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MinHe
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Sadika
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 Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 06:49:02 AM
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Producing a catalogue is very time consuming (The Classic has 60+ classes) and not cheap (I am in the process of finding a printer who will do it reasonably - almost 100 pages of A5!!) It would make a secretary's job alot easier if it wasn't a requirement. However people of course want to know who the entries are they are looking at in a class and it is an important record of the event. Taken to extreme could you imagine being at the AHS show for 3 days and not having any information about the entries?
PS That may sound like I'm grumbling but actually I quite enjoy putting it together - as long as the computer behaves itself!!!! |
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sazzlepants71
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 07:30:43 AM
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posted by minhe:
'The reason County shows dropped 'C' classes (thus putting the burden on Regional Groups) was because of the affiliation costs. May I suggest that perhaps the way forward would be for RG show secs to approach their nearest large County show, and see if there is some way they can hold a 'C' show *within* the County show (In the same way that the Hound Show is within the EoE) and thus benefit from all the facilities of the bigger event, but saving the ag.soc affiliation costs.
There would be another advantage to bringing high-level Arab show back within the County circuit: we would no longer be in a self-made ghetto and would therefore be FAR better placed to 'show-window' and market our top-class horses outside of the currently shrinking Arab 'pond'.
This to me sounds like a win-win situation.'
commmon sense prevails cant belive no-one has thought of this before karen!
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Sadika
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 07:35:35 AM
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Sounds like a good idea BUT
Our county show is the Royal Lancs which holds classes for Arabians but it clashes with the AHS National show.
Many county shows are held during the week rather than at weekend - Cheshire County has good Arab classes but is mid-week so I can never go. I think you'll find most people who run the C shows can only do so at weekends.
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pat day
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 09:58:50 AM
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Our Staffs county show, had really good entries in the purebred ridden, hardley any in the anglo ridden, and hardley any in the inhand.
The in-hand clashed with the ridden, and we as a group tried to organise, get a judge that could do both classes, and even sponsor the classes
This was on the condition that they didnt clash, so as to give some of the ridden folk a chance to also compete in the in-hand, which after talking to them, said they would have done.
At first this fell on deaf ears after continually trying to contact them over a period of months!!. No response what so ever to telephone calls and emails.
Eventually, I spoke to someone and they said the time schedule was so tight, that was the reason behind them being dropped because only the purebred ridden had any entries of worth. This class was also staged at 7.30am in the main areana, so not much chance of the general public seeing the lovely horses.!!
We did try, and try to get them re-instated at Staffs, but no go I,m afraid
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Lisa
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 11:26:11 AM
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| Devon County is a 'C' show and I'm not certain as it was dropped for a year but I think Bath and West is also a 'C' show. Our South West Group summer 'C' show at Bicton is a wonderful setting and is always well supported with high quality entries. So it would be very sad to lose anymore shows, wouldn't it be more beneficial to support as many shows as you can with entries and sponsorship alike. |
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Micky
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 11:47:40 AM
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| Going back to the original thread, I still think that the cost of the venue must of been thousands, and putting the judges up in Windsor would not of been cheap. |
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Just
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 12:22:56 PM
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| And Essex County Show seems to have been lost for ever - we did try and make enquiries when the showground was purchased but were knocked back and now there seems no hope as it has been given AWT race-course status - not that the evidence of the racetrack is much to go by !!! |
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Mike Ashmore
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 12:26:45 PM
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This is a very interesting topic
Most of the people who refer to the FORIEGN SHOWS had only probably been to the big 4 Aachen, Europeans, Paris and in some cases Borgloon. I have over the years attended as a exhibitor and spectator shows like Fontainbleau, Kaub, Babenhausen, Krueth,Lagenfeld and many more in most cases these shows don't run anymore.
The big 4 are heavily sponsored financially and can take losses each year. Not all foreign shows have the get up and go of any of the big 4, in some cases a B-International will have as little as 50 entries and there is no atmosphere at all points system or not.
In my opinion the demise of the county shows for Arabians has detached us from most of the equine world. A county show is a good shop window for our breed to other equine people.
Some of you will remember the days of Newark and Notts being the first big qualifier of the year with farms such as Riversdale, Rosthwaite,Silverdale, the Jones's.Cavewood Grange, Lodge Farm and many more big breeders turning up and the outside of the ring was packed with people watching including non Arab breeders!!!
The Arabian will always attract attention where ever it goes so why not attract attention at a county show where there is more of a market for our breed and we don't become such a closed shop.. |
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jaybird
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 1:34:26 PM
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Well said Mike I used to love the County shows, attended all, but, found that the Arab classes were sometimes 8.00 in the morning not even the ring stewards were awake let alone the public, so that's not alot of good for promoting the breed, I think Just that JH (who owns the Essex showground) probably did not want to be propping the show up, it was allegedly losing loads of cash prior to the re-vamp. Back to catalogues, I too loved to look at the catalogue and still have many, all I was suggesting was that late entries could be defined in the ring by perhaps another numbering system, so that people knew it was late and further information could be obtained at the Secretaries office.
