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delly-b
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 Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 10:38:19 AM
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Hold on.....
SO, mr Peel is diagnosed with a terminal condition, whereby he is too ill to be convicted...sound pretty serious condition...
But, he runs a farm, which I presume is yours/his lively hood?
Who therefore did you get in to look after the farm if he was too ill as presumably you didn't look after the animals yourself as you were not aware of their situation... As stated by yourself....
Any normal person would have made their farm the priority and no doubt all he family would have mugged in..... What did you all do??? Oh yes, looks like you ignored it???? As stated by yourself in the statement you have made.... What you have done is directly confirmed all your guilt!!
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paul_exe
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Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 10:59:13 AM
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In its mothers words:
ETA: On a more personal note, I will not demonstrate remorse for something I did not do. The fact that many of you refuse to believe that I had nothing to do with the crisis of 2013 shows you are unwilling to believe the truth. Remorse and grief are very different things and I most certainly feel grief. This is fact and every day verifies it.
Says it all really!!!
Buried its head in the sand - shame it came up for breath!
The branch never fell far from the tree with that one did it? Two of a kind - ugly inside & out
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Get over yourself: You breathe, you fart, what makes you different?
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pinkvboots
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sab2
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Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 6:51:29 PM
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Yes and the one defending them sounds like a certain someone who was on here, worked for the dealers where the peel horses ended up, remind you of anybody  I have lost my log in details for H&H but have requested more so hopefully will be back on there soon |
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Ari
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Edgevale
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Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 11:23:06 AM
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ETA: This is Evie. Your refusal to accept it is me and your ongoing speculation about events is only creating more confusion, is not serving any purpose and shows just how little you know about me.
Your absolutely right 'evie' I know very little about you (or your Mother) on a personal level, but I DO have first hand experience of what happens to yours and your mothers horses and the lies that you both tell what I have posted is 'fact and can be verified' with Justy for instance I have the emails, photo's and independent witnesses of the state she came back in and the all the hassle I had to put up with, and that goes back as far as 2008. You came and rode her at my yard, she had just been broken and you hacked her out on your own, and she was shod all round with no problems. then while with you apparently turn into some kind of killer monster, and came back to me with that label, however once back with me slowly started to go back to her old self and is now a lovely little riding horse, what did you do to her ? |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 12:03:09 PM
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Reading through all of the comments on the Horse & Hound forum.
This 'Bare Hoof' person... Sack full of crazy right there. Hope it doesn't have any kind of animal in it's care, what a terrifying thought.
Thought to be Spirit13... Who is this person?
Waiting for new H&H membership, can't remember login details..
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Judith S
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Ari
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Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 6:42:43 PM
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 7:21:43 PM
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Wasn't Danielle Gray ( Coulson) the person who took a lovely grey arab stallion on loan .. he had retired from endurance and she quickly did some endurance rides with him, wrecked him and he had to be put down.Sure its the same name, there wa discussion on here some months ago about it. |
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garnet
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Ari
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Posted - 05 Sep 2016 : 7:35:53 PM
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 06 Sep 2016 : 08:36:27 AM
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I was on H&H reading posts from 'Bare Hoof'
Sticking with the 'sack full of crazy' She looks to be the troll of H&H, half of her posts on other people's discussions look to be deleted.
So this Danielle person.. Personal friend of evie or the mother?
Or relation?
No one with a brain cell can honestly believe their innocence on all of this, I know she was shaming the RSPCA but that really is not where the original post was going.
If it was RSPCA shaming, I'd be at the front of the line!
I just can't understand anyone, even her friends, being able to see their innocence in all of this.
I'm off to do some facebook/twitter/insta stalking xx
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 06 Sep 2016 : 09:25:32 AM
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AnnaMaisie25 "I just can't understand anyone, even her friends, being able to see their innocence in all of this.
I'm off to do some facebook/twitter/insta stalking xx"
Couldn't agree more; this has been going on for A VERY LONG TIME. It was not just an "eye off the ball" as she claimed, it was systematic neglect of a large number of horses and possibly foals as well during which time she was acquiring ever more who then were also neglected. I am sure when we come to the end of the KNOWN dead or missing horses there will be many, many more who were bred there or their breeders/previous owners are retired/dead/ moved away and do not know of this horror so no one will shed a tear or or say a prayer for them. I would invite you all to spare them a moment of silent prayer for their lives cut short so terribly. |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 06 Sep 2016 : 09:42:52 AM
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I realise I haven't been involved or a victim of this case.
