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Noo
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England

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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  5:18:47 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Noo to your friends list Send Noo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Most of you know we rescued a mare from the Windsor area earlier this year, - I would just like to update you on her progress.

Having let her gain weight and condition, asked our vet to check her back, teeth and had feet done etc, we sent the mare to a Parelli trainer for two weeks to help build her trust, learn the parelli games, and go some way to “rehab” her, as we suspected she had been subjected to some bad experiences. We felt the right home for her would be one where she could live quietly, not have pressure put on her, be a companion, and find some stability again.

We contacted a lady who was looking for an arab, due to recently losing her chestnut endurance gelding. Having explained the situation, she came to meet the mare, and agreed to take her as a companion for two foals coming to her later this year, once they were weaned. She also said she may consider riding her, to escort her young geldings. We explained we thought the mare had had a bad riding experience, and may go up and over backwards if in pain or scared.


We delivered her to the yard, and all seemed perfect. Texts came, emails,- she had had the vet out, who had told her the mare apparently had two dislocated shoulders, vertebrae displaced in the back, and a fractured wither, from badly fitting tack or terrible riding previously, but the lady was going to have her operated on etc.

Then the nature of the texts changed, and I started to hear warning bells. The mare had apparently been fighting with her two geldings in the field, had to be grazed separately (this was unheard of, she is submissive and non aggressive), she had walked her out in hand and the mare was spooky, shying, and hard to control (again – we had walked her out when we first rescued her, and she was interested, calm, and trusting). The lady at this stage still said she was planning on spending 2K on the operation to fix the mares's shoulder and back problems. We thought this odd, as our own vet had checked the mares back when we had her out previously.

Around two weeks after the mare had been rehomed (and promised a forever home) – we checked Trade-It as we had advertised a saddle on there for sale. To our surprise, we saw a recent ad for her, and as we then checked all the other local Free Ad sites, differing ads for her appeared – for loan, for sale for £1200, help wanted,etc - the age of the mare in these ads ranged from 6 to 7, to around 10 years of age. (our dentist aged her at 11, and we had told the lady this). So we got a friend to call, and they were spun a story of a mare “just needing a second chance”, that she had owned her for 18 months, had seen her in a field in Windsor “and just had to get her out of there”, and that she would be happy with a loan with view to buy etc.

We then contacted this lady and asked why she was advertising the mare when she had promised her a home for life – furious voice mails (which we have kept) were received back and we were told to “come and collect your mare by 2pm today”. We picked her up the next day, whilst the lady hid in a stable and refused to come and communicate with us. The lady refuses to give us a receipt for the mare, or sign ownership back over.
I tell you this, - not because I want a discussion about whether what we did was right, wrong, stupid, in, or not in, the best interests of the mare etc = but I just ask that if any of you intend to loan or home a horse in the near future, that you PM me so I can give you the details of this endurance rider, and you do not fall into the same trap as we did. We have our mare back with us now, and she will never go anywhere again. This hasn’t been easy, as we struggle for space and money. But we learnt the hard way and had a very lucky escape.
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Callisto
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  5:49:38 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am sorry to read this, after all you have done for this poor girl, particularly as she has had a hard time in the past. But you did absolutely the right thing by keeping an eye on her and bringing her home as quickly as you did - well done, and here's to a happy future for all of you.

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex
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sab2
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  6:00:01 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sab2 to your friends list Send sab2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gosh how lucky you saw the ad and have managed to get her back home, hopefully there is a loving forever home out there for her , fingers crossed.
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littlecrabbs
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England
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  6:05:21 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littlecrabbs to your friends list Send littlecrabbs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
She will stay here now no matter what she is back to stay forever.
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pintoarabian
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  6:11:26 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pintoarabian to your friends list Send pintoarabian a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Oh dear, here we go again! Whenever there's the chance of a quick buck, the unscrupulous crawl out of the woodwork. As if this mare hadn't been through enough, she almost went from bad to worse. Well done for wasting no time in getting her out of there. I despair with the human race at times. Hopefully, she will now do the decent thing and sign ownership back to salvage what might be left of her reputation as word gets out.

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Edited by - pintoarabian on 05 Sep 2011 6:16:46 PM
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complete novice
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  7:08:46 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add complete novice to your friends list Send complete novice a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So pleased you were able to find out what was going on and got her back safely before the 'horse lover' had chance to do too much damage
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gossy
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  7:29:00 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gossy to your friends list Send gossy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
so sorry to hear of your ordeal, unfortunately stories like these are getting far to common for my liking, you dont have to put up with it, i know you have the mare back,THANK GOD! but there should be national database with the names of all these people with no morals scruples or human decency!!! so that no one else would have to go through this again.

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Mags
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  7:55:05 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mags to your friends list Send Mags a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I dont know whether its because im noticing more atm with taking back Jack in poor condition but there seems to be far far more of these stories atm :( Some people just dont deserve horses

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Noo
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England
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  8:11:00 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noo to your friends list Send Noo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What is disturbing, - is that when the nature of the feedback about the mare started to change, we offered to have her back. in fact we offered three times to have her back - but instead she was put up for sale, put up for loan, and her future again put into jeopardy by this lady.
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Callisto
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  8:16:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Very worrying, thank goodness you found out in time.

