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kelly1982
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 Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 1:38:00 PM
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Hi, all i can judge is that she has excellent conformation and nature, but i would like to know whether her bloodlines are worth cotinuing.
Name: Marchant Rainstorm
Sire: The mardi gras (sixpenny Moon/ Carnival)
Dam: Eastern Chant (El Zayid/ Maranatha)
Thanks for any advice!
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pat ww
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Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 2:15:49 PM
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Have you considered the reason why you want a foal, and if your mare is Anglo what breed of sire yuo would choose?
You have the basics in good conformation and temperament, but A 25% Arab 75% TB can still look more pure bred Arab than some actual pure breds, and often people looking for Anglo's don't like to see the Arab charactersitics. Strange but true.
I would say first think of the career for the potential foal before making a decision. Then choose a sire who has reached that pinnacle himself, whether for Anglo racing, success on the racecourse or show ring. And be sure the sire complements your mare. |
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kelly1982
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Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 2:22:05 PM
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Hi, thanks. I want the foal to be an alrounder with am aptitude for jumping. So the stallion would be alng the lines of a smallish jumping horse, tbx or maybe a trakenher. She stands at 16hh.
My main concern is that as i've done equine breeding studies at uni, we've had it drummed into us that it the horse hasn't got the credentials, don't even start to think about breeding from it. She does have pink AHS papers, but i'm just not sure whether her line warrant being continued. |
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Serin
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Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 2:40:39 PM
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I was going to suggest An Andulusian / lusitano but you want a jumping horse , so i would be tempted to go for a Trakenher or an ID x TB ,
I dont know about her lines to be honest but if the foal is for you then i would say its for your mares merits , temperament and conformation .
I was going to breed for my AngloArab , my vet suggested it when she got Arthritis in the Autumn but i have decided to buy a foal instead because although my mares breeding is Fab and she has won alot i feel this would be a wiser option for me .
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pat ww
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Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 2:41:54 PM
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I would say that bloodlines are not so important as she is an Anglo, as she is already carrying a mix of 2 breeds. Uni would be right about the credentials, but until recently many of the outstanding performance horses had no recored bloodline history! I think it is more important that you look at her own performance and be guided by that. She does not have to win competitively, if she has the heart to give you 100%.
No-no's for breeding include unsoundness and temperament, as you need to know why she was unsound, and she is ther foals first teacher, so the temperament can be learned or acquired. I've watched a couple of nice foals, improvements on their dams, develope the same temperamental quirks and become unpleasant to be around, and a hazard to other horses. |
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 5:38:58 PM
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we used to have some mares called "Eastern" bred by a lady called Doreen Woodroolf or something similar our girls were called Eastern Success by Eastern Firedance out of court Royal and silver wings Quality by El zarex and i cannot remember the dam!(eastern something )   how annoying!my point is i wonder if yours is from the same family?? |
Edited by - Libby Frost on 28 Nov 2003 5:40:35 PM |
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kelly1982
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Posted - 28 Nov 2003 : 8:09:27 PM
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| Hi, ta. As far as i know, she was bred by ms v Reeves. lyn Kane owned stallion. She was born in '91. My mares completely sound, and is an angel to handle and be around. I have no doubts about her ability as a mother, her paces on the flat are amazing she's a beautiful horse to watch and has won showing. On her fathers side, i've traced sixpenny moon to be a quality stallion which has bred many grade A showjumpers. Any second foal would be a finer type, TB or pure arab. |
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pat ww
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Posted - 29 Nov 2003 : 08:53:07 AM
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| It sounds like you should go for it, best of luck on the hunt for a suitable sire, let us know how you get on. |
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sub
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Posted - 29 Nov 2003 : 9:31:14 PM
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Do you have any potential sires lined up?
