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silv
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 Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 2:33:49 PM
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Hi,
Just wondered how much of a demand there was in this country for stallions of old crabbet lines.
My boys father is possibly for sale,breeding is El Santo/Silver Blue Wings.How much would I expect to pay for him and would people want to use his sort of breeding?
He is nearly 13yrs,not ridden,not shown,quite unknown really!!
Your views greatly appreciated.
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Libby Frost
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 4:28:33 PM
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| WE have allways stayed with the crabbet/old english side of breeding.I just love them.simple as that. |
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silv
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 5:27:45 PM
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I do too
I am just being sentimental about this one though!!He has done nothing for a few years,and I tracked him down again after last seeing him 8 years ago.A friend has an arab mare and as my boy is not a BOY!!!the next best thing was to use his sire,and the guy says"make me an offer"So I really am thinking with my heart,not my head!!Its just that he would have to earn his keep and I really dont know if he would. |
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 7:07:14 PM
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| Silv ,lovely bloodlines mate. where are you? We are allways interested in the whereabouts of crabbet stock.Unfortunatly their not very fashionable at the moment but a nice correct stallion must be worth at least 2-3 thousand,hard to say really,im not in the buying /selling market. |
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Lisa
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 7:20:09 PM
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| Don't want to be a wet blanket but very few stallions earn their keep so unless you could buy him for a few hundred and have your own land or can keep him relatively cheaply it's not going to be a very cost effective situation. On the other hand if you want another horse and can live with getting the odd mare now and again go for it! |
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silv
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 8:45:26 PM
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Libby....I am in Norfolk.He is a lovely boy
Lisa....I am being ruled from the heart I'm afraid We are leasing land from the summer for 15 yr contract so whats one more to the collection
Really he should just cover the mare and that would be that.BUT....... |
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Jan 2004 : 10:34:29 PM
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Back to the old addage that a horse is only worth what one buyer will pay. I've seen some lovely pure bred Arabs go through the sale ring for a couple of hundred, and unless the stallion has some sort of show / performance background he should be less than 4 figures - have you not noticed how hard it is to sell an older stallion.
On the other hand, it would be a shame to lose his bloodlines, so good luck with your offer.
I am lucky that there is a lovely Crabbet stallion just down the road - 30 odd miles - for my Crabbet mare when we decide to breed from her. Perhaps I should stop hanging about! |
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silv
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Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 08:27:42 AM
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Go for it Pat
Thanks peeps,think I may be more sensible now that I've slept on it |
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Shirley Charlton
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Posted - 13 Jan 2004 : 1:28:24 PM
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Hi Silv,
I got my second Arab Stallion last year. (Silva Dollar, high percentage Crabbet / Old English) My first was many years ago and he was not used much on outside mares.
Dollar does Endurance and I have 5 mares for him to cover. At the moment he is running out with 3 of the mares. I have my own stables and fields but it still cost me over a thousand pounds to build a permanent double electric fence, 5ft apart and 4ft high. This separates him from the mares he won't be covering and the geldings. In the summer all the mares go to the furtherest fields and he can't see them. Visiting mares can be stabled, put in field with or next to him. In the summer he has a gelding to keep him company but only because Dollar has a marvelous temperament, not all stallions can be put out with another boy, gelded or not.
I thought long and hard before I got Dollar and had all the fencing and stabling ready for him before he came home. I don't want to put a damper on your possible new horse but please let your head rule your heart!
We are contemplating getting a 2nd stallion this year, as Dollar is 19 yrs old and still competeing plus not all my mares are Crabbet. Our stallions will always be ridden so if they don't get many mares they are still enjoying life.
Shirley
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georgiauk
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silv
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 08:17:20 AM
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| Shirley...Thanks for that.I do realise it envolves all the fencing etc as you say,and I have worked around stallions a lot,but its nice to know there are people around to set you straight on matters that may not have been thought about.I am now thinking with my HEAD ( I am! )we are just going to get the mare covered by him |
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Vygoda
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 09:23:15 AM
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Hi Silv,
We have and still do stand Crabbet stallions at stud and have many mares too of the definiton. We have always retained some lines 'straight' Crabbet.
One of the problems about getting outside mares is what are considered Crabbet bloodlines, everyone has their own idea about a definition; at the Crabbet Convention, there were many mistakes made in the catalogue about percentages. Corrections were announced on the day but I don't know if these have been published - if anyone has the corrections in writing, it would be great to have them.
What I really want to say is, even if you can afford it, don't buy a stallion of any bloodline expecting to have any outside mares to help pay his costs.
If you are a serious breeder, the stallion should be for you to breed what you want from your own mare/s, about what horses you like and what bloodlines, not about income from stud fees though it does help financially if u have outside mares .
