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Fee
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 Posted - 17 Feb 2007 : 3:21:45 PM
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Hi,
I have just put a pic in allbreeds of Polinezia, my mare's dam. Does anyone have any information on her? I have tried to research and can find nothing. I don't have any books I can look up, only the internet  Her RASB no. 2262 and I believe she was bred at Tersk. Did she remain there her whole life? According to allbreeds she bred 13 foals and there may be more  She has bred some lovely AND famous arabs and yet I can find out nothing about her 
Please help if you can. ANY info and/or other pics would be greatly appreciated. The pic I have uploaded on allbreeds is the only one I have of her.
Thanks
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 17 Feb 2007 : 9:05:16 PM
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| If you google her and Tersk, you will find referencwe to her, She was the dam of Gips (1984),(Vzap) All Nations Cup Champion Achen 1991, I'm sure some of our al experts will sort this for you....and I'll search the Arabian Horse World around that time, for any reference to her....Aachen results 1991 might also be interesting...... |
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Fee
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Posted - 17 Feb 2007 : 10:14:40 PM
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Hi Sue and thanks. Either I'm having a complete blonde moment, but still no joy getting info when I google Polinezia Tersk. There is good info on Gips...but what of his mum! Is she still living?
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Anfi
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 10:48:38 AM
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Hi Fiona,
The Russian stud book lists her as being born in 1977, so she would be 30 if she was still alive - not impossible, but not very probable either. Unfortunately, I only have the first volume and it ends in 1980 so there is no progeny of hers listed in it. Allbreeds of course has 13 offspring listed, the last being Perspektiva by Piligrim - a son of Gips and Polinezia's grandson.
She certainly has an impressive breeding record! Some mare!
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Fee
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 11:27:25 AM
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Thanks for taking an interest Anfi and having a look 
Perspektiva is owned by Jingo. If/when she reads this maybe she'll have more info on Polinezia.
It does seem strange that such a mare, who bred some outstanding stock is not known, nor can I even find info It's such a shame that we hear and can readily find information on stallions who have sired outstanding stock and yet little about these fantastic mares who spend their life producing foals
If I knew more about her I would write an article for her. (I'm sure there was a section on here for such mare's, like a hall of fame?? I may be wrong, but I can't find it now) I'm just biased I guess as she's my mare's dam, but without bias I do think she deserves such an accolade, and many others! Maybe we do and I'm just missing it? *chucks soap box away
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Anfi
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 11:36:29 AM
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Mares of Honour - click on Studs/Farms on the Main Site and scroll down. It's a great idea to write an article about her - you should definately contact Jude and ask her what she knows - and perhaps Robbie den Hartog as well - he must know her well too.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 3:17:06 PM
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Still looking, just found a reference to her in Gips breeding from the Euro Scene Paris 1990 by Betty Finke in AHS No.76 (1991).and now found the Euro Champ.1991 again by Betty Finke,and although a three page report with photo's,and it does say 'although the Brits did well,it was a year of the Poles', and there were some 400 horses and the biggest Europ show ever, nothing of your mare's dam, Heloua, Monitor. Emigrantka, get pictures, Aliha,Khylie,Kamilla,Kula, Esklawa and others, get a mention...
This is all in AHS No.78,1992, which I have a copy for sale, just in case your after it....will keep looking, maybe you need to ask for info from those Mags from aboard, in case Germany, etc. have featured Polinezia. regards...Sue |
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Fee
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Posted - 18 Feb 2007 : 7:27:42 PM
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Anne thank you! Thought I had dreamed that one up I would love to write an article for her, but I will need to get the info first. Will contact Jude, she's a big fan of that family 
Sue, thank you so much for being 'on the case'. I am presuming Polinezia lived her entire life at Tersk as all her progeny was bred there. How do I find information from Tersk? Do you or anyone else know? Are there any people I can contact? Sorry about all the questions, I will email a couple of other folk too and hopefully one day I'll manage to do a write up on Polinezia that would do her proud 
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emma
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Posted - 19 Feb 2007 : 9:41:44 PM
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| I think she was owned by Kerry Wilson at greenfields arabians, i was looking at her website the other day, if not it was another P named Russian! |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 19 Feb 2007 : 10:07:33 PM
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| Hi, The mare at Greenfields was Polenzia 1987, (Almaz/Polianna) and came from Kossackas a foal... I don't think they are related.. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 9:02:49 PM
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Gips. from the VZAP site. |
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Kerry Wilson
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 12:16:57 PM
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Hi
Easy names to confuse! But Polenzia is from the French Dikarka damline via Piramida and Pamiatka. Polenzia was half sister through her dam Poliana to the well known beauty Popova, who of course is dam of recent UK imports Piligrim and Pjatakova. Poliana also had the same dam(Pamiatka) as Persik (of Endurance fame) and Pra (Al Waha broodmare) etc it’s quite a big family. Polinezia is from the Polish damline of Koalicja. In the early Tersk years foals names followed their sire’s initial, from Piolun and his son Priboj these families hence both ‘P’ lines! Sorry too much pedigree trivia, and a bit off topic, all Russian horses are a mix of pretty much the same horses in various permutations though!
