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| nissibay |
Posted - 19 Dec 2010 : 2:28:51 PM
Hello me again.....
Im probly over thinking this as usual but anyhoo..
Verona is out in the day and in at night...
When i first got her she was out all the time and she was fine ears forward and never seen her ears back for a minute
but since being stabled because of the winter she is getting a wee bit grumpy at the stable door her ears are going back now, i find it a shame for one so young to pull faces and i wouldnt want her to be one of those moody horses...
obviously i understand she is probly frustrated when she is inside.. it does look like frustration rather than nastyness.. out of the stable she is as sweet as pie!!!
also i have been feeding her just as i leave so she its it alone do you think it would help if i am there when she is eating so she doesnt end up possesive, i know she will be the horse she is meant to be but i want her to be happy and friendly!!!thanks if anyone has any thought xx |
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| Rui |
Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 2:59:49 PM
Things in real life are never simple and, unfortunately, no one has the ultimate solution to every problem. The good thing about a site such as this, as I said before, is the incredible amount of knowledge provided by its members. Most of the times, whenever someone asks for help, there will be different solutions, offered by different members, according to their own experiences and what has worked well for them. I believe any posting by members offering their advice based on their own experiences is an act of generosity, because it means that they cared enough to spend time posting, trying to help. It falls to the reader to choose whatever he or she finds best for their own situation. It's like being in a restaurant where a buffet is being offered - hopefully there will be plenty of choices, but it's one's responsibility to choose what to eat. Sometimes the choices made are excellent, sometimes they could better.
Choosing an advice over another is not detrimental for anyone who provided the advice the member chose not to follow. Getting personal over other member's choices or advice provided is not needed and it can actually put off members asking for help. If that happens, seems no one gains from it, and it's even a bit paradoxical - if someone posts with the intent of helping another member and that has the consequence that the member may refrain from posting for help again, the original goal will have been totally missed.
So, my appeal, if you want to see it like that, is for all of you to keep on posting helping others with your most valuable knowledge and experience, while keeping in mind that the overall goal is to help others, to enjoy the common love for Arabian horse, and to have an experience that's as much rewarding to everybody as possible. If possible, please avoid anything that may be detrimental to achieve all these goals.
Please accept my apologies for the long post.
Thank you  .
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| Fee |
Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 1:45:59 PM
Have to admit I dont notice anyone telling anyone what to do on here. The written word can be interpretated so wrongly as can the oral of course! Some people will come across in all different ways because of their personality, experiences and passion on a subject. It's just normal imo and not to be attacked. I like this forum and how it's run and i think the members are supportive. When I ask for advice it's good to gets lots and weigh everything up with your situation in mind. Life's too short. If people dont post anymore doesn't necessarily mean they dont like the members or the forum any longer.
Fee |
| Tzarina |
Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 1:05:18 PM
I have too agree with Suyen and Lynda, I'm still here, but always have to think now before I post, whereas in the old days, I just scribbled away. When you look at old posts, the amount of people who are no longer here, makes you wonder why, as said a lot of them are still Arab involved. I will always respect people's opinions and try to help where I can, but object to being told what to do because certain people think their way is right. What happened to democracy on here |
| Honeyb060674 |
Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 12:24:09 PM
Its great that you have found a solution that keeps your lovely little girl happy! So many horses so many personalities..they're all different & need to be treated accordingly!  Well done you for sorting things out  |
| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 12:05:14 PM
I am still here, just!, I dont tell anyone how they should keep their horses, I do try to give advice if it is asked for. I always hope that people will ask for advice and then weigh up All the options, thinking what is best for the horse before making any decisions . |
| suyents |
Posted - 15 Jan 2011 : 6:19:21 PM
Wise words Rui, but as one of the very first members of Arabian Lines i have to admit that i now think more than twice about contributing to many of the topics listed, in spite of the fact that i initially feel the desire to do so! There is just too much judgementaliam and sheer outright prejudice aired these days on the forums, for everyone to have the necessary strength of character needed to contribute, and all too often end up being personally attacked...Take a look at the people who used to post on here regularly ten years ago, most of them are still involved with Arabs, and we all loved Arabian Lines..where are they now, and how many of them are silent? |
| nikki83 |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 8:29:38 PM
Hi Sheena!