I am also wondering why u want to buy the father when you have the son? . You didn't say if the son is a gelding!
But what a great pedigree Dad has.
Let us know if you buy or not Silv.
Jane
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Vygoda
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 09:31:21 AM
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Sorry Silv,
Just re-read the thread again, of course your boy is a gelding  .
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silv
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 1:26:53 PM
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Jane...Yes sadly he is a gelding Although I bought him cos I liked what I saw,and liked the blood lines,he actually turned into a really evil/nasty little thing.I then decided that his temperament was not something I would seek in a potential sire!!!He was actually really dangerous to handle....so came the CHOP
Now he is so kind,loving,and special,that this to me is a second chance if you like
Dad is very kind and gentle too
My friend who owns the mare,loves him to bits too,so the babe would be a part of each horseAm I being really sad
The mare is bred Zircon Nazeer/Crystal Jasmeen.
We have decided though that we will not buy dad. |
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Libby Frost
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razgold
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 6:32:27 PM
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Crystal Jasmeen is by Crystal Magician out of Gai Gayla.
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silv
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 8:19:59 PM
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Anyone enlighten us on how Gai Gayla is bred? somebody said spanish,is that correct?
We are just trying to work out percentage of breeding of our mare |
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razgold
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 8:50:42 PM
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Gay Gayla is by Gai Gaspacho out of Dalyl who is by Haroun out of Dyala. I can't find any Spanish at all in her pedigree but she had a small percentage of Polish. She is full of Crabbet and GSB horses. Really nice breeding.
Sue.
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Lisa
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 9:16:17 PM
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Gai Gayla - Grey, 1984, Bred by Mrs M. Stoller,
SIRE:- GAI GASPACHO (AHRA 143446) 1976 Grey by Gai Parada (Ferzon/Azleta) x Gai Grise (Ferzon/Gavrelle). Gai Gaspacho was bred by Daniel C. Chainey, Owatonna, Minnesota, USA and imported by Mrs J. F. D. Trimingham, The Grange Arabian Stud, Carrington, Boston, Lincs in 1983, Strain - Kehailan Jellabi
DAM:- DALYL 1973 Chestnut bred by Mr Michael Pitt-Rivers by Haroun (Hanif/Indian Snowflake) x Dyala (Darjeel/Dancing Diamond). Dyala 1969 Chestnut mare was bred by The Crabbet Stud.
Hope this helps! |
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silv
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Shirley Charlton
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Posted - 14 Jan 2004 : 11:20:49 PM
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Hi Lynn,
He was a Manto son!
As for the new stallion, hav'nt looked. I love the Crabbet horses so maybe a full or high percentage one again, but I fully intend to keep a son from Dollar.
Then again, I love my Polish mare ZaZu (the one you liked).
Does anyone have a Polish/Crabbet horse and how do they cross?
My French gelding, high percentage Egyptian is a great ride, fast and sure footed. Brakes not good at first but that's because he's keen. He competed for GB in 2000. His Sire is Rouse Nefous (Ibn Monet El Nefous x Bah Rouse)Ansata Abbaspasha, Morafic. He also has a fantastic nature, just loves to be cuddled.
After reading what I've just written, I sound really not sure. I suppose I am, but I do know that HE will find me. The one thing I do know is that he will not be a foal.
Shirley
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DibDob
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Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 12:01:55 PM
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Silv
I am looking for a Crabbet stallion for my mare this spring and am also in Norfolk, we are also about to move and are looking at a farm near Hainford with 38 acres. Could you let me know where the stallion is you are talking about, maybe we could go into partnership and buy and keep him between us if we live close enough?!!!!
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silv
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Posted - 16 Jan 2004 : 2:30:47 PM
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Hi Deb,At Hainford,you will be all of 20 mins from us
Would be very interested in sorting something out.
Email me....addy on my posts. |
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Deboniks
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Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 10:13:13 PM
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Hi Deb
Dianne Ellis has 2 stallions for loan/sale El Sharluke and Marbon Mystro. She also has mares and some in foal? 100% Crabbet lovely breeding
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garside
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Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 10:41:27 PM
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 hello im new here....i just wanted to add that ive just took on diane ellis's 'el sharluke' as im sure you know he is pure crabbet bred...and 22 years old....i shall use him to cover my welsh ponies and we will bring him out under saddle, im very happyas he is a very nice horse..... |
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Susan
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Posted - 20 Jan 2004 : 10:55:23 PM
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Interested in finding out if Silver Blue wings is by Silver Blue?
I have a young mare Silver blue Rose by kheiralla out of Silver Blue diamond
Susan Mcarthur
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