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LYNDILOU
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 Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 08:07:41 AM
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So how are you feeling this morning Sue? I must admit to having a couple myself last night
As far as type goes and it must count for a lot in the show ring, an arab MUST look like an arab, should move like an arab, carry itself like an arab, the only thing is some people are not sure what constitutes type anymore, has type changed from the horse of the desert? they are certainly bigger! I have seen arabs at 16hands imagine the beduins trying to clamber on those in the desert before charging off to war ( you might have seen some funny sights ) the early paintings of the desert arabian seem to show the type that is most often admired and I for one would like to see this type of arabian continue. |
   
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SueB
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 09:12:20 AM
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It must be these new tablets I'm on!! don't mix with alcohol, not even one glass
I think the term 'type' is still the same. As always if you have a class of 7 arabs all well conformed all showing type, all stand 15.2, one of the tall ones will win!
We want the typiest, most well conformed arab to win, end of story.
I consider movement as part of type, although not in the extreme, just plain old free movement with a good high tail carriage helps!
My own filly is a good example of a well conformed filly, who will only show off if it so suits her!! on a good day she looks wonderful, tail aloft and moves very freely and bounces! on her bad day she resembles an old age pensioner shuffling her trolly out shopping!
So we don't win that day......
We must consider type first and formost or we could be in danger of being in the next ring judging the cobs.
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nikki
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 10:23:30 AM
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| The Amiri Stud of Bahrain has been breeding arabian horses long before Crabbet. Alot of their horses go up to 16hh. These horses descend from the original arabs that they rode into battle, all those hundreds of years ago! Unchanged by fashion, bred by tradition! Plain they may be, but to me they are the original arab war horse, and i love them! |
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LYNDILOU
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Mike
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 11:27:13 AM
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I think that it is fair to say that there were always some taller arabians around, Bairactar (1813) stood 15h2 and you could always put a measuring stick on him (or at least his skeleton) if you like
The concensus was (many moons ago) that type looked like this
Then a long time later, most of us thought it looked like this
And now many of us believe that an arabian should look like this
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nikki
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 11:45:03 AM
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it all depends on country of origin. Like there is today!
Books i find are usually written on different people's opinion, i can't see how they can all be right, yet all be wrong! If you see what i mean.
How can you possibly say that an arabian should be 13.2-14hh, when the Amiri Stud has been going far longer than ANY stud today? Are they wrong?
We all have different goals, a lady i know thinks the Bahraini's have heads like a bucket, yet i think they are beautiful. Lovely ears, great width between the eyes, tapering down to a smallish muzzle, deep through the jowl(sp), yes they may not have much of a dish, but whos says arabs have to, all that should be there is there. And when they move (when they can be bothered) unmistakbly arabian.
It really angers me how people instantly dismiss them, just because they aint got a big dish. |
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pat day
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 1:07:00 PM
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For Nikki, if you are interested,
I was talking to a well known judge yesterday.
She saw 2 bahrain stallions at the weekend.
She was really impressed with the confirmation, and the temprements were amazing.
Mares and fillys were passing inches away not feet, and they never turned a hair.
I do not know who or where they were.
I will try and find out for you Nikki.
Sorry to have hijacked the thread, back to discussion then |
       
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nikki
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 1:33:05 PM
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Hiya Pat,
Thanks for telling me! Was this in Britain?
Yes the temprements they have are amazing. When i went pearlisland arabians, to meet them all, and Jenny. I wanted some piccies of Krayaan Dilmun, a 16hh arab stallion, me having never handled a stallion before, was bit weary of him to begin with, and Jenny just handed me the leadrope, told me to take him down the drive and she would take piccies of us together! I was, at first completely horrorfied, but he was a complete gent! I was fussing him and everything, and got a pic of me holding him, with a big cheesy grin on my face. They do have excellant temprements. Thanks for that Pat, made my day! |
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Mike
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 1:41:20 PM
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Temperament and structure, particularly legs and feet should be paramount
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tamila
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 1:54:54 PM
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Mike I entirely agree. We must get the temperament, bidy and legs right first then put on a head. I was taught this many moons ago by George White, the head groom for the Abel-Smiths. I have always tried to do this and feel that temperament body and legs are right on Ramak who has a very nice head but maybe it could have been shorter.
