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| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 12:10:03 AM
Info wanted of how many off springs this horse RED HAND (s.Grey Leg)had and the names.etc.
where he was situated in the country.
Cheers Sue |
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| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 02 Apr 2011 : 01:40:36 AM
I'll look, I think she was the 1988 foal,
Great you have managed to find them. Is there anything on a sire for Innis Free.
Gortnana,1988.Sk..mare.(ISH). 2088983 - IHB (first reg.IHB.1992).s.Touchstone/d.Innis Free.
Innis Free, 1984.Pi.mare.1933175 -IHB (first reg.ISH.1990).
In 1986 Innis Free had a black filly.
Don't know about foals for 1987.
1988 - Gortnana.
Is there a full listing of all the foals born by Touchstone & Western Promise do you know.?? Mrs McMahon told me that Gortnana was not by Western Promise and by Toutchstone, so be interested to see those offsprings.
I have no idea who Innis Free was sired by, is there anything in the register to indicate who was her sire...???
Thanks a lot.
have left you a PM with.
Thanks Sue |
| Melynda |
Posted - 01 Apr 2011 : 11:31:18 PM
Got anything on the Irish HIS more recent years,(1980's) my mare has a granmother born & bred in Ireland, her name is Innisfree, she bred a few for Clement McMahon Snr.,in Gortnana (a village), my mare's dam was named Gortnana as she was born the year they moved in there. Innisfree is blood typed, does that mean that her sire can be confirmed, do you know. I don't know hwo Innisfree's sire was, but he would have been local to them.
Gortnana was registered late in the HIS/ISH, and was not blood typed, we understand Gortnana was either by Western Promise or Touchstone. Both these stallions were located in the Area and both used by the McMahon's on other mare's. I understand they used the
always used the HIS stallions.
Over to you. fingers crossed.
& thanks, in case you can help
INNIS FREE
1933175 ISH, PI
Owner Clement McMahon, Co Monaghan
1989 Hilton Rambler 1935488 ISH, filly, piebald by Touchstone ISH, 4SJAI points.
1990 2022087 ISH, Male, piebald by Western Promise ISH
1992 Fermangha 2184036 ISH, gelding, skewbald by Wetern Promise ISH
1994 No return by Ruffo
1995 2405472 ISH, male, piebald by Steadying (TB)
1996 Hilton Magic 2497150 ISH, filly, piebald by Ruffo (TB)
1997 2548544 ISH, Male, skewbald by Ruffo (TB)
1998 2619474 ISH, Male, piebald by Cajetano (USA) (TB)
1999 2640348 ISH, Male, skewbald by Doddington Flyer (GB) (TB)
All above bred by Clement McMahon, Co Monaghan
Touchstone
33277 IHR, chestnut, 1977,
465 registered foals
by Silverstone 15458 IHR (RID 656)
out of Baltinglass 1139258 ISH
Western Promise
37966 IHR, bay, 1983, Approved 1991.
172 registered foals
by Western Problem 16365 IHR (TB)
out of Take A Spell
Haven't found the name Gortnana yet. |
| Melynda |
Posted - 01 Apr 2011 : 10:54:36 PM
Originally posted by Rozy Rider
Silvery of great interest to me...are the numbers reference to NPS do you think or HIS.
just going to look at the NPS and check myself.
Thanks great stuff.
Sue
NPS |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 01 Apr 2011 : 10:42:44 PM
Silvery of great interest to me...are the numbers reference to NPS do you think or HIS.
just going to look at the NPS and check myself.
Thanks great stuff.
Sue |
| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 01 Apr 2011 : 10:38:55 PM
Goodness your good Melynda, Is this the Hermis ??
http://www.pedigreequery.com/hermis
Got anything on the Irish HIS more recent years,(1980's) my mare has a granmother born & bred in Ireland, her name is Innisfree, she bred a few for Clement McMahon Snr.,in Gortnana (a village), my mare's dam was named Gortnana as she was born the year they moved in there. Innis free is blood typed, does that mean that her sire can be confirmed, do you know. I don't know hwo Innisfree's sire was, but he would have been local to them.
Gortnana was registered late in the HIS/ISH, and was not blood typed, we understand Gortnana was either by Western Promise or Touchstone. Both these stallions were located in the Area and both used by the McMahon's on other mare's. I understand they used the
always used the HIS stallions.
Over to you. fingers crossed.
& thanks, in case you can help.
I've just bought two HIS Vol's for the 1964 -1969, found nothing there yet.