Fee, funny co-incidence though is that I bought back one of Polenzia’s daughters, GAS Paloma, a few months ago and she is currently being started in Western training! Only been away 2 weeks but I’m really pleased with the way she is going already.
I’ve been looking through old books etc to see if I can find anything on Polinezia, but no luck yet, there must be mention somewhere!
Kerry.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 21 Feb 2007 : 11:37:15 PM
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some of Polinezia's family...
Pritcha.
Pritchina.
Magnitka.
Just while were are on horse names,how on earth did the 1982 Polinezia foal get the name of Bum, (Moment/Polienzia)...
Kerry, The mare listed on the allbreeds site as Polenzia, is not the Greenfields mare, Polenzia(1987)she is by Alnaz (Naftalin/Molva,and out of Poliana (Naslednik/Pamiatka) and I'm wondering who the picture against this mare is...someone has her down as half Aki Teski, and she's Arabian.There is a good pic of Polenzia in AHS no.77 pg 35 from 1991.(got this mag for sale too).
Fee: http://www.arabianbloodstock.com/Russian_Arabian_History.html and try this. http://www.horses.ru/index.htm you'll find the introduction of the Crabbet mare,Rissalma in 1936, along with Florensia and others, Rissalma was the dam of Priboj (1944), by Piolun who was bred in Poland, and many other 'P's that followed, like Palas bred at Tersk and went to Poland at 3years. Also on the Tersk site you can look at horses for sale, many must include your Polinezia and her breeding.... I've just bought from the US the Mares Russian Arabian Horse World 1988, I hope when it gets here it will include this breeding. keep you posted. Sue
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Emma Maxwell
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 6:36:41 PM
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| Pretty sure there is a pic of Polinezia taken by us at Tersk in 1992..It's in France tho ! She looks pretty ropey in it as all the mares did that time, at the end of summer with big foals on them. She was still one of the nicest mares there. |
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Kerry Wilson
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 7:05:13 PM
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| Sue, I think I've put that right, thanks. That is my Polly as a 4yo, I lost her when she was 9 when she broke a leg cavorting in the field, broke my heart :-( Paloma was the orphaned foal |
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Fee
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 7:55:01 PM
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Thank you SO much everyone for taking the time and effort to investigate and/or reply. I really do appreciate it
Any further info and/or pics would be so appreciated and I will continue to put all things together and try to write a little piece for her. Even if it's just for me, to know I did it. But 2007 is the 30th year of her birth and I would just like to honour it in some way...
I know she isn't a champion broodmare, but imo, those mare's that produced stock year after year are champions  Further, as far as I know, her babies were all beautiful with WONDERFUL temperaments. IMO partly genetic but also largely enviromental and their mum must have treated and taught them well
Thanks again
ps Kerry, I know what you mean re the P names, I too got caught out with Polenzia recently thinking it was Polinezia
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 9:46:41 PM
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Kerry, Sorry to here you lost your Polly and sorry I did not realize you are the Greenfields Stud...
and another site I found interesting.http://www.araby.horsesport.pl./
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Fee
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Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 10:16:54 PM
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Emma, if you ever manage to locate that photo I'd love to see it.
Kerry, sorry to hear of your loss I too lost my beautiful horse last year to a field accident, so I can sympathise. You are lucky to have her foal, but unlucky too she was orphaned..poor mite. Do you have pics of those girls...would be nice to see them.
