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Serin
Platinum Member
 United Kingdom
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 Posted - 13 Nov 2003 : 10:54:42 PM
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My mare is a Chocolate Dun AngloArab , she is 17 and i have had her since she was 5 months old , she changes colour every season and varies every year , i get lots of compliments and offers for her to do with her striking colour and the odd comment about her being x connemara !! she has NO white at all , jet black points , mane and tail and a dorsal stripe !!
Just wanted to know has any one else got a Arab / Anglo or cross with simliar colouring ??
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azraa
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Nov 2003 : 10:57:59 PM
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gosh what a nice colour and no i have never seen a dun arab ,lucky you
karen
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Serin
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Nov 2003 : 11:24:32 PM
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| If i master the digi cam thingy i will post some pics !! i havent seen any around but she cant be unique !! |
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Nov 2003 : 11:56:15 PM
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| Do you have her breeding and the colours of her parents? I once saw a dun section d welsh for sale as try as he might, she never produced a foal her colour, but she had a blue roan to a black section d. I love dun but not seen them in arab variety yet. |
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cazza
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2003 : 07:40:53 AM
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Hi
My Cousin has a Dun Anglo Mare also, She has very very black points and goes much darker dun in the winter.
She is by Amstral King out of my cousins own Palomino mare,
She will be 20 this year,
She did very well in the show ring as a youngster and ridden
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Diane Latham
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2003 : 08:25:02 AM
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I bred a dun Part Bred Arab 6 years ago. He is 56.25% Arab by Charmer BASB (grey)out of a part bred Arab (12.5%) bay mare who is by the Chestnut Fearless Action (TB) out of a bay part bred Arab (25%) polo pony mare (Arab x mostly Thoroughbred with a smidgen of something pony hence her part bred status and not Anglo). He is typical dun with black points and black dorsal stripe and no white. He is not very intelligent (that is being polite) which is surprising as his mother is all there and half way back again!
Saw another dun part bred Arab at an endurance ride this year.
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NPA Arabians
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Woodlay
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2003 : 10:07:17 AM
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If you breed a cremello to a bay you will get a dun. I must admit it is one of my most favourite colours!
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2003 : 7:56:10 PM
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I now remember sue Pyke having a dun part bred, very nice pony, by Bay Arab out of palomino welsh mare.
Is it something to do with the article of breeding blacks in the AHS news. Whether a horse has black points or a solid all over colour?
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Serin
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2003 : 9:06:24 PM
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Well her Dam was a palomino Crabett ( scindian magic lines )and her Dad was river poaching TB who is brown !! i do mean brown rather than bay !
I put her to a coloured sports horse some 9 years ago and foalie came out Dun too with no white either ! |
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razgold
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Posted - 14 Nov 2003 : 9:12:51 PM
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a friend of mine once put a grey pony mare to a grey pure bred stallion. The result was a coloured. She was quite shocked at the time but then the resulting foal went on to win a lot of championships.
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pat ww
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 08:42:46 AM
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The first coloured foal I saw by a chestnut Arab stallion was to a little white pony mare. Her owner was going to sue the stallion owner as having covered her with something else, but when you looked closely at the mare, she had large areas of pink skin, so she was probably a coloured mare (grey and white) before she went completely white.
Anybody know if there is a genentic test for throwing broken colours? Quite a few coloured stallions don't seem to pass this on, and there are always coloured mares at Beeston market with solid coloured foals at foot.
For a couple of years now one of the girls on a local livery yard has been talking of using my grey stallion for her coloured cob mare. (just talk?) she has expected me to predict the colour of the foal! |
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Louise Maryon
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Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 10:44:50 AM
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The test for a coloured horse producing 100% pinto offspring is a test for the presence of the Homozygous (sp sorry) gene.
It can be tested for in American.
A Coloured horse can only be produced is at least ONE parent is coloured. The coloured gene CANNOT skip generations (neither can the grey gene).
A Homozygous can only be produced by breeding 2 pintos together - as both parents must pass on the Pinto gene. If neither parent is Homozygous ( Hetrozygous) then the offspring has a 25% Chance of being Homozygous, if one parent is Homozygous then the offspring has a 50% Chance of being Homozygous and if both are Homozygous then the offspring has a 75% Chance of being Homozygous.
Horses born of two solid parents are Extremely rare and so far have never been subject to DNA verification.
However The pinto colouring does come in many colour variations and Grey pintos are not uncommon - over the years these horse tend to whiten out (just like our arabs do) and then give the appearence of just being grey or white - howver they will still carry the pinto gene and have a 50% chance of producing this pinto colouring when breed to anoth pinto horse.