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex
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Pasch
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  10:17:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pasch to your friends list Send Pasch a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Glad you got her back!Poor mare...
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Pheebs
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  10:25:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pheebs to your friends list Send Pheebs a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Well done you, it is so hard to judge situations with horses and thank god you got her back. You didn't do anything wrong. Some people really are mad aren't they?
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MinHe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  10:48:45 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MinHe to your friends list Send MinHe a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Unbelieveable. What is wrong with some people?

Keren
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hazelcat74
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Posted - 05 Sep 2011 :  11:01:48 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hazelcat74 to your friends list Send hazelcat74 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How awful, thank goodness you got her back. I found out the hard way that when loaning horses out it is VERY hard to see what someone is really like, they say and do all the right things when they want something. At least she is safe with you now, poor girl.
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  09:25:44 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pinkvboots to your friends list Send pinkvboots a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How lucky to have seen the adverts, its very hard to really know what someone is like after only meeting them a few times, unfortunately there are many people out there who only care about making a few quid out of animals, glad you have her back could have been such a different outcome

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Pasha
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  09:33:53 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pasha to your friends list Send Pasha a Private Message  Reply with Quote
It beggers belief doesn't it? What a wicked and cruel woman! This mare has been through enough, bless her! I am so glad she is back home and safe!

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Kazzy
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  11:01:04 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kazzy to your friends list Send Kazzy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
There's always someone out there who will try and make a quick buck!!

So glad you got the poor mare back safely.

I always say *dont trust anyone till you know otherwise* stood me in good stead all these years!!

Janet



Sunny Cheshire
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Noo
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England
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  11:19:26 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noo to your friends list Send Noo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
i agree - and thank you all for your support. having had a number of conversations since i posted this yesterday, i realise that we were not a one off case with this person. She is still trying to loan peoples arabs, - so please, do be careful if you are thinking of loaning/homing in the near future.

it is not a nice feeling to realise we were taken in by her- i must admit my blood ran cold when i received some info in PM's from people, which made me realise how lucky we were to stumble upon the Ad for the mare.
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Sam Hunt
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  11:27:25 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sam Hunt to your friends list Send Sam Hunt a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So pleased she's back with you now. The original "rescue" all happened fairly close to where I am, yet I was completely unaware of it at the time. Had I known, being local, I would have done my best to help - but as we now all know, thanks to Lil, my help wouldn't have been needed anyway.

It's incredible what some people will do for money. I was offered a broodmare recently who it turned out was a known rejector (luckily, I did my research before buying) - the person was willing to sell to me, in the knowledge that I'd never bred a foal of my own before, and in all likelihood wouldn't have the facilities or knowledge to be able to cope with a rejected foal.

Anyway, at least Lil's mare is now secure - and I'm very pleased to hear it!
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TanyanChewy
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  11:35:05 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TanyanChewy to your friends list Send TanyanChewy a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Horrendous. How lucky for the mare that you found out what was going on and got her back home safely. I really do despair about people. I just can't comprehend it.

Hope your mare settles back in quickly.

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coffeebear
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  12:30:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add coffeebear to your friends list Send coffeebear a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi, I've been following your story and I'm so pleased you've got her back safely. Its so very hard to 'do the right thing' and so hard to work out if someone is truly genuine! There are some really wonderful people out there but we tend to hear more about the 'wrong ones' as they horrify us so much with there callous attiude. Many years ago I had no choice but to sell my 3 beloved arabs it took me over 10 years to trace them and all had passed away but I couldn't rest for worrying about what might have happened to them ( one had actually turned into a welshX! A pure crabbet boy by Midnight Gold!)I now have a pony on loan with a really wonderful family he is well loved and very happy. Ifeel very lucky to have found them as he is only 12hh.
Good luck with your mare, wishing you so many happy years. What a lovely thing to be able to do, offer security and safety to a horse in need.
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KittyB
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  2:00:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KittyB to your friends list Send KittyB a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thank goodness you have her back. It's surprising how much people can change in character when things aren't going their way, and to attack is often their defence. To someone who is honest, this can be very difficult to deal with ...

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Noo
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England
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  2:27:50 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noo to your friends list Send Noo a Private Message  Reply with Quote
after we contacted the lady to ask why she had the mare advertised, having promised her a home for life etc, - a furious sounding voice mail and call were received, (telling us, among other things, to come and pick the mare up before 2pm that same day).

We then received a message a little later to the tone of "i have calmed down now,", she agreed to us picking the mare up first thing the next morning, and even told us that she'd got in contact with the mares breeder, passed on our number, and they may call us to discuss bloodlines etc (hmm, dont think so!)

We thought then - what did she need to calm down about? presumably only the fact that she'd been caught red handed.

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littlecrabbs
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  9:04:15 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littlecrabbs to your friends list Send littlecrabbs a Private Message  Reply with Quote




Here she is back where she belongs.

Edited by - littlecrabbs on 06 Sep 2011 9:18:22 PM
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Callisto
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  9:49:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex
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Jessica
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England
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 :  9:57:19 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Jessica to your friends list Send Jessica a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Home and happy

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