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hmoses
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 7:47:42 PM
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Hi I'm new here. I was sent here by someone on the Bridleways site because I'm looking for information about my arab. Bobby (proper name Palamine) was bred as a racer in France by Sheik Ahmed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum. He is now 9 and I bought him a year ago from a lady in Wales who had bought him in August 2005 from Ascot sales. I would like to know how I can find out if he ever raced and the name and location of the stud. He is registered in the French arab stud book but it costs to access that on line and I couldn't work out how much or how to do it. His sire was Bakara and his dam was Palmitta. I can go back further as I have his passport. I have questions about that too but I'll wait til next time to ask those!! Thanks, I would appreciate some help.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 8:17:22 PM
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| Hi, I was there when Palamine(1998) a chestnut was sold at Ascot and I know the people in Wales that bought him, I also new he'd gone near to us near Bromsgrove, So a Big Welcome and how's your horse doing..He's realy realy well bred, and when we asked about which one we should buy at the sale,,they said Palamine, he's our favourite...So how did he turn out and what are you doing with him...dont keep us in suspense tell us....please...and I see he's on the allbreeds site palamine2.....Sue... |
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Pauline
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Posted - 27 Oct 2006 : 8:37:37 PM
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Hilary
Welcome to Arabian Lines.
Can you give me a bit more info from his passport and i maybe able to help.
Do you have a good picture of him and I can put it on Allbreeds for you.Have put him onto Allbreeds for you as long as the info I have is correct.
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Pauline
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hmoses
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 3:26:09 PM
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OH MY GOD!!  How exciting. Isn't it a small world?! Sue - I can't believe you're just down the road. Whereabouts in Bromsgrove are you? To say that people from all over the world log on here, how much of a coincidence is that?!
Yes there were 2 for sale when I went to buy Bobby but we christened the other one 'windmill legs'! He was a lovely horse but his front legs had the weirdest action. Bobby, on the other hand, struck me as a really genuine, sweet, delicate little horse and I'm glad you didn't buy him (did he go for too much?) because he is a dream and I am so lucky to have him. As soon as I got on him I felt safe and pretty much have ever since.
After I got him last October I spent the winter letting him settle in and hacking out. Unfortunately in April I got pneumonia and didn't ride til June when we started doing some in hand showing. He has won lots locally at small shows but showing is not my thing and to be fair, Bobby is not your typical showy arab so that's not a route I particularly want to follow. I do want to school him more over the winter and maybe do some ridden showing next year but I really want him to be a good all rounder doing a little bit of dressage, Trec and long distance rides. We've even done some show jumping! He and I are explorers, I love to go off to different places to ride and the main reason I bought him is because my other horse is traffic shy and I was missing my hacking so much. Bobby will quite happily trot along a dual carriageway and is more scared of dock leaves growing in the hedge!
Pauline - thanks for putting him on the allbreeds site. What is the address for that? I don't have a good picture of him yet but will try and do one. It'll take me longer to figure out how to get it on here!! Bobbys sire Bakara is by Baroud III and Nevada II. His dam is by Mukomol and Piksha. After both of their names (the dams side) it has in brackets (SU). What does this mean? His sire is registered in the french arab stud book and his dam is registered (if I'm reading this right) in the french arab stud book and the russian arab stud book, if thats what L'URSS means. I can go back one more stage if that helps.
Thanks for the help so far guys. You can't believe how excited I was to read your replies |
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Pauline
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Moosie
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 8:09:48 PM
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| Hilary, I was the sales in 2005 as well - your horse was bought by a Mrs P Reid for £1,000. In the catalogue it said he was broken and ridden away, also "a quiet ride and suitable for endurance". Doesnt look as if he ever raced - there were a few slightly older horses there only just backed so I wouldnt read anything into that. I know he came over from France the day before the sales in a contingent of around 20. He certainly seemed a sweet little horse and its great to know he has a lovely home. His dam is Russian (SU) means Soviet Union I think - she raced very successfully and bred around three foals that I know of. I think she was grey. I think he may have been gelded late as he was down as a colt in the catalogue. His sire also raced but isnt used as a racehorse sire very much at the moment. You will probably find the location of the stud where he was bred in the French passport. Hope this is helpful! |
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Pauline
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 8:27:14 PM
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Mrs Penny Reid lives in Lambourne.
She does a lot of endurance.