Actually another co-incidence too....well...maybe just a wee one....when Po was with her previous owner her best friend was a GAS horse...are there many with that prefix? Let me think now..her name was GAS Matylka...nice russian girl too 
Thanks again everyone...
Edited to add...
Kerry I've just had a quick look on your website...lovely horses..will look more later, but I've just realised that perhaps GAS is your prefix?? It that case you'll defo know Matylka!
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Kash
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 11:04:44 AM
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Hi Fee
I've been researching Agonia's pedigree (my Russian girl) and in particular her dam Arina. I found Robbie den Hartog (info@kossack.com) ever so helpful and he knew a lot about her and her predecessors.
I have finally tracked Arina down and have been in contact with her current owners in Switzerland. They sent me some pictures of her a while back, which was lovely to add to my Goni scrap book!
Best of luck looking for Polinezia, she sounds one extroardinary mare. I'm sure someone must know something about her.
By the way - I love the pictures of Po in your signature - she's so beautiful!
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 3:37:28 PM
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Well, My Russian Mares Mag 1988,arrived from the US today, In the Tersk Lines article, Gips with pic, gets a mention as stud stallion, with his breeding (Mashuk x Polinesia by Nabeg), he's much darker in this pic,his dam also has a mention, see below. and I think I've already seen other off springs mentioned from this line.
Mashuk's masterpiece,however, is the young stallion Gips, one of Tersk's brand new junior sire's, just brought in of the track after 13 races and four wins.Gips is an impressive dark grey with great style and type. His dam is Polinesia (spelt with an S), by Nabeg out of Polnoch by Nil. He has covered 12 mares this year, mostly daughters of Aswan,and adds what has become increasingly evident to Tersk visitors during the last few years.We find that Aswan is even better as a grandsire than a sire.Four mares in the sale were bred to him, since non of these were sold, the first foals of this promising young stallion will be due at Tersk next year..(1989)...
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razgold
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 5:08:52 PM
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How do you put a picture on All breeds? Do you have to be a member of it? I can go on All Breeds but I'm restricted to where I can go as I'm not a paid up member.
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Fee
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 7:44:42 PM
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Thank you Kash, what a great ending to finally track her down
Polinezia would be 30 this year and she a had about 12 or 13 foals (at least) So, I am presuming she is no longer with us. I would like to find out as much as I can about her and MAYBE write a little piece in her honour on the 30th year since her birth. But I will probably not share it as writing is not my forte So long as I know I have done it, that'll be enough I'm sure 
I did email Robbie den Hartog last year after I got Po, but no reply. I presumed he was too busy and I didn't pursue it. I did only ask about Po back then as well. I will try him again for them both this time Did you have to email him lots?
Sue interesting stuff...thank you. Polianka's sire, Karnaval is an Aswan grandson I was told by Barb in France that he (Karnaval) had the most amazing wonderful temperament and I believe he raced and was shown...but I don't know much about him either
Sue (razgold) it's really easy to put a pic on allbreeds and no, you don't need to be a member! Go to 'Maintainence' then 'Edit Infomation' You will have to have your picture already uploaded on e.g. Flickr, then just copy and paste the URL. You can also edit the information/data about the horse. Hope that all works!
Gonna go and trawl all those sites you have recommended Sue (Rozy)
Speak soon...
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Jingo
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Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 9:31:18 PM
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As I have two Polinezia daughters - one by Piligrim so line bred to Polinezia and one by Aromat - also four grand daughters and one great grand daughter. Below is the extract from the Russian stud book and also her tail female line going back to Milordka.
The only photo I ever found of Polinezia is the one I sent to you Fee and is on allbreeds.
I have numerous photos of Gips - he is with Gestut Fischer in Germany and much loved. Will try and post some later.
Emma if you do find a photo of Polinezia - I would also love to see it.