Glad you have found a soloution and that she is happier
I also keep Dine on a livery yard where we have restricted turnout, he has been getting more and more grumpy but I have spoken to yard owner and come up with a solution which now means Dine is out all day and has a playmate 100% of the time.
He is now a trillion times happier, had no more grumpy episodes since this arrangement. He still comes in at night, he has his tea and a few muches of hay and then normally nods off
It makes me happy that he is happy 
Nikki x |
| natntaz |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 8:04:00 PM
Rui, As i have said in my post. I dont say to anyone they are wrong for keeping there horses out 24/7 but i also dont think they should judge how i keep mine. We are all doing what we think is right but for some reason we always get people being negative. I will defend what i think is best for my horses, but i do always try not to be rude but just to the point. |
| Zenitha |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 7:57:20 PM
Very nicely put Rui
I bet poor Sheena wishes she'd never put this thread up !
It's funny because they are all different though - my new mare Alika is itching to get out in the mornings - gallops off tail in the air, has a sniff round, then decides she's had enough and comes back to the gate to be let back in ! She's really the only one like that though, the others are quite happy to stay out !
Sheena, I'm glad Verona is happy. The two foals of mine that have lived out all Winter are just as well grown, well covered and good mannered as the two that have stabled in at night. I think as long as you meet their individual needs, they're warm, well fed, have good company and a loving owner, horses are pretty easy to please. Shame the same can't be said for us owners
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| lehla |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 7:55:39 PM
RUI in all fairness some of the comments on this subject are nothing to do with experiences its damm right rudeness and seems to be singling certain people out for offering there experiences and advice lehla |
| Rui |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 3:12:56 PM
A forum such as this is a resource that is only as valuable as the opinions of the members that choose to reply are. The more members who reply, the more experience is contributed and that's what gives value to such a forum. Sometimes it's hard not to take things personally, but if we all do take them personally, it's hard to avoid becoming upset, at some point. If the reaction to such a situation is to stop posting, that is a contribution to make the forum less valuable, because when that happens,the member that takes such a decision will no longer be contributing with its own experience. In the end, that is detrimental to the forum as a whole.
No one is required to contribute, but if everyone stops contributing, this resource, which may have been valuable in so many ways, will become less valuable. That may be not so relevant for some time (or even most of the time), but if you happen to need to tap this valuable common knowledge, for some reason, and it's no longer here, then that loss may hit closer to home, too.
So, as an admin, I can only suggest, with the kind permission of all members, that things are not taken personally and that all keep contributing as much as possible to the amazing amount of knowledge about the Arab horse that this forum's members have shown time and again.
Thank you. |
| Tzarina |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 2:42:34 PM
Hear, hear Lehla. Sorry you dont visit as often, I feel like that sometimes, but I refuse to let the minority spoil it for the majority. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when you are rounded on when you dont agree with that person's way of thinking, that is when I get annoyed. Dont let others spoil it for you |
| lehla |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 2:32:12 PM
well my my some people have got quite upset on this thread the person in question was asking for advice and people have given advice on what they would do just there opinion but it seems if everybody dosent agree then we are all wrong and should be burnt at the steak(only joking)whats the point of having a disscusion forum if people are going to get really upset we all have are own opinions and my personal opinion for what its worth have them out as much as possible jmo i have to day this is why i dont really post very much anymore lehla |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 11:26:05 AM
At the end of the day we domesticated horses, we took them away from their naturel surroundings where they could get proper shelter from horrendous weather and we put them into fields were they cant escape.
My lad hates and I mean hates the rain and mud and I think I am being an unreasonable owner letting him stay out in the mud and rain, he much prefers to be in, even though we dont have muddy fields, just around the gateway, and if the field gate is shut and he cant get into his stable when its raining when I open the gate he goes in on his own. That tells me he would prefer to be in.