Have known penny for a number of years.I'm sure if you contacted Penny she would help you.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Oct 2006 : 8:28:23 PM
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| Hi Hilary, Just adding your horse was bought at ascot by a Penny but it was not Penny Reid...I picked up the passports that day so I'm sure he went off to North Wales,is that where you picked him up, and it sounds as if you've got the right horse,he sounds lovely. I know several people that have bought Ascot horses and a few that have come from the same vendor in Nt. Wales, some post on here.....We're not too far away from you and yours is our old stomping ground...and the local shows, brings back memories,and Good Luck. Sue |
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hmoses
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 9:46:38 PM
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Well now I've finished staring in awe and wonder at my mucho posh well bred horse, I'm back! He's very posh on mums side isn't he?!
Pauline - I tried to send you a picture but my computer said there was an error with your address I think. If you send me an e mail you will automatically be added to my address book if I reply so I may be able to get round it that way. My address is john.hemingway@virgin.net
Yes it was a Penny that bought Bobby but its the one in Wales not the one in Lambourn. She said they were hoping to move to France. Do you know if thats happened yet Sue? My friend, who only came to keep me company on the drive to Wales, ended up buying a horse the same day I bought Bobby and we said we'd keep Penny up to date with photos etc, but there's not much point if she's moved. And if you want to come and see Bobby you are more than welcome if you still live in the area.
Moosie - yes you're right. His mum is grey and so are a lot of others on his mums side. I think they made a mistake in the catalogue because I have the sign that was obviously on show with Bobby at Ascot which says 'Palamine is a gelding not a colt'. If you still have the catalogue could you photocopy the page he was on and send it to me if I give you my address? It would be another little piece of his history. I'm not surprised his dad is not used for a stud anymore. If he's still alive he will be 32!! The passport doesn't say where the stud is, it just says 'Place where bred' - Departement:Haute- Garonne
Region:Midi-Pyrenees
So if anyone knows where there is a stud in that area owned by the Sheik I named at the top of the post, I would be very grateful for the name. You all seem so knowledgeable on this site you're getting me hooked too. Its fascinating looking back at their breeding.
Off to do some more staring......... |
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 10:56:25 PM
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When Penny went to pay for the gelding she took the colt sign off the door with her and had them change it in the office,spose incase there was any future querie with his tackle or the lack of it....The french gang are often about and if your ever at Ascot you might catch them.
Which horse did your pal get and have not heard that they've left the country yet.
Not too far from you and often visit the area..might be able to make a visit one of the days...sounds good to have a horse your enjoying and no probs.these arabs like the one to one.No probs if you want a page from the cat copied you'll just have to give me notice or leave me an email and I'll photo it and send it.... Sue
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Moosie
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Posted - 01 Nov 2006 : 8:40:47 PM
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Hi Hilary, Yes of course I can do you a copy of the page from the catalogue but looks like Sue (Rozy Rider) has already got it in hand? I have a mare also bred at "Haute Garonne, Midi Pyrenees". I think Sheikh Mohammed has more than one arabian stud in the area - not surprising as he breeds loads of horses (probably why some of the details can be slightly inaccurate maybe) There was a 3 y.old by Bakara at this years Ascot sales so he was obviously pretty durable!
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Posted - 01 Nov 2006 : 10:43:58 PM
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| Will sort you a copy Hilary, there's been a few by Bakara through the sales, who's brother to Cheri Bibi, who sired Bengali D'Albret. and If I say we often ride over Clent and Romsley will that be close enough..and today spoke to someone else who bought a horse from Nth Wales x Andalusian.... Sue |
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hmoses
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 5:29:45 PM
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Sorry Sue I'm really ignorant about arab racing. Are the arabs related to Bakara that you mention very famous? I wouldn't have a clue! Have sent you a thank you e-mail for the catalogue page. Hopefully I'll know more soon but I expect they have so many horses they won't bother to reply.
I know Clent and Romsley. I often box my traffic shy horse up to Clent so I can ride him off road.
My friend who bought a horse from Penny when I bought Bobby bought a 14.2 welsh arab cross. Turns out he has an impeccable family tree - very big in the showing world. He plaits so would not do well in the showing ring but she only bought him to have fun on and we've certainly had that since the two of them arrived together.
Moosie, how old is your mare? I think I might have found out the name of the stud by following clues on the catalogue page. The sheikh has 3 studs in France and I've e-mailed the one I narrowed it down to. Fingers crossed I can find out some more. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 02 Nov 2006 : 9:17:03 PM
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The names have changed, it's Janah now. I'm wondering what questions you've asked.....and smiling....The person to answer the racing and form questions is Paul Simons, he has access to all the racing breeding, form, etc., and usually can provide an update.
Is Bakara(1974) ??? still alive(?AI) and if so, did you find where he was stationed....and at stud...RU on dams side looks interesting... and I think those through the sale(s) had not run....you'll have to start sudying form.
OH and before I forget, who sent you from which bridleways....