POLINEZIA
Polinezia (SU) (Nabeg x Polnoch) raced for one year and was placed twice from four starts. She is dam of Gips (by Mashuk) who is an Elite ** ECAHO Stallion with the following impressive show record: Int Champion Frauenfeld, All Nations Cup Champion, Aachen, European Champ Res, Menton, International Champ Wels, International Champ Cervia. Top Ten World Champs Paris, European Champ Verona. He raced in 1986 and from 6 starts he achieved 2 x firsts & 1 x third. Pamir (by Mashuk), Derjava (by Aswan) Polianka (by Karnaval) and our own Perspektiva (by Piligrim)
Nabeg raced for two seasons and from 9 starts gained 2 x firsts, 1 x second and 3 x thirds. He was the sire of Poznan, twice US National Top Ten Mare, Penza 1983 Dutch National Champ Mare and Champ Mare of Europe. Nabeg was the progenitor of the Arax line. Sire of Pesniar, Menes, Princip, Ptersk, Peleng, Tallin, Prononce, Nadejni to name but a few.
Nabeg left his mark on Russian breeding but he died young at 12 yrs with only 77 descendants.
Taken from Russian Stud Book Vol VIII
521 POLINEZIA 14 (RASB V, 160)
Tersk Stud
Grey, 15/III 1977, Tersk Stud
121 Nabeg – 156Polnoch.
Tersk Stud
1981 not covered in 1980
1982 01/II colt Bum 27 by 176 Moment (24/II)
1983 19/III filly died by 155 Patriot 18 (20/IV)
1984 03/III grey colt 252 Gips 7 by Mashuk 4 (04/IV)
1985 12/II bay filly 810 Derjava 8 by Aswan (18/III)
1986 28/I grey colt Pomor 34 by 193 Mashuk 4 (25II)
1987 25/I grey colt Pamir 36 by 193 Mashuk 4 (23/II)
1988 11/I grey colt Prikumsk 29 by 193 Mashuk 4 (12/II)
1989 15/V grey colt Predlog 39 by 228 Gusar 10 (06/VI)
1990 21/V bay colt Pogon 36 by 193 Mashuk 4 (13/VI)
1991 26/V bay filly 1000 Pritcha 8 by 218 Aromat 16 (23/VI)
1992 12/V grey filly Piesa 3 by 218 Aromat 16 (13/VI)
1993 3/V colt died by 255 Desant 4 (28/V)
1994 16/III slipped foal by 221 Balaton 16 (14/VII)
1995 (16/XII 1994) slipped foal by 221 Balaton 16 (29/V)
1996 10/V grey filly Polianka 29 by Karnaval 53 (09/VI)
1997 13/IV grey filly Perspektiva 30 by 337 Piligrim 23
POLINEZIA
1977 M NABEG
1966 POLNOCH
1961
POLNOCH
1961 M NIL
1951 PANKARTA
1954
PANKARTA
1954 M PRIBOJ
1944 KRALIA
1940
KRALIA
1940 M OFIR
1933 KONFEDERACJA
1929
KONFEDERACJA
1929 M FARYS II
1905 KOALICJA
1918
KOALICJA
1918 M KOHEILAN IV
1904 AMURATH
1901
AMURATH
1901 M AMURATH
1881 MALTA
1892
MALTA
1892 M HANDZAR
1882 REPUBLIKA
1876
REPUBLIKA
1876 M EZRAK-SEGLAWI
1866 HERALDYKA
1868
HERALDYKA
1868 M EMIR-BESZYR
LUBA
1860
LUBA
1860 M KOHEJLAN ABU-ARGUB
PRUSZYNA
1846
PRUSZYNA
1846 M KRAKUS
1837 OSTROUSZKA
1837
OSTROUSZKA
1837 M BABILON
1831 ZAIRA
1826
ZAIRA
1826 M SEGLAWI
MILORDKA
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MILORDKA
1816 M #
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MILORDKA
Founder of Polish Female family nr 5.
Milordka was a grey, foaled in 1816 at Slawuta. Dr Skorkowski writes of accepting the strains of Milordka and Woloszka as Saklawi strains, because they showed the features of the Saklawi race to the highest degree. *
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Kash
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Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 09:38:51 AM
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It took about 5 months of constant emails to various people throughout the Arab world to finally track Arina down - but it was worth it! Everyone was ever so helpful though and didn't seem to mind me pestering them so don't give up!
I think that's a lovely idea and keeps her memory going. Robbie den Hartog replied a couple of days after I emailed him - I can imagine he's a very busy man though but definitely give him another try.
Wow I've not seen a picture of Gips before - he looks awesome!! I love his colouring too.
Anyway good luck again Fee,
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