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Noo
Posted - 05 Sep 2011 : 5:18:47 PM Most of you know we rescued a mare from the Windsor area earlier this year, - I would just like to update you on her progress.
Having let her gain weight and condition, asked our vet to check her back, teeth and had feet done etc, we sent the mare to a Parelli trainer for two weeks to help build her trust, learn the parelli games, and go some way to “rehab” her, as we suspected she had been subjected to some bad experiences. We felt the right home for her would be one where she could live quietly, not have pressure put on her, be a companion, and find some stability again.
We contacted a lady who was looking for an arab, due to recently losing her chestnut endurance gelding. Having explained the situation, she came to meet the mare, and agreed to take her as a companion for two foals coming to her later this year, once they were weaned. She also said she may consider riding her, to escort her young geldings. We explained we thought the mare had had a bad riding experience, and may go up and over backwards if in pain or scared.
We delivered her to the yard, and all seemed perfect. Texts came, emails,- she had had the vet out, who had told her the mare apparently had two dislocated shoulders, vertebrae displaced in the back, and a fractured wither, from badly fitting tack or terrible riding previously, but the lady was going to have her operated on etc.
Then the nature of the texts changed, and I started to hear warning bells. The mare had apparently been fighting with her two geldings in the field, had to be grazed separately (this was unheard of, she is submissive and non aggressive), she had walked her out in hand and the mare was spooky, shying, and hard to control (again – we had walked her out when we first rescued her, and she was interested, calm, and trusting). The lady at this stage still said she was planning on spending 2K on the operation to fix the mares's shoulder and back problems. We thought this odd, as our own vet had checked the mares back when we had her out previously.
Around two weeks after the mare had been rehomed (and promised a forever home) – we checked Trade-It as we had advertised a saddle on there for sale. To our surprise, we saw a recent ad for her, and as we then checked all the other local Free Ad sites, differing ads for her appeared – for loan, for sale for £1200, help wanted,etc - the age of the mare in these ads ranged from 6 to 7, to around 10 years of age. (our dentist aged her at 11, and we had told the lady this). So we got a friend to call, and they were spun a story of a mare “just needing a second chance”, that she had owned her for 18 months, had seen her in a field in Windsor “and just had to get her out of there”, and that she would be happy with a loan with view to buy etc.
We then contacted this lady and asked why she was advertising the mare when she had promised her a home for life – furious voice mails (which we have kept) were received back and we were told to “come and collect your mare by 2pm today”. We picked her up the next day, whilst the lady hid in a stable and refused to come and communicate with us. The lady refuses to give us a receipt for the mare, or sign ownership back over. I tell you this, - not because I want a discussion about whether what we did was right, wrong, stupid, in, or not in, the best interests of the mare etc = but I just ask that if any of you intend to loan or home a horse in the near future, that you PM me so I can give you the details of this endurance rider, and you do not fall into the same trap as we did. We have our mare back with us now, and she will never go anywhere again. This hasn’t been easy, as we struggle for space and money. But we learnt the hard way and had a very lucky escape.
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Caro23
Posted - 17 May 2013 : 12:58:41 PM She looks lovely and so happy to be home - thank goodness!
(Not sure what being an endurance rider has to do with it though!)
marionpack
Posted - 17 May 2013 : 10:07:05 AM Noo please can you let me know who it is as I do have a mare advertised on here, I know you said she only wanted geldings but I would rather know just in case thanks
jammy
Posted - 16 May 2013 : 7:46:25 PM I also know someone trying to loan an endurance horse and would like to be able to warn her so maybe you could also pm me and I can pass it on
gossy
Posted - 15 May 2013 : 9:01:25 PM I too would be interested to know who this is noo!
Noo
Posted - 15 May 2013 : 5:07:13 PM Will do Alison. I have engaged this person in some email exchanges, and the latest story is that due to her having a two year old colt on the yard, she can only have a gelding on loan.
Hence - anyone loaning a gelding out or planning to, please be aware.
alison
Posted - 15 May 2013 : 11:26:28 AM Hi Noo please pm me details I have a horse on egb for sale or possible loan and I have had inquiries - so would like a heads up. Thanks Alison
martha615
Posted - 14 May 2013 : 8:06:12 PM OMG, this is the most nightmarish, important warning to us all. I am so glad that I don't have to loan out or sell any of my horses right now. It is so sad because I know genuine, loving people who have rescued horses and really only wish to place them in a loving home and if they read stories like this they will be very worried... :(
So glad that in the case of this mare, she was saved from god knows what kind of fate....SO GLAD you sad the advert!
Noo
Posted - 14 May 2013 : 7:04:54 PM Anyone remember this thread? Our mare is safe with us now, will never go anywhere again, and we learnt our lesson. We wrote this thread originally to warn everyone on here loaning horses in good faith that this person was to be avoided at all costs.
WELL - GUESS WHAT. on my email today, i received a very interested response to an advert i had recently posted for a loaner for my ex endurance pure bred gelding. In fact it was pretty much an exact replica of the reply Littlecrabbs had to her advert for our rescue mare two years ago.