These three things are of paramount importance whatever strain you breed just as they are in any breed. |
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cassy
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 4:36:42 PM
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| Nikki i am with you all the way re just cos no big dish isnt always bad, ive a horse on the circuit at min who all judges so far have said he has excellant conformation, excellant movement ect ect but he hasnt a megga dished head and some put that against him, the way i see it id rather have a plainer head with great legs, conformation, movement ect than a pretty face and nothing else, this angers me too but im not bothered what people think of my horses if they win or last in the ring id much rather take home the one with plainer head but has the rest than just a pretty face, saying this it appears there have been several people ripping my horses apart on the circuit though i dont know who they are those people hugely offended me and right now im ready for giving up the Arabs so if its any al members as ive no idea who it is then thanks for making a ammateur who lives for the horses want to give up before we even start, i am hugely upset and very much offended at the rude and nasty comments, il say no more as my horses nor do i deserve to be ripped apart by people we dont even know before we even start on the circuit, this is why we ammateurs feel we have no chance, ive personally had enough of spending almost 1000 a show to get this treatment, il make no futher comment now nor add more to this but i will say im damn furious which is not me at all, furious to the point my season may be over as ive had enough |
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Mike
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 4:48:04 PM
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Angie,
Don't let the B**t**ds grind you down, in truth, for the most part they are idiots who wouldn't know a good horse if you repeatedly hit them over the head with it!!!
Sadly whilst there are such folk in all equestrian endevours, the arabian attracts more than its fair share
Mike
PS I speak as the happy and contented owner of "That ugly stallion" and am not in the slightest bit worried by comments from those who simply haven't a clue about what they are doing or breeding Every time they open their mouths they eloquently demonstrate just how little they know Nuff Said |
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nikki
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 4:55:24 PM
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Cassy, i really wouldn't let it bother you. I have quickly realised that you need a thick skin! Apparantly my foals are plain and ugly 9which of course to some people will be true, i've no problem with that at all), a lady i know texted me this, saying people have been saying that.
I'm taking as a compliment that people can actually be bothered to talk about a nobody like me, if it is, in fact true?
And at the end of the day, i like you, bred my foals to keep. I am over the moon with them, again, far better than i expected, and 2 fillies as well! Mare and foals, happy and healthy, and this time all went well, what more could i ask for!
Unfortunately whatever we do in life, there is always somebody to try and ruin/dishearten it in some way or another.
I don't mind that much people saying bad things about my horses, had to put up with it from day one. Of course it does get upsetting at times, but please don't let that put you off, try and look at the bright side of things. |
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Emancy
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 5:14:34 PM
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Angie
Don't let these spiteful people upset you - most of the 'know-it-all-but-nothing's - as I like to call them, haven't got a clue or are madly jealous.
The fact is, anyone vindictive enough to put you off showing your horses isn't worth jack.
