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| Qui Gon Jinn |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 10:59:31 AM
Does anyone know if the Shulay Stud is still breeding horses? I am interested in a stallion they had, Shulay Faberge. I've looked on their website, but it doesn't appear to hve been updated in some considerable time.
Failing that does anyone know of a good, high percentage arab (ideally Crabbet!) palomino stallion that they would recommend to put to a chestnut mare with very high Crabbet %?! |
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| lisa b |
Posted - 01 Jan 2010 : 10:40:38 PM
hi guys.. i have a palimino sec d mare who is palomino and both her parents are black!!! her full sister is also pally..my best freind hasa palomino 67% arab who is called sameon amber eclipse.. he has produced pallies to chestnuts and cremellos,his temperment is fantastic.. but he is in devon...he may do ai thogh..if you want pics let me know..x |
| Tzarina |
Posted - 01 Jan 2010 : 5:28:48 PM
Just had a look at Crystal Panther and he looks a really nice colt. Some really good blood in there as well, I love Balenina  |
| Holly |
Posted - 01 Jan 2010 : 5:15:53 PM
Sarah doesnt have a website at the moment but she owns the Sameon Stud in Hampshire. There is a colt for sale called Sameon Crystal Panther and if you google his name his details and photos come up. I think she is advertising 3 of them on Preloved but you would need to look through all the arab/palomino adverts. I will pm you her email address later tonight. x |
| guisburn |
Posted - 01 Jan 2010 : 1:15:41 PM
I think their is a premium palomino stallion with the AHS isnt there?
Where we have our purebred stallion Hussain collected, they have a palomino quaterhorse available by AI
- the stud is glenwood international stud, and they do have a website |
| Qui Gon Jinn |
Posted - 01 Jan 2010 : 12:52:55 PM
I have just found a stallion that I think could be the right one for my mare. He is at Pioneer Stud and is 75.5% arab. His arab side is mostly Crabbet, which is exactly what I'm looking for! This would give me an 87.75% arabian palomino.
Has anyone seen this lad in the flesh? He is called Silver Sheikh and looks really kind. |
| sab2 |
Posted - 01 Jan 2010 : 12:22:07 PM
Hi Holly dose Sarah Wilkinson have a website |
| Qui Gon Jinn |
Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 10:20:05 AM
Thanks very much! You guys truely are a mind of useful information and I'm very grateful.
I'm going to enjoy looking at these stallions or indeed perhaps even a cremello mare to buy as I could then use my friends stallion (who is liver chestnut) and dad to my mare. His temperament is superb and as this is my one big priority could be another option for me. |
| Holly |
Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 7:58:30 PM
Im jumping in on this thread now too as ive been trying to breed a palomino foal from my pure bred bay mare for 2 years running but she wont take AI. So this year she will be going to visit the stallion for a natural covering so fingers crossed.
the stallion im using is 'legend alpine mist' who is 54% arab and very pretty. I would have used Abbies boy but as i had already paid the stud fee 2 years ago for legend alpine mist im sending her to him for my free return and hoping that it will be 3rd time lucky!
Although i will definitly be interested in using abbies boy in the future and as he is close by to me it makes it all the better.
Sarah Wilkinson has some beautiful palomino youngstock for sale at the moment if you decided to buy a foal rather than breed your own. I think hers are all about 80% arab and she has colts and fillies.
Best of luck
HOLLY |
| sarahlock |
Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 5:38:33 PM
Karen d
I know who you mean & Lisa`s "Xavier" is the sire of abz97`s cremello colt !
Jayne , Abz`s colt is just under 65% Arab so with a pure bred mare u`d get a foal with almost 83% Arab blood! |
| Qui Gon Jinn |
Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 5:31:22 PM
Many thanks Karen, will do. I think I will need to find a cremello stallion though from what the experts say, to produce my own palomino! I suspect there may not be so many cremello's will a high % of arab blood though? |
| karen d |
Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 4:26:00 PM
i have a friend with a palamino stallion who has high % arab blood (79.89%) and alot of that is crabbet.
He is a stunning horse and if you would like further details feel free to email her roofer.reynolds@yahoo.co.uk. her name is lisa
good luck |
| saddlebred |
Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 10:52:42 AM
Hi Jayne
These pally's never get out of your blood do they!!
The genetics thing is fascinating. Generally a palomino horse (CA) has one chestnut gene(C) and one dilute gene (A). This means that when you cross pally to pally (CA x CA) you have a 50% chance of palomino, 25% cremello, and 25% chestnut. That is why most breeders cherish their wellbred cremello mares. I have no idea how to work out how buckskins and bays can through palomino as well. Way over my head.
Here is a link to a colour calculator that tells you what you should get. This is really good but a bit scientific.
http://www.horsetesting.com/CCalculator1.asp
There are lots of lovely Cremello high % Arabians around.
Cant wait to hear which one you choose.