Also the a Pinto horse vcan have what is termed as 'minimal pinto patterning' and appear to be just like a solid coloured horse with normal white (usually socks and white face markings) but it is infact an 'unfinished' Pinto - strangly enough this can still carry the Tobiano Pinto patterning gene and produce a Pinto foal when bred to a soid coloured horse.
Hope this is of some help - and not too confusing!.
If anyone wants to chat about coloured horses or has any questions about them I can TRY to answer them (in Laymens terms!)
Just drop me an email.
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Louise
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Serin
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 7:36:51 PM
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| So louise what would you need to produce a Dun ???? |
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Louise Maryon
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Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 8:35:29 PM
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Hi there some info for you on Duns & Buckskin (They are not he same)
Dun - 4 variations, Red, Yellow, Mouse & Blue
Duns have minimal iridescence and ALWAYS have prominent dorsal stripe, mask & leg barring known as primative markings (if these are not present you probably have a Buckskin).
The dunning gene is dominant so it's presence is visible & affects all base colours.
Dun to Dun breeding has a 75% chance of producing Dun, but Bay Chestnut, Brown and Black are also possible. Pseudo-albino is not possible.
It is possible to produce Homozygous dun.
So baisacly the best way of getting a good true Dun - and it being Homozygous - so all ofspring can be guarented Dun - is to breed Dun to Dun.
Points of Buckskin.
Golden Buckskin ( the prefered colour) is a Coppery Gold body with Black legs mane & tail.
Buckskin bred to Buckskin gives a 25% chance of producing pseudo-albino.
Buckskin of any shade is best bred to Deep Red Bay so no Cremello or perlino is produced.
Buckskin crossed to a Bay or Brown which has never produced a Chestnut foal will reduce the chances of Palomino and Chestnut.
So in short - when trying to breed a Dun - make sure you have got a Dun & Not a Buckskin as they are not he same!!!!.
Hope this helps a bit.
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Louise
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Serin
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 9:09:46 PM
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Helps a bit !!! hun right over my head !! .........
chances of finding a Dun Arab stallion are NON i would imagine ( glad not breeding as she got Arthritis because that would be a search and a half !! ) but lots of peeps i know search all over for a lightweight Dun but only find Highland or Connemaras ! |
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Serin
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Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 9:10:53 PM
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| Forgot to say Thank you for spending the time to write that ! I take you are rather hot on your colour genetics !!x |
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suyents
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Nov 2003 : 10:17:28 PM
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A couple of years ago we bred a colt purebred which i can only describe as a "buckskin"...no primordial striping on the legs, just the honeyed colour, black points and a dorsal stripe!! everyone used to call him orange!!! He was one of my favourite sons of Tarac, having a really noble "horse" look to him. Sadly, his new owners had him gelded, which is a shame since he is now around16hh and might have been quite a desirable stallion!!
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Tara
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Posted - 16 Nov 2003 : 3:25:21 PM
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| I hope I'm not putting the cat amoungst the pigeons, but I don't think you can have a dun Anglo as neither colour is in the thoroughbred or Arab - a part-bred, yes. There are quite a few of them. If the Anglo is out of a palomino, then the dun is a PBA. |
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Judith S
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Posted - 16 Nov 2003 : 5:56:09 PM
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I bred a "chocolate" dun - he was rather scrummy! (sadly no Arab in his breeding - Morgan x Welsh/TB).
I do have a young Arab gelding - bay - with a dorsal stripe & also faint black markings above his black legs! |
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SueW
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Nov 2003 : 8:22:51 PM
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I have to agree with Tara, that it is unlikely that a dun (or palomino) will be an Arab or an Anglo. The dilution gene(s) required to produce dun or palomino are thought to be absent from the Arab and very rarely occur in the US Thoroughbred.
Sue
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suyents
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Posted - 16 Nov 2003 : 9:31:36 PM
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Oh well, i guess he'll just have to remain orange then!! tee hee.
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Serin
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Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 6:12:27 PM
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Shes definately got papers to say She is A AngloArab , knew both parents so cant argue there !!
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pat ww
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Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 9:23:24 PM
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| While on the colour thread, does anyone know why some horses pink skin, (where they have white markings) is orange not pink? This was pure bred Arab, don't know if sire had orange skin but dam definately did not, nor did any other of her foals to different stallions. |
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Serin
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Posted - 17 Nov 2003 : 9:46:30 PM
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Now you are getting far too complicated for moi !!!!
My other mare who is grey (white) looks like a coloured now she is clipped with her patches of black and pink skin !! |
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ginger horse
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Nov 2003 : 9:23:03 PM
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Hi been looking on the web on bloodlines and thoroughbred foundation sires on same google page as Arabian lines and their is a stallion called oxford dun Arab or is from oxford dun Arab stud ?. And he looks like a dun to me but is he a Arab or a thoroughbred
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