But since reading about everything, however many months ago that it was, I haven't thought of much else.
It is a privilege and an honour to own and care for horses.
Anyone who abuses this honour, really does deserve nothing more than the same treatment.
There can be no 'slip-ups' or crisis' at home to prevent the 5 basic freedoms that every animal under human care requires.
And if that is the case, and these freedoms are forgotten, then why keep the animals?
These people. These horrible, sick twisted people. How the law can allow anyone with these heinous crimes in their history to carry on being allowed near animals, let alone keeping them, is completely beyond me.
Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand, but truth will out.
I pray and think of these horses [and dogs, sheep, cats - all of the animals] and you poor poor owners and breeders, every day.
I think of the lost ones, who probably died without knowing a kind word or gentle hand on their neck.
And all I can think of is the RSPCA and the peels, getting away with it and then these incredible morons defending them.
Bit of a ramble, but it's something swimming around in my head, and has been for a while. I needed to get it out.
I know nothing I say will bring these horses back to you. But in getting the truth might help a little.
If there is anything I can do to help, please say xx
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 06 Sep 2016 : 09:52:19 AM
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| Back on H&H - new username, can't bloody remember old one |
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amira
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Sep 2016 : 10:26:36 AM
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I've been following these threads and just want to see how sorry I am to all those that lost these beautiful animals. I couldn't put it better than Anna Maisy.
I admire you all for breeding such beautiful and majestic animals and can't understand or believe how thy could treat them like that or ignore them.
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viola
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Posted - 06 Sep 2016 : 8:05:55 PM
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 06 Sep 2016 : 11:39:56 PM
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Thank you Anna Maisy and everyone else who has lent their support for those of us who grieve for the dreadful fate our horses suffered at the hands of these terrible people. I suspect for many of the horses death came as a relief as it was the end of their suffering.
We remember our beautiful horses but the ones the peels bred and then tossed aside to die have no one to grieve over them as we don't even know who they were and the peels couldn't care less who they were; they were just tossed aside like yesterday's trash. I doubt they even remember them all.
If there is a hell they will surely go there for all the evil they have done. |
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Edgevale
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 07 Sep 2016 : 10:42:35 AM
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Saying you're welcome doesn't do anything to help.
But, I'm here - along with everyone else - supporting you all.
I shan't forget, or stop thinking about the unknown horses. I can't. It's like they've been branded onto my brain
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 07 Sep 2016 : 2:57:59 PM
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ETA: Evie Peel was at college full time, living away from home starting Sept 2012 until July 2014. This is fact and can be verified.
So how come you can state as fact that Taragun was loaded on a trailor 7 hours before with stallions etc and then trampled? were you there to supervise? and one other Question i find quite amusing , how do you "loose" a black 17 hand horse? did she take off into the sunset never to be seen again? she must of had a premonition! |
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Edgevale
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Posted - 07 Sep 2016 : 6:23:38 PM
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| Shame the same didn't happen to the rest of the poor souls Libby, but i suspect her disappearance wasn't a pleasant one, don't you ? |
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barbara.gregory
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Edgevale
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Posted - 10 Sep 2016 : 5:12:05 PM
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FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT, THE FOLLOWING ARE ALL FACTS AND ACCEPTED BY ALL PARTIES IN MAGISTRATES' AND CROWN COURT
1. Rachelle Peel and Stephen Peel were each charged with 34 charges under Section 4 and Section 9 of the AWA.
Animal Welfare Act 2006
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4 Unnecessary suffering
(1)A person commits an offence if—
(a)an act of his, or a failure of his to act, causes an animal to suffer,
(b)he knew, or ought reasonably to have known, that the act, or failure to act, would have that effect or be likely to do so,
(c)the animal is a protected animal, and
(d)the suffering is unnecessary.
(2)A person commits an offence if—
(a)he is responsible for an animal,
(b)an act, or failure to act, of another person causes the animal to suffer,
(c)he permitted that to happen or failed to take such steps (whether by way of supervising the other person or otherwise) as were reasonable in all the circumstances to prevent that happening, and
(d)the suffering is unnecessary.