Happy New Year
Debs x |
| Qui Gon Jinn |
Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 10:13:11 AM
Dark Angel, your lad is stunning!! I'd be very interested in him, particularily since he has a large Crabbet influence. Could you send me more details of him please? I can PM you my email address.
My mare is quite a dark chestnut with a lot of blonde through her mane. Her sire has gone liver chestnut over the years, having started off quite an orangy chestnut! She will be 8 years old this year and is also getting darker the older she gets.
I find the whole colouration in genetics fascinating. My foal this year should have been chestnut when he was born, yet he was jet black, went quite a rich bay colour through the summer, and has now gone back to black again! He is likely to grey off though has his mum is grey. He is a half brother to my mare.
Thanks for all the help and information so far guys.
My next question is...........Are there any high arab % Cremello stallions in the uk that you would recommend?! |
| Theo |
Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 09:22:56 AM
Hi Ali,
Think you are quite right, whilst variations do occur, rangeing in shades of colour. Manakah (bay) - dam of GBB has been producing consistently palis by Ghost Moon (crem), yet, couple of seasons back... lo and behold had a dun! Therefore crem x ch may possibly produce shades as light as cream dun/ cremello?
I think you have to look back at the sire/ stallion's colour breeding too in this instance (ie is he by pali x pali, crem x pali, crem x ch/bay etc...?) to give a better indication?
Isn't colour breeding fun?!
"Life is like a box of chocolates..."
T :-) x |
| AliH |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 7:43:12 PM
Forgot to mention, if you want a guaranteed pally you will need to use a cremello on a chestnut. This doesn't guarantee you a good colour mind you!! but genetically it will be a palomino.
Ali |
| AliH |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 7:40:55 PM
Hi
just noticed this link, I am Pauline Gribben's goddaughter and still very close to both Pauline and Karen. As you already know Faberge was exported to Denmark to Wendy a few years ago. He is gorgeous and I'm glad to see he still looks stunning. Pauline closed the stud back in 2003 due to ill health and Wendy had most of the horses she had left.
Wendy also had two fantastic colts bred by Pauline who are by Rusleem, i'm not sure if she still has them but worth asking as I'm sure she does AI. Bullion is lovely aswell and Coral did really well showing and was very typey so her son should be lovely aswell.
Hope you find the right boy for your girl.
Ali
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| sarahlock |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:38:55 PM
Hi Caroline ,
There was a full brother of his for sale in the London area last autumn called Shulay Peridot & he was still a lovely golden colour!  |
| Dark Angel |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:34:58 PM
Hiya Sarahlock1 yes you're right
I bought him from Sarah at the Sameon stud when he was four years old...he'll be 20 in May.
Caroline |
| sarahlock |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:27:52 PM
I remember him as a yearling when the Sameon stud owned him , he was out of Just Jubilee & is full brother to Shulay Saphire who is owned by Havenbeech who posts on here !
Here is the link to a pic of him at Royal Windsor Show !
http://www.corbisimages.com/Enlargement/Enlargement.aspx?id=KH001195&ext=1 |
| Dark Angel |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:26:00 PM
Oops, forgot to add....Bullion is 84.40% arab |
| Dark Angel |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:23:05 PM
Hello there
I own Shulay Bullion who is a palomino stallion. His daddy was the lovely Quadeha. He has the softest,gentlest nature which he passes onto his babies. If you would like any info or pictures please just ask
Caroline
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| sarahlock |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 5:54:02 PM
Genetics are wierd alright , i put my palomino mare (who has a Cremello sire & a Bay dam) to a Cremello stallion & got a Palomino , yet both of Fantasy`s Palomino full sisters were bred with Shulay Faberge "Legend Moon Princess" had 2 Cremello`s & Royale had a Cremello Colt !
Actually Shulay Faberge has produced alot of Cremello`s to Palomino mares.
Sometimes you see Welsh A`s with blue eyes if they have alot of white on their face but i`ve not seen many PBA Pallys with wall eyes ! |
| Qui Gon Jinn |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 4:34:01 PM
Hhmm, isn't genetics a strange thing?! I assumed that it would be better to use a palomino stallion to chestnut to get palomino back. I've seen some cremello stallions/mares with blue eyes, is this likely to be carried onto offspring from a mare with brown eyes? |
| abz87 |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 4:17:40 PM
Its better to use a cremello to a chestnut to guarantee a pally. pally to chestnut works as well but i think you only get a 50/50 chance of getting either a pally or a chestnut. |
| Qui Gon Jinn |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 3:26:33 PM
Thanks Performance Arabians, I did see your lad advertised on the Scottish Arab Groups website, so am off to have a look at your website now! You are not that far from me either, so ideal all round!
Abz87, I'd be interested in your lad too. Is it better to use cremello to chestnut then, when looking to produce palomino? Or does palomino to chestnut work just as well? |
