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| JuliaB |
Posted - 27 Dec 2009 : 5:56:28 PM
My daughter's yearling colt was registered as a bay. Even then we were not really sure what colour he was. He is now looking more chestnut than bay but has very pale darker colour on his lower legs like a bay. His mane was white on each edge and black in the middle and now he has a chestnut stripe on the outside of the white on the left hand side of his neck. His tail is blond and black.
Has anyone had a horse with this strange colouring before and knows what colour he is classed as? His sire Azteq is grey and his dam Pjatakova is also grey. The only thing we can think of reading about genetics and colouring is that he might have the silver gene.
His coat colour is more chestnut than the photos show but you can see the mane and leg colouring.
Thanks.
Julia |
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| JuliaB |
Posted - 07 Feb 2010 : 5:53:42 PM
Sorry Lindsay, I am not very clued up on colours! Apart from freaky Phantom, we have a bay gelding who had grey parents, a grey mare whose parents were also grey, a bay mare out of a dark bay mare by a chestnut stallion and an older grey mare whose dam we believe was dark brown/black and father grey! Phantom's parents were both grey! What colour are you hoping for? I pretty much like all colours, but I think I like grey best. Maybe someone else who reads this will be able to give you a clue!
Thanks for all your kind comments everyone, they are greatly appreciated.
Julia |
| Lindsay |
Posted - 07 Feb 2010 : 09:54:03 AM
Not to steal your thread but just out of interest I am sending my chestnut - she has ben descrpibed as rabaccino (sp) by a chestnut stallion out of a grey mare to a bay stallion by a chestnut out of a bay - what colour baby should I be expecting? |
| Meggie-Lu |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 8:01:57 PM
I think he is a zebra undercover!!! 
No seroiusly tho he is a fab looking man, cnt wait 2 see sm pics of him @ shows.
I will watch wiv intrest 2 see what colour he will go, wuld love to see the wild bay colour think thats just amazing! But i am a sucker 4 greys! |
| Callisto |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 11:47:40 AM
And he is particularly lovely in that photo - the stripes are very interesting - would love to see how they develop over the next few years |
| Treasure |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 10:44:59 AM
Azteq has been standing at Phoenix Stud near Newbury for the past few months while his owners moved house. Prior to that his home was near Swindon. His offspring are certainly distictive both for their looks  and their fantastic temperaments. he throws interesting colour ways too . I think Phantom is very exotic with those stripes! |
| JuliaB |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 09:00:30 AM
Thanks Linda. We hope to get him out to the South East Spring Show as his first event this year. Where we have clipped his bridlepath you can see that he has a strip of white hair on each side of his neck with black running up the middle! Strangely, he now has chestnut hair growing right over the top of his mane and tail! I can't wait to see if he changes as he matures!
You can see the striping in his mane in the photo. Poor quality I'm afraid as I took it with my phone.
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Julia |
| Callisto |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 08:51:31 AM
How could anyone possibly hate him? He's lovely! |
| JuliaB |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 08:36:43 AM
Susan, I am not sure whereabouts Azteq is, although I am sure Carolyn (Treasure) will know as she had a fantastic filly by him last year. Thank you for your kind comment about Phantom and his colour. I think he is one of those horses that you either love or hate, but can't ignore, with that mane! |
| susan p |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 9:03:23 PM
I love his colour,he looks stunning is his sire Azteq in Wales? |
| Treasure |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 5:12:44 PM
Oh bit like the hairdressers really when we choose our highlights LOL  . Which of his many colours did you choose to send - you should call him Joseph!  |
| JuliaB |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 2:47:01 PM
Carolyn, I just sent some hair off at the same time as the hair for his CA test. Only 25 US$ to test for each colour (I did two) which I thought was pretty good value. I find it all fascinating!! |
| Treasure |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 1:53:50 PM
I'm intrigued - both that he is definitely bay, despite his baby pictures , but that they can blood test for colour. Great news about the CA result.  |
| JuliaB |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 08:41:17 AM
Well, Phantom's results were emailed to us yesterday. Regarding colour, he is just a strange coloured bay - no evidence of the silver dilution as most people thought! He is also CA clear which has pleased us immensely. |
| JuliaB |
Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 12:39:54 PM
This is all very interesting, thank you for your input. We are hoping to show Phantom next year. Below is a photo of him as a 5 month old foal in which I believe he is chestnut. I don't know if this is of any relevance concerning eventual colour.
[photo: Michelle Segre]
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| alethea |
Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 10:10:49 AM
Whatever colour he turns out to be (sorry i know thats not much help) i think he is gorgeous and very eyecatching. Im sure you will have alot of success and fun with him
Alethea
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| barbara.gregory |
Posted - 31 Dec 2009 : 09:57:24 AM
I too think he is bay.
Esther, the fact that neither parent has ever produced a "colour" does not mean that they are homozygous for the grey gene. They may pass on the "colour" gene which is recessive to the grey gene for generations before producing a non grey offspring if the "colour" gene is always masked by a grey gene. My mare has two grey parents and four grey grandparents. She produced a dark bay filly for me without a single grey hair on her body. To say I was amazed is an understatement. She throws back to her great grandmother, the legendary Hanan. I was so thrilled as I have all greys and love bays but never expected to breed one!
Barbara |
| JuliaB |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 6:47:25 PM
Catqueen, would love to see a picture of your mare when she was young, if you have one available. I think we will go with bay as as suggested by most people.
Carolyn, your gorgeous little Maya sounds fabulous, and chocolate covered as well!. She was so pretty as a foal when Liv and I saw her with Mina. Aren't these Azteq children amazing people? Phantom is still the friendliest horse we have ever met. We will have him tested for bay (and silver, just in case)! |
| Treasure |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 2:32:55 PM
He does look slightly more bay than chestnut but the black points are very pale and the mane is every woman's dream! Highlights? You gotta believe them! As a foal he was very definitely chestnut and the friendliest foal ever - the others didn't get a look in when people were around. I have his baby half sister (same sire, Azteq) out of my gorgeous chestnut mare who is by Aazari out of Jammilah (so bay x grey). The filly, Maya, is the colour of rich deep milk chocolate (Green and Blacks probably LOL!), not chestnut. She is probably going to be grey, although I've never had chocolate flavoured greys before  ! The family is interesting, to say the least, and their temperaments are exceptional.
I agree that Arabs aren't known for the silver gene but you have to wonder with Phantom. If he is bay it is very diluted. |
| CatQueen |
Posted - 29 Dec 2009 : 12:24:54 PM
i would say he is bay , my mare sulan easter princess had almost a silver tail as a yearling and that faded over the years she is bay .and my stallion ellectron is bay , both his parents were grey his sire is eukaliptus and dam is sasza . |
| JuliaB |
Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 5:40:00 PM
Thank you very much for your kind comments. Phantom is quite tall at just under 15 hands at the moment. His maternal half-brother (Phaaraoh) is just under 16 hands as a 3 year old. Of course we adore Phantom regardless of colour. We shall have to wait and see what the colour tests reveal in due course! |
| Quarabian |
Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 1:16:14 PM
I think he looks a wonderful colour, and also he is very well made for a yearling. Good luck with him. |
| honey |
Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 12:24:16 PM
hes lovely, i have known a bay pony at four turn completey grey as a five year old, had no signs of being grey, then suddenly shedded out the winter coat and was pure grey so he may still turn grey. I have seen a chestnut tb with a pure black mane and tail. regardless of colour he is nice. |
| saddlebred |
Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 11:02:51 AM
Bay, Grey or purple with pink spots - he is lovely. How exciting not knowing what colour he will turn out. Thats what I love about my palominos - waiting each spring to see how golden they are going to be.
Your boy is a beautiful shape for a yearling. Cant wait to see how he turns out when he is all grown up.
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| JuliaB |
Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 08:49:28 AM
Thank you very much to everyone who has commented on this topic. We certainly have some food for thought! We are going to have his genetic tests done for CA and SCID so maybe at the same time we will add in the silver and bay tests. His elder brother Phaaraoh who is by Aazari is definitely chestnut and shows now sign of the (now) white/black/chestnut mane. I have seen bay horses with some white mane/tail hair but they have been classically bay - in the flesh, Phantom looks chestnut! I cannot reproduce his colour accurately in photographs! It would be lovely if he were to turn grey. We will let you know once the results of the colour tests are back! |
| Esther |
Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 06:31:07 AM
OK - here's how the genes work.
Both parents were grey. The grey gene is dominant, which means that where a horse holds a grey gene and a non-grey gene, the grey gene wins out and the horse is grey.
Lets suppose mum has one grey gene (G) and one recessive non grey gene (g), and dad also has the same (Gg). As both parents are grey we know they both must have at least one grey gene each.
As for each set of genes a horse takes one from mum and one from dad, your lad will then have four options of how his grey genes will come out:
GG (grey, two dominant grey genes)
Gg (grey, one dominant grey gene)
gG (grey, one dominant grey gene)
gg (non-grey, no grey genes)
In this scenario your chap has a 75% chance of turning grey.
However, if one of the parents holds two grey genes (so one is GG and the other is Gg), those options look like this:
GG (grey, two dominant grey genes)
Gg (grey, one dominant grey gene)
GG (grey, two dominant grey genes)
Gg (grey, one dominant grey gene)
In this scenario your chap is 100% likely to turn grey.
The other option is that both parents have two dominant grey genes (GG) which means that any offspring is guaranteed to have two dominant grey genes too. And thus be grey.
The best way to tell whether a horse is GG or Gg is to run a DNA test. However, if you look at any previous offspring the parents have had and see if there are any adult non greys amongst them, that will show that they are carrying a non-grey recessive gene. If they have no such recessive non-grey gene, then all their offspring will be grey regardless of what colour the other parent is, because as a GG all they will have to add to the genetic mix is a G gene. |