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Moosie
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Posted - 03 Nov 2006 : 1:22:01 PM
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| Hi Hilary, my mare (filly) is 4. She was bred at the stud in France (Haute Garonne etc!) but has, according to her passport, been in UK since 17.3.05. I bought her at this years sales and she was described as being "in training" but she hasnt run yet.(Im thinking of trying her next season). She is of completely different bloodlines from your boy though. I dont think Bakara was terribly successful as a racehorse sire but he has sired a couple of winners that I know of. He may well have been used as an endurance sire as well. Be really interested in anything you can find out! (my filly is called Pacific Way) |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 05 Nov 2006 : 9:17:57 PM
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| Oh, Sorry I thought you ment Bridleways Group...not this one...I also know Bobby from Bridleway Rides in Bromsgrove....and the BHS Bridleways person in Worcestershire....Sue |
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Kais
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Posted - 05 Nov 2006 : 10:27:09 PM
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hi Sue there are lots of groups which has to be good but it is a shame they can not all join up to get a bigger say
I do not know why it says I am a new member I do not post often but have been here 2 years |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 06 Nov 2006 : 10:36:24 PM
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| Just opened a 7 mile off road route for the Sabrina Way around here, after upgrading 7 footpaths to Bridleway, taken me 8 years but only had one claim fail so far..others ongoing..... so keep at it, it can work.....You can bring Your French Racer on one of my rides next year, get him up to 20mile and join us.....and the Bridleway groups are joined up..are you in the Worcestershire one..cause we do all work together...and loads of stuff gets circulated from around the country.....we've all got fingers in pies.....Did I say that when we went to The Horse Live this weekend, they had a blow up pic of me & hoss on the Endurance stand......fame at last..... |
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hmoses
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Posted - 10 Nov 2006 : 7:01:21 PM
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I'm always interested in riding off road and long distance. Where can I find out about this new 7 mile bit on the Sabrina Way? I'm not in any bridleways groups. Is the Worcs one you mention the BHS one? I went to Your Horse Live. It was great, as usual.Pity we didn't know beforehand that you were going to be famous or we could all have looked out for your picture!
From your earlier post - what do you mean when you say the name has changed to Janah now? I don't know if Bakara is still alive, he would be a bit wobbly now wouldn't he?! Still waiting to hear from the man I e-mailed. Don't really hold out much hope. I found him through the Darley Arabians World (france) web site. They seem to own the stud that brought Bobby into the country. |
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Posted - 10 Nov 2006 : 11:29:38 PM
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Hi, There are loads of rides around here, not too far from you if you have transport and we are always heading off around the country to organised endurance rides in nice places, no need to be a member often you can pleasure ride at the same events and lesser miles than the other lot...If you get your horse up to 20 miles fit and can work to a 6mph speed you could go places and have realy good days out...Also in the Staffs area they have a local group where they are all realy realy friendly and run local rides, there was one in Mortimer Forest in Sept, Wyre Forest in July (another coming up in Nov) and I run a couple of rides around here New Sabrina bits etc. over the bridleways....I'll leave you the contact details on you email.....Endurance GB has rides all over, Lake Vyrwny in June, Cirencester Park June, Forest of Dean ?April. you've got plenty of time to sort out these sort of rides for nest time..
I think the BHS do have some routes on their Ride UK, but have never got around to looking, I have the routes for five that are open on Ride Uk on and around the Shropshire Hill, but there is road included in them, which is not our cup of tea....Oh just thought of another nice ride for early May next year, Clee Hill..15miles.PR.
Remind me and I'll sort you a route out for Sabrina...
I met three women riding this long distance route through here a few weeks ago, they had stopped overnight near Weston Park and were heading down towards the River Seven to cross over at Coalport bridge and then on their way to Wyre Forest and Worcestershire..and Monmouth eventually....they started off in Scarborough on the East coast That on the BHS web page under bog ??? and I get a mention there too ( won't be able to get my hat on), so does Mark Weston.
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Posted - 10 Dec 2006 : 1:35:57 PM
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| Moosie, Did you get any response about your Pacific Way and does she have a crescent shaped star & two white hinds...Sue.. |
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Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 12:59:41 PM
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| She has a diamond shaped star, is dark chestnut with a few white flecks and one white hind up to the fetlock, ditto in front. I havent really tried to contact anyone about her as I think the info you get at the sales is all youre likely to get! We just quizzed the stable staff a bit re temperament and ride - but they have so many the info is bound to be limited. |
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Posted - 11 Dec 2006 : 2:53:16 PM
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| I took photos this year at the sale and I thought I might have one of your mare,they were just before the rain started to come down in buckets..will have another look....Sue |
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