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joe
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Posted - 29 Nov 2003 : 10:43:52 PM
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| Another point to consider when breedig for somthing specific, ie,to jump, is what if your foal turns out to be a non-jumper and would rather keep all their feet on the ground at he same time! Would you be able to part with the horse, being out of your own mare, or would you keep it and try something else with it? Not trying to put a dampener o your idea but there are a lot of people in our area who seem to breed for the wrong reasons, namely sentimental. |
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emma
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Posted - 30 Nov 2003 : 1:25:18 PM
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| In reply to Pat WW, where you say that bloodlines are not so important in an anglo i am afraid i will have to disagree. My main experience is with showing, if you intend to sell the foal, having well known bloodlines helps advertise the horse and increases your chances of selling, particularly to non arab showing people. Many arab bloodlines are well known out of the arab world for producing top class show horses and ponies. As success goes in the ring, there are definately some bloodlines that consistently produce winners. Finding out about the breeding of your mare will help you enormously to chose a suitable stallion, you may be able to find other horses of similar crosses and see the results of them. The more you can find out about your mare the better. |
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pat ww
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Posted - 30 Nov 2003 : 6:59:31 PM
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Hi emma, I would not disagree with you over well known and popular bloodlines when it come to selling a foal. But just because the bloodlines have a well known stud name does not necessarily mean they are better horses at the end of the day.
Better known horses are likely to attract showing / competitive homes, where the stock have a chance to further promote the names. If you have followed the threads on conformation / type, there is hot debate on many very well known pure bred Arab show winners with less than perfect conformation.
If you are breeding a cross, of any breed, most people would not choose the typiest mate if it had conformation faults as a horse, as the resulting offspring of a cross breed mating would not be expected to exhibit the 'type' qualities of its parents, but a mix of their points. Why risk a conformation fault occuring which would than devalue the foal.
I also agree that if you have the time and resources an intending breeder would check out the relatives. The point on bloodlines was that unless you are breeding within the breed and not outcrossing, then the "heritage" side of breeding no longer becomes relevant.
If you had a pure bred of any breed, the last surviving female line of a famous ancestor, then you would want to keep that heritage and not use it as an outcross to a DIFFERENT breed. As the mare in question is an Anglo, she could exhibit characteristics that would be completely different for an Anglo of different breeding. At this point, the best choice of mate is one that complements that mare as an individual.
This I believe is what kelly 1982 is trying to research, by people who have known her horses ancestors, to try to make an informed decision on breeding her mare.
TB's can range from the super pretty pony sires like McGredy, to the 17.2 steeplechaser, who looks more like a hunter. And anything in the middle. In TB's with the emphasis on race results there is a lot of poor conformation, that breeds on because it is fast and only has to stay sound for a couple of seasons.
Breeding for sale is always a risk. As a once regular at Beeston market, every week there are up to 100 horses and ponies being sold, many unbroken youngsters. To see a 16 hand 'Irish' bred gelding (no offence as its probably untrue!) go for 4 or 5 hundred as a 3 year old is pitiful. With a bit more forethought, they may have chosen a mate that improved the short low carried weak neck, the overlong pasterns, the upright shoulder, and maybe it would have had a chance in life.
And of course some of the best in terms of sound performance horses, never breed on, Arkle, Red Rum etc ad infinitum were geldings! Their fame is often acquired long after sire and dam are departed and the breeding is not repeatable.
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kelly1982
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Posted - 30 Nov 2003 : 7:10:09 PM
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The foal wouldn't be bred to be sold, i would be breeding a foal for me to bring on and have plenty of fun with. I have a 3 yr old cob which i intend to xc eventually and this mare which i acquired from a friend. She will have a home with me for life and i want to unaffiliated dressage her at some point as she cannot show anymore due to scar tissue build up on the back leg after a barb wire incident before i got her.
I have thought about using the eventer stallion broadstone landmark based at Writtle stud. This would ideally give me a horse which is well bred, and a good alrounder. My mare doesn't particulary like to jump either, so it isn't really an issue if the foal doesn't turn out to be a jumping superstar as thats not what i'm looking for! 3'6-4ft at norton heath/ towerlands would do me fine! |
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kelly1982
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Posted - 30 Nov 2003 : 7:12:12 PM
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| Also, i haven't disgarded putting her to a good quality arab stallion either. |
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paul_exe
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Posted - 30 Nov 2003 : 10:04:04 PM
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| Sounds to me Kelly that you are going to go ahead with breeding from your mare... Go for it gal |
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