(3)The considerations to which it is relevant to have regard when determining for the purposes of this section whether suffering is unnecessary include—
(a)whether the suffering could reasonably have been avoided or reduced;
(b)whether the conduct which caused the suffering was in compliance with any relevant enactment or any relevant provisions of a licence or code of practice issued under an enactment;
(c)whether the conduct which caused the suffering was for a legitimate purpose, such as—
(i)the purpose of benefiting the animal, or
(ii)the purpose of protecting a person, property or another animal;
(d)whether the suffering was proportionate to the purpose of the conduct concerned;
(e)whether the conduct concerned was in all the circumstances that of a reasonably competent and humane person.
(4)Nothing in this section applies to the destruction of an animal in an appropriate and humane manner.
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT, THE FOLLOWING ARE ALL FACTS AND ACCEPTED BY ALL PARTIES IN MAGISTRATES' AND CROWN COURT
1. Rachelle Peel and Stephen Peel were each charged with 34 charges under Section 4 and Section 9 of the AWA.
Animal Welfare Act 2006
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2006 c. 45Promotion of welfareSection 9
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Changes to legislation:There are currently no known outstanding effects for the Animal Welfare Act 2006, Section 9. Help about Changes to Legislation
9Duty of person responsible for animal to ensure welfare
(1)A person commits an offence if he does not take such steps as are reasonable in all the circumstances to ensure that the needs of an animal for which he is responsible are met to the extent required by good practice.
(2)For the purposes of this Act, an animal's needs shall be taken to include—
(a)its need for a suitable environment,
(b)its need for a suitable diet,
(c)its need to be able to exhibit normal behaviour patterns,
(d)any need it has to be housed with, or apart from, other animals, and
(e)its need to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease.
(3)The circumstances to which it is relevant to have regard when applying subsection (1) include, in particular—
(a)any lawful purpose for which the animal is kept, and
(b)any lawful activity undertaken in relation to the animal.
(4)Nothing in this section applies to the destruction of an animal in an appropriate and humane manner.
Atypical Myopathy “Sycamore Poisoning” in Horses – information for owners
November 6, 2014
Atypical myopathy (“Sycamore poisoning”) is a potentially fatal disease of horses in the UK and Northern Europe caused by eating Sycamore seeds (“helicopters”) or possibly leaves. The disease results in muscle damage and particularly affects the muscles that enable the horse to stand, the muscles that allow breathing and the heart muscle. As a result, horses can display a range of signs but typically become very dull, weak, tremble, show signs of pain may be unable to lift their heads or even remain standing. Even with intensive veterinary treatment, severely affected horses often die. However, with prompt treatment cases can recover very quickly so IF YOU THINK YOUR HORSE MAY BE SHOWING SIGNS OF ATYPICAL MYOPATHY PLEASE CONTACT YOUR VET IMMEDIATELY.
What are the signs of Atypical Myopathy?
- Muscle soreness
- Stiffness
- Muscle tremors
- Weakness
- Lethargy
- Fast or laboured breathing
- Reluctance to work
- Red or brown urine
- Choke
- Whinnying
- Head tossing or low head carriage
- Fast or irregular heart beat
- Sudden death
What causes atypical myopathy?
Horses suffering from atypical myopathy have high levels of a toxincalled hypoglycin A that prevents energy being produced within their muscle cells.The toxin is found within Sycamore (the European sycamore, Acer pseudoplatanus)seeds and to a lesser extent in their leaves and it is therefore assumed that the disease is caused by horses eating Sycamore seeds. The disease is more common in the autumn (typically around October) and often occurs as an outbreak when large numbers of seeds are falling. Bad weather also seems to trigger the disease. The amount of toxin within seeds is variable and it is not understood why some seeds have more toxin than others nor is it understood how many seeds have to be eaten for a horse to become sick. It is likely that some horses will be more susceptible than others and as older horses are less likely to become affected it may be that they develop some tolerance to the toxin. Individual grazing habits and the condition of the pasture are also likely to determine why some horses become sick and others don’t. Smaller disease outbreaks also occur in the spring and it is speculated that this is because horses eat Sycamore seedlings which may also contain the toxin; however this is unproven as it has not been determined whether the toxin is present within seedlings.