Keep your chin up love and make 'them' eat their words xx |
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lady tee
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 5:15:55 PM
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Hi, cassy, I read your post and had to reply. I have seen the jealousy and back biteing first hand,when i used to show in 2001 and its true there are a lot of people out there that will slag you and your horse off for not being whot is the latest fashion. Ive got my filly who i beleive is stunning,but if i took her in the ring i would proberly get laughed out of the ring. Fair enough. Its a sad world ,but in reality some people do not give a dam whoom they hurt and make their life a misery . My advise to you cassy is do not get drawn in to their sad lifes and carry on showing and hold your head up high.Youre just as good as rest.The breeder of my horse has been honest with me and has given me sound advise along the way(god bless her!!!!.I have got the most gorgous filly and in a couple of years when she has matured she will be even better. To finish of i had an email today from anette escher asking to take some pics of my filly as erwin is england for a couple of days.Hows that eh the echers asking me to take photos of my filly makes me feel like i ve won all the shows at once. Cassy keep going and there are some good people out there. |
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pat day
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 6:29:06 PM
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| Rise above it, and just know, you are a better person than they. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 8:10:18 PM
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| Angie, you are going to need a thicker skin if you let these comment's get to you, if you stay in the arab world you are going to get an aweful lot of comments good and bad ( we all do ) dont you remember not so long ago I was getting a good pasteing, hey ! guess what, I am still here! |
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cassy
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 8:50:26 PM
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see my foal prince charismma on kate b pic page 1 results 2006 midland festival, does he look that bad?, to me he aint just a horse nor is he there just to win a ribbon, he loves to show and hs been brought up from birth to not be afraid of anything, this little man wont run from nothing as in bags, rattles ect that most are scared of(he has been shown things with kind handling and lots of love, he wouldnt even blink and would more than likely stand witing for a cuddle at rattles and bags, im calming down now but after getting naff comments from sun til today i really had enough
Sorry for this topic been interupted, just take a look at my colt pic and tell me how bad he really looks cos i think he is a lovely boy and so do many others that have met him, he has his own fans at the shows and he is loved like a family member, he may be no megga dished world winning stallion but he has manners to burn and is v much loved |
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Delyth
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 8:57:30 PM
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I hadn't been on-line for a few days but just wanted to reply. Sue stated that it took alot of money, space and time to be a breeder. I don't think this is really true. One Of the Uk's most prolific breeders undoubtedly in my eyes would be the Maxwells. The foresight Joanna had was astounding. They had the space in the farm to run on youngsters and she has dedicated her life to breeding Arabians - were they 'rich' ??? I'm sure they would assure us they weren't !!! Their farm was 'workable' not pretentious and we never heard of them spending hundreds of thousands on stock because they produced their own superstars. They purchased the very best foundation mares they could .........AK Atallah, Hagunia , Kazra, Bint Jehan, bla bla bla and then created dynasties from these families. AND they produced typey and correct individuals. This is my soapbox time  we shouldn't tell ourselves plain is correct. We should want pretty heads ( to whatever degree pleases you ) that is part of the breed but we should endeavour to have everything else as well BUT realise it doesn't happen overnight.
I have visitors who comment on certain mares of mine that they think are pretty but to me they are still not enough. I want Passions, I want Athenaas.
Each to their own. Don't take offence by what others say - its just their opinion. If they are experienced take heed there might be value in what they say. If they aren't then perhaps they should think before they hurt !! I'll never stop listening to the people I admire although the more you listen the more you realise you don't know !!!!
PS Please don't come back with the ' you can't ride a head comment ' ......its not big its not clever and it makes me cringe |
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SueB
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 8:58:19 PM
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An Arab does not have to have a dished head for it to have type. In fact, some breeders actually prefer not to have such a dished head!
Why not put a photo of your lovely foal in an advert to go in the next A/Lines magazine? might sound lots of money, but I bet Paula could squeeze you in somewhere if you asked her nicely?
Sorry Delyth, we posted together, the above was intended for Angie.
Just wish I could afford to worm over 60 horses Delyth....now thats what I call being rich
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LYNDILOU
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cassy
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 9:10:12 PM
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Thanks, never did any work today as been home so now back work doing invoices and staf salaries what i should have done today oh wel better get some work done |
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Anne C
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 9:40:37 PM
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Angie,
There are quite a few of us out here that have had our 'best friends' criticised over the years. You shouldn't give up, you enjoy showing and your colt obviously does too! Just keep going and prove them all wrong!
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cassy
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Posted - 27 Jun 2006 : 9:48:38 PM
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| il call tom as not home at min and got 3 staff with me who are going london tom to a big exhibition at earls court so rippin hair out as shud have sorted them today i went home out the office |
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