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pat day
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 4:20:22 PM
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The Staffordshire County show Mike, is just not interested anymore, as reported in my previous post, in this thread.
Our Group, North staffs were devastated, as were, and are, its members. Just for the very same reasons you have just pointed out.
We couldnt do anymore than we offered. All we wanted was the space and time slots to seperate the in hand and ridden.
We would have done the rest to run and finance the classes for the committee. That still wasnt acceptable. |
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Mike Ashmore
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 5:02:24 PM
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Hi Pat,
Even my local county show Shropshire and West Mids do not have Arab classes anymore. They decided to drop them because there was little or few entries. It is a real shame that people don't support the county shows because as I said before they are the biggest shop window to the equine world. I remember Estasaan ibn Estopa at the Shropshire and West Mids shown by Brian Blake and they went on to become World Champion. How times have changed
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Sadika
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 5:42:58 PM
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| Newark and Notts did used to be a BIG one - start of the season and everyone was THERE (not me as it was mid-week) showing and watching for what was going to do well at future shows - so what happened? Well in those days there were no C shows and if my memory serves me right regional shows if they existed were small and local events. Certainly here in the N/W we had a small show held at Brian Blake's stud (and I did the "catalogue" on a typewriter (remember those??). The Northern Show at Haydock and then AHS Ascot were the very BIG ones. So why did C shows "take over" - to qualify for UKAIHS (and the continental biggies). It would be nice to have a mix of specialist shows and Arab classes at county shows but I'm not sure how it can happen with rising prices of everything people are selective where they go; county shows won't put classes on without entries - chicken and egg situation??? |
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Nick
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 6:21:55 PM
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Hi Mike some great points there, Memories for one, we Beat Estasaan
Ibn Estopa that day,And we were shocked he was in a different leauge to our colt,but thats showing
It will always remain a mystery why people think our Horses cannot compete with Horses from abroad,How often have you heard, i have been abroad now i will change my breeding policy,Every bloodline and type
comes and goes like fashion,
As for the smaller European shows they would love to have our entries,
The German Nationals the bulk of their entry comes from two trainers and they have had only three Stallions entered and could not award a German National Champion, Compare that with our Nationals,Many European shows are turning to our one person system as the entry does not warrant three Judges,Aachen as been seen the size of the ring
disappear and instead of being the trotters paradise it is now a VIP
obstacle course,
As a Judge i find it a honour to Judge any show from small local to the Nationals,And the size of a class does not mean a drop in Quality
either from the horse or exhibitor,To my delight i seem to attract a good sized entry wherever i Judge, 23 mares forward in the South West
"C" show Bicton was a delight,and the two largest classes at Malvern
very pleasing, I do not agree about there being 4 big "C" shows in this country, And we have the chance to compete in the Royal, Ardingley,Devon County,Bath and West,And all the other "C" shows where the organiser work so hard,
I am looking forward to Judging Chesire County this year,
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Sadika
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Vera
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 7:20:55 PM
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Our local county show dropped the arab classes last year. I have managed to secure sponsorship for the arab classes and they will be reinstated this year - but only because all the classes are going to be sponsored. They have asked me to run that ring but I had to decline as I want to compete!
Secure sponsorship and convince the county show secretaries to reinstate the classes.
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Zoe Tyzack
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Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 9:05:52 PM
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I used to love doing the county shows and East of England,a long time ago now was a good one for turnout of exibitors,but i think the damage was done when they lost the 'C' show status as said for the other county shows.
Its all just dwindled over quite a short period of time really.
Its such a shame as said Mike,there was those many people waiting to watch those classes as early as they were.
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MinHe
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CINDERS
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Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 11:00:08 AM
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As Justine has said HoCoN would love to have been included in the Essex Show but it is no more and there is nothing else that fits the bill, before everyone from Herts/Beds etc screams the show orgainsers all live relatively close to Towerlands and we believe this is an important criteria for our venue.
Re the beautiful horses abroad I agree that there appear to be more of them but one has to aks who their owners are and that I think provides the answer. With a large amount of cash I too could buy horses like this but I want to breed my own and that takes time, patience and not a little effort.
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SueB
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Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 11:19:30 AM
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We are lucky in the South West, as Lisa says we have Bicton, (SWG) Devon and Bath & West all C status shows, and all get good entries. Maybe the South West has a higher number of Arab owners? not sure,
The key is to help at shows by entering, sponsorship or just on the day running with rosettes etc.
If anyone wants to help I bet if you contact each show sec you will be welcome with open arms.
I would love to see all our county shows become C status, only to keep the arabs in the public eye a bit more.
But....our regional shows could attract outside other breeds to enter their shows by putting on 'other' classes?
If we can't actually go to a show then we hope to help by sponsoring, our able bodies on the day are not what they were
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