Janet |
| Callisto |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 11:18:03 AM
Well today is miserable, our chiefly clay fields are full of standing water and horrible clinging mud. The two welsh x tb ponies are refusing to come out of the field shelter, and we have decided to keep the big ones in. If it improves later we will turn them out, but I see no point in having them stood out in the wind and rain, 6 inches deep in mud in places, churning the surface up even more. As far as I am concerned I strongly disagree with 24 hour stabling, but one has to make decisions based on what the situation is at the time. The part native ponies' refusal to leave their field shelter made my mind up for me (and yes they both have rugs on). |
| Arachnid |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 10:58:53 AM
Doesnt it largely depend on where the horse is turned out too? I wouldnt leave Spider out all night on the top of the South Downs which is very exposed despite good rugging etc. I might consider it if the grazing was several feet lower down and there was a field shelter or even hedging.I agree with Lynda, the mud is a deciding factor at the minute even for us (we dont normally get mud as the chalk drains so quickly) At this time of the year its nice to be able to dry their feet out apart from anything. |
| LYNDILOU |
Posted - 14 Jan 2011 : 10:23:17 AM
I KNOW my own horses and I KNOW they want to be in at night unless its summer, also I don't want them standing in mud all day AND night. neither do they. they hate the mud, they are after all Arabian horses, thinner in skin than natives , they cant cope with wet and windy conditions dispite what people who think they know best say. they also like their routine and because of that they get what they want, wouldn't life be easy for me if they just stood out 24/7! but its not going to happen full stop. |
| Cinnypony |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 8:37:34 PM
Glad to hear she's happy - you listened to her and the result is that you have a happy girl.
Cinny is another one who is happier out as she'd rather be with her friends. I just make sure that they have enough forage that they can be warm from the inside whatever the weather and that there is either natural shelter or a field shelter.
Good luck for the future  |
| nissibay |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 7:01:49 PM
she has 18 acres so luckly its not that bad for mud, although i moaned about the horses being in all the time. it now actually works out better for us as there are 11 out during the day on good days the rest of the time there are only the 5 horses out with 18 acres to play in.....i love it so much when she may be at the other end of the big field but she comes running when i call her i feel so proud when she neighs and gallops all the way over, she is very content, when she is happy im happy and i actually think vise versa!!!!!!!!!! roll on the spring though!!!! i do envy all you people with your own land!! it is harder than i remembered at a lvery yard. we are still looking for the right place to buy! one day |
| debs |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 5:51:39 PM
Pleased you have sorted this out and your girlie is happier! Sadly ours are in at night to save our waterlogged fields.... I would much prefer Ali to be out 24/7. Have to say though, I muck out with the door open, he is quite happy and doesnt want to go out. I know why, he hates having to walk through the quagmire at the gate. Such a poof! |
| nissibay |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 5:46:46 PM
Hello thanks for all your comments, have havent been on here for a bit, i spoke to the yard owner the day after posting on here and i told her she isnt happy being in all the time. if there is a slight cloud in the sky they stay in for days on end. so she stays out with another 4 horses, she is 100% happier and so am i, i still bring her in every day for food, brushing and cuddles so she is still used to being in the stable without thinking she is going to be in all day! |
| natntaz |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 4:29:57 PM
Rafa  I was trying not to be as blunt as i usually can
be but totally agree |
| Kazzy |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 4:00:59 PM
I think the majority of us on here are experienced enough, well some of us!! to know what out horses want and we do what they want.
My lad can come and go when he wants and even though he was out at night in the snow and cold, when its raining he's tucked up in his stable munching on hay with a nice warm dry shavings bed, his choice, not mine.
To have ago at someone because it doesnt fit in with what "You" deem right is down right rude and unless negligence is apparent then I suggest they but out!!!
Janet |
| natntaz |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 3:49:38 PM
Suzanna, it could also mean that you are wrong to. As you have said
they cant tell us whether they like to be in or out. Most of us do
what we think is right for them. I like to think i have two very happy horses. They are in of a night,out for some of the day. I do
what i feel is right for them and have done it the same way for many many years. I dont have problem horses they are very content. In the summer they stay out. I watch them and know when they are happy to stay out unlike at the moment when they just hang the gate wanting to come in. I dont judge people on whether they keep there horses out so i dont see why you judge people on keeping them in. There are no wrongs or rights we just do our best. |
| suzanna |
Posted - 13 Jan 2011 : 3:01:41 PM
Sorry to be blunt, but there is an awful lot of rubbish being written on here, and most of it is what the human thinks is right for the horse, but has anybody asked their horses what they want.
Why do humans think horses want to be tucked up a night, this is human thinking and not horse thinking. I have trialled all ways with my gang and given them the choices, and do you know what they prefer, outdoors all the time even in the freezing conditions, snow, ice etc they love to be outdoors. And before you have a go at me, they do have lovely warm shelters and open stables.
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