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| Melynda |
Posted - 01 Apr 2011 : 10:34:55 PM
Silverdale Stud in the 1920's who was famous for Polo Ponies and many imports.
Herbert Bright (Silverdale) had;
The Marne
chestnut stallion foaled 1918, 15hh
by Little Corona, brown 15hh
out of Sligo II (2524), chestnut 14.17/8hh
Bowery
bay mare foaled 1914, 14.2hh
by Bowdon (Supp 1913), chestnut 14.31/2hh
out of Bit of Lightning (764)
Lete
bay mare foaled 1912, 14.2hh
by Othrae (447), bay 14.2hh
out of Leto (1759), brown 14.2hh
Silvery II
bay mare foaled 1914, 14.2hh
by Right For'ard (368), bay 14 11/2hh
out of Silver Queen (1631), bay 14.1hh |
| Melynda |
Posted - 01 Apr 2011 : 10:15:28 PM
Tancremont, a small TB, won 24 races in Belgium, before heading to Silverdale Stud in the 1920's who was famous for Polo Ponies and many imports.
Tancremont (Vol 3 p.198 Belgium Thorughbred Stud Book) by Hermis
Wild Man (H.S.B. Supp. 1360)
chestnut, gelding foaled 1928
by Tancremont
out of Mistletoe IV (H.S.B.)
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| Melynda |
Posted - 01 Apr 2011 : 10:08:55 PM
Melynda, Do you think Red Hands's off springs are listed any where and you mention show winners, are their any that I might be interested in.
Cheers Sue
Vol X HSB
Bubble (2nd Thame 1921)
Golden Hand 5905, chestnut mare born 25.04.1925, out of Golden Tower 5716 (1 HIS & Royal 1921, 1 Beds, 3 Tring, 3 East Berks, 2 Thame 1923)
Indian Red Supp. 640, chestnut gelding, 28.03.1922 out of Ranee VII(Ist in 1922, 1923)
Red Jester (19231st & 3rd)
Red May 5992, bay mare 1921 (1st in 1921, 1922, 1923)
Vol XII (award winners by Red Hand)
Bomber
Mischief
Red Aid
Red Lad II
Red Red Robin
Red Rube
Redwing VII
Swafield Amazon
Wally
Warlock
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| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 30 Mar 2011 : 6:51:38 PM
Hi tracingequines, I'm after the back breeding on these and their off springs, filling the gaps, so to speak.
Son of Portlaw was a Grey Horse,like his sire, this Grey line goes all the way back with an unbroken line of Grey, to the early Arabians, namley Alcocks & the Godolphin Arabians of the 1720's.
Tancremont, a small TB, won 24 races in Belgium, before heading to Silverdale Stud in the 1920's who was famous for Polo Ponies and many imports.(Frank Belfour)
Thanks for the interest.
Melynda, Do you think Red Hands's off springs are listed any where and you mention show winners, are their any that I might be interested in.
Cheers Sue |
| tracingequines |
Posted - 30 Mar 2011 : 07:21:08 AM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tancremont
2 progeny listed
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/son+of+portlaw
1 prgeny listed
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| Rozy Rider |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 11:12:59 PM
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/red+hand
Hi Melynda, Thanks very much for the great lot of info on this horse after all this time, did you come across a pic of him at all.
I'm was interested to see that Winki Pop II was owned by J.Duffin, the same person who also owned Scotch Mist and who is missing back breeding, Scotch Mist appears in Colbeach Nightlight's pedigree.
I'm also looking for the breeding of Tancremont 1920~ a TB I think. and the breeding of Son of Portlaw, all associated with the riding ponies of today.
Thanks
Sue
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| Melynda |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 8:45:14 PM
Red Hand, 1912, chestnut, 16.01/2hh.
sire Grey Leg
dam Amazon by Tarporley
breeder Major G. H. MacLaughlin
HIS Super Premium and Premium stallion.
1921 Herts, covered 55 mares, 26 foaling returns
1922 Gloucester, covered 54 mares, 37 foaling returns
1923 Leicestershire, covered 83 mares
1926 Lincoln, covered 90 mares, 51 foaling returns.
1927 Lincoln , covered 78 mares, 33 foaling returns
Not in HIS list 1928 onwards.
Several named prize winning off-spring.
Are you looking for a named one? |
| tracingequines |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 07:26:47 AM
Capps Mare, mare
Kizzie, chestnut, 1929, mare
Winki Pop II, mare
Winkie Pop 12, mare
(taken from All-Breeds-Pedigree) |
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