This woman is obviously still at it, taking horses on loan, then moving them on, putting them up for sale or pulling the wool over trusting owners eyes. Please feel free to PM me so i can refresh your memory with exactly who this person is. If you are not looking to loan out currently, PM me anyway, as i can give you her details in case any of your friends that are considering loaning fall foul of her ways.
Noo
Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 09:50:09 AM funnily enough - thats what our vet said, when she came out to check our mare, after we collected her. "There is no such thing as dislocated shoulders."
onelifeliveit
Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 08:48:04 AM So glad you got her back. She really is beautiful too bless her and bless you for saving her. We have a gelding that we rescued from sales 4 years ago, he has turned out to be an absolute diamond, I'm sure your girl will do xxx
Lin123
Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 8:51:01 PM Happy girl now, lovely photos.....thank you for sharing
Linda x
marengo
Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 2:56:50 PM Glad you got your mare back safe and sound. Reminds me of an endurance mare I tried to buy a couple of years ago and, through a friend who lived in the area, found out this person was notorious..
anyway, how can a horse have 'dislocated shoulders' ?? their scapulas are attached to the body with soft tissues. Or is dislocated shoulder a by-word for something else?
Jessica
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 9:57:19 PM Home and happy
Callisto
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 9:49:54 PM
littlecrabbs
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 9:04:15 PM
Here she is back where she belongs.
Noo
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 2:27:50 PM after we contacted the lady to ask why she had the mare advertised, having promised her a home for life etc, - a furious sounding voice mail and call were received, (telling us, among other things, to come and pick the mare up before 2pm that same day).
We then received a message a little later to the tone of "i have calmed down now,", she agreed to us picking the mare up first thing the next morning, and even told us that she'd got in contact with the mares breeder, passed on our number, and they may call us to discuss bloodlines etc (hmm, dont think so!)
We thought then - what did she need to calm down about? presumably only the fact that she'd been caught red handed.
KittyB
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 2:00:54 PM Thank goodness you have her back. It's surprising how much people can change in character when things aren't going their way, and to attack is often their defence. To someone who is honest, this can be very difficult to deal with ...
coffeebear
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 12:30:40 PM Hi, I've been following your story and I'm so pleased you've got her back safely. Its so very hard to 'do the right thing' and so hard to work out if someone is truly genuine! There are some really wonderful people out there but we tend to hear more about the 'wrong ones' as they horrify us so much with there callous attiude. Many years ago I had no choice but to sell my 3 beloved arabs it took me over 10 years to trace them and all had passed away but I couldn't rest for worrying about what might have happened to them ( one had actually turned into a welshX! A pure crabbet boy by Midnight Gold!)I now have a pony on loan with a really wonderful family he is well loved and very happy. Ifeel very lucky to have found them as he is only 12hh. Good luck with your mare, wishing you so many happy years. What a lovely thing to be able to do, offer security and safety to a horse in need.
TanyanChewy
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 11:35:05 AM Horrendous. How lucky for the mare that you found out what was going on and got her back home safely. I really do despair about people. I just can't comprehend it.
Hope your mare settles back in quickly.
Sam Hunt
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 11:27:25 AM So pleased she's back with you now. The original "rescue" all happened fairly close to where I am, yet I was completely unaware of it at the time. Had I known, being local, I would have done my best to help - but as we now all know, thanks to Lil, my help wouldn't have been needed anyway.
It's incredible what some people will do for money. I was offered a broodmare recently who it turned out was a known rejector (luckily, I did my research before buying) - the person was willing to sell to me, in the knowledge that I'd never bred a foal of my own before, and in all likelihood wouldn't have the facilities or knowledge to be able to cope with a rejected foal.
Anyway, at least Lil's mare is now secure - and I'm very pleased to hear it!
Noo
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 11:19:26 AM i agree - and thank you all for your support. having had a number of conversations since i posted this yesterday, i realise that we were not a one off case with this person. She is still trying to loan peoples arabs, - so please, do be careful if you are thinking of loaning/homing in the near future.
it is not a nice feeling to realise we were taken in by her- i must admit my blood ran cold when i received some info in PM's from people, which made me realise how lucky we were to stumble upon the Ad for the mare.
Kazzy
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 11:01:04 AM There's always someone out there who will try and make a quick buck!!
So glad you got the poor mare back safely.
I always say *dont trust anyone till you know otherwise* stood me in good stead all these years!!
Janet
Pasha
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 09:33:53 AM It beggers belief doesn't it? What a wicked and cruel woman! This mare has been through enough, bless her! I am so glad she is back home and safe!
pinkvboots
Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 09:25:44 AM How lucky to have seen the adverts, its very hard to really know what someone is like after only meeting them a few times, unfortunately there are many people out there who only care about making a few quid out of animals, glad you have her back could have been such a different outcome
hazelcat74
Posted - 05 Sep 2011 : 11:01:48 PM How awful, thank goodness you got her back. I found out the hard way that when loaning horses out it is VERY hard to see what someone is really like, they say and do all the right things when they want something. At least she is safe with you now, poor girl.