How can I confirm whether my horse has atypical myopathy?
Vets may suspect a diagnosis of atypical myopathy on the basis of their clinical examination and the horse’s recent grazing history. The presence of muscle damage can be confirmed by measuring levels of enzymes (such as creatine kinase or CK) in the blood that are released from damaged muscle cells. Very early sampling might not show the extent of the damage as it takes a number of hours for levels to peak. One of the most reliable signs is the presence of red or brown urine. There are very few diseases that will cause this to occur and if a horse has signs of atypical myopathy, and has been grazing near Sycamore trees, then the presence of red/brown urine is as good as proof that the horse has the disease. The dark colour is caused by the presence of muscle pigment (myoglobin) which is released from damaged muscle cells into the blood and is then removed by the kidneys.
What can be done to treat atypical myopathy?
IT IS A COMMON MISCONCEPTION THAT THE DISEASE ALWAYS RESULTS IN DEATH. HOWEVER, THE CHANCES OF SURVIVAL ARE 50:50 AT BEST SO IT IS VITALLY IMPORTANT THAT TREATMENT IS THOROUGH AND STARTS IMMEDIATELY. HORSES OFTEN GET WORSE FOR 24-48 HOURS BEFORE THEY START TO IMPROVE SO EVEN IF THE SIGNS ARE MILD TRANSPORT TO A HOSPITAL SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHILST IT IS POSSIBLE.
In order to protect the kidneys from damage large quantities of fluids have to be given and for this to be achieved effectively hospitalisation is required. Fluids are also important because horses with atypical myopathy tend to become very dehydrated. Effective fluid therapy requires 24/7 nursing care. Atypical myopathy cases often become exceedingly painful and within a hospital it is possible to give infusions of powerful painkillers and anaesthetic drugs which cannot reasonably be administered anywhere else.
Supplementary vitamins and minerals have been shown in one study to be helpful in the treatment of atypical myopathy. In particular, carnitine, vitamin B1 and vitamin B2 might support the function of muscle cells. Vitamins C and E might be useful as anti-oxidants.
Reported mortality rates of clinical cases have ranged from 40% to 100% and vary from year to year. Most affected horses that are alive 5 days after the start of clinical signs are likely to recover. Initially recovery is slow, but most affected horses that recover go on to make a complete recovery and return to work with no long-term effects of the disease.
How can I prevent atypical myopathy in my horses?
Currently, Sycamore seeds and to a lesser extent leaves, are the only known source of the toxin that causes the disease; however it remains possible that the toxin may be found elsewhere. To our knowledge, every UK case has been linked with the European Sycamore. There is often concern over other members of the Acer family. Although thorough investigations of all tree species have not been performed, it appears as though some other North American and Japanese Acers (or Maples) that are grown as garden trees and shrubs can produce the toxin; however Acer Campestre or the “Field Maple” which is common in hedgerows does not appear to produce the toxin.
Where you know there are European Sycamores (Acer Pseudoplanatus) close enough for seeds and leaves to drop on your grazing you should consider the following precautions:
- Checking fields carefully for Sycamore leaves and seeds (see images attached)
- Fencing off areas where Sycamore seeds and leaves have fallen
- Hoover-up/pick up sycamore seeds off the pasture
- Turning horses out horses for shorter periods
- Provide extra forage (hay or haylage) especially where pasture is poor or grazing is tight
- Reducing stocking density so there is plenty of good grazing for every horse
When a case is seen or suspected, then field mates should be removed from the pasture and blood tested to see whether they too have muscle damage and could be developing the disease. Provision of antioxidants, B vitamins and amino acid supplements may be worthwhile in these cases.Unfortunately outbreaks of disease are common.
If you would like further advice on reducing the risk of your horse contracting atypical myopathy, please contact your vet. Further information can also be obtained from this excellent website: Atypical Myopathy Alert Group: http://www.myopathieatypique.fr/en/la-maladie/. We would also urge you to report any cases of atypical myopathy via the website; with a greater understanding of where and when the disease is occurring we can hopefully work towards more effective prevention and treatment in the future.
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