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catherine1960
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 10:45:56 AM
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MY notes court based on the evidence of the vet who attended the farm at the request of HAPPA and the RSPCA
3 horses in one barn Cleveland bay x TB gelding that was William Mouse collapsed fetlocks and mud rash hair and skin flaking away Delilah in reasonable condition, she was rugged but rug was hanging from her body bedding was dry (ish) with soiled material and it was damp
grey arab stallion Harley was in good condition well shod Jules WB gelding had 3 rugs on him arab gelding George in a ark stable rugged, no bedding horses faeces..........no signs of any fresh bedding being available barn was untidy heavily littered old feed sacks etc*
there were cattle to the left of the horses
Millie Vanilli almost all of her body covered in faeces but seemed in good condition had dirty drinking water no clean bedding
Neville no food little water looked bright and responsive however covered in faeces in a horse fleece
Neville no food little water looked bright and responsive however covered in faeces in a horse fleece body condition
2 setters in a cage in the horsebox Red Setter had no food or water same for the Gordon Setter cardboard on the base of the cage, no blankets both showed signs of significant aggression
Border Collie in very poor condition chained up
In a field were Taragun and Eva both were rugged not brilliant body condition and very little useