal ,fit, mannerly and well turned out you will be noticed. |
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MinHe
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jaj
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 10:38:34 PM
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Wonderful pictures ! It would be a happy day indeed if all horses eventually looked like these relaxed three in the show ring  .
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gossy
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 10:40:31 PM
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I have to say, that i much prefer the head held lower as opposed to the very American way of the head being held very high!! just my opinion.
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katefox1812
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 11:40:25 PM
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Gossy I totally agree, and I understand that quite a few judges (especially those who are not very tall) are tired of trying to assess horses' heads when all they can see is underside of the jawline!
If you look at my pic, the horse's head is quite high, but he is on a loose rein, there is nothing forced about it - it is a completely natural, alert, happy head-carriage. Same with Sue's lovely boy.
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katefox1812
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jaj
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 11:48:10 PM
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And I can't stand it when the back legs are trailing behind them into the next county. Hind legs should be underneath the horse!
Dennis, Tobago and Montoya all look beautifully relaxed and as though they are enjoying themselves  . They are showing an interest in their surroundings and their handler rather than stretched in that god awful 'frozen pose' staring up at the stars, with hollow back and trailing legs  .
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Vera
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Posted - 04 Apr 2007 : 11:53:22 PM
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I just deleted my post because no-one commented on it I thought there must be something wrong with it, him or me!!!
Kate, Dennis gives fantastic sloppy kisses .
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razgold
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 03:07:13 AM
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I must admit though I live in the States I will not be intimidated by the way they show here. None of my horses pose the way the Americans do. They look so much better posed naturally.
By the way Sue love your boy. What's his name and breeding?
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Michelle
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Zan
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 09:18:50 AM
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This is wonderful news--I just hope it is "policed" properly and the handlers who still try to show stressed out giraffes don't get away with it. The three horses in this thread are all so beautiful and it is so clear that they are happy and relaxed---though I personally think Dennis looks a bit off balance stretching forward like that, it does look as if he is doing it out of affection so it doesn't detract from him at all. |
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jaj
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 09:19:17 AM
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Vera I mentioned all three of the horses pictured including the lovely Dennis! He is gorgeous, bless him !
Jen
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SueB
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 09:19:57 AM
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Sorry not to come back on this thread, I have a mare just starting to wax up, so have have done my night time sitting up and ready for daytime bed! (John takes over now)
Vera, Dennis looks great, as does Tobago, all posed naturally, well IMO!
Yes, judges have received intructions to ask for a more natural pose, I guess we will see how it all pans out in the show ring. It is no crime to pose them how you want, but there must be no fear shown by the horse under any circumstances. ie backing off, mouthing at the handler, crouching behind and generally being afraid. Most of us can identify a frightened horse
Thanks Sue, my colt is a 2yr old by ...by WH Justice out of Metelica 8. Metelica is a big moving Russian mare that we have long admired. We saw this chap as a foal at an open day and as he wasn't in the catalogue had no idea who he was byI even had to post on a forum asking who was WH Justice
Our intructions to the handler was as always, we want to see the trot and we want to see him have fun.
We love him very much.
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katefox1812
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Heather Brown
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 10:17:07 AM
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All the horses here are clearly happy and relaxed. All lovely and very loved.
I think that in the UK that the frozen pose is in the minority whereas sadly it seems to be the norm on the European circuit. IMO it is the extreme tense and worried look with a contorted body that sets it apart.
There are many different positions that the horse can stand in but by far the most attractive is the one that the horse feels comfortable with (with their conformation/nature etc). Some horses do like to stand higher naturally but when forced it looks ugly with bulging under the neck. Personally I like to see expression (not skinny) through the throat/poll region.
With regards to leg positions any deviation from the norm is generally to hide weak back ends and long backs by rotating the pelvis into the back. I never understand why the judges are not looking at these horses coming into the pose and more telling as they walk out of the pose. The doll certainly breaks.
A natural pose however should not be mixed up with a bad pose, even in the days of crabbet I am sure Lady Wentworth would have been most unhappy if her horse had been stood sloppily. Equally a well balanced horse 'in proportion' looks good most the time, they can't help it and they have little to offer the frozen pose.
I do hope that this will be policed consistently, sensibly, with intelligence and good knowledge of the Arabian horse.
Here are some of mine in different 'poses', all were natural to the horse. Sorry the lighting isn't the best.
For fun
First and last photo - Sweet |
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SueB
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 10:18:30 AM
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I totally agree Kate, not optional but clear and specific. Judges have been asked to ask for a relaxed pose in the ring.
The interpretation of a relaxed pose is going to cause some problems this year for some judges I'm afraid. Wether they adhere to what has been asked, or wether they will still allow some handlers to run rough shod over them is another question.
Keren, sorry, im so tired this morning! Montoya takes no notice of the whip with his handler, he will even eat it given the chance. In that picture he was looking at his mad mother calling his name in the distance |
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Big Mover
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Posted - 05 Apr 2007 : 10:33:32 AM
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hey Sue
Did you just change your post??? I am sure it said something else, anyway I just wanted to let you no it made me laugh, Very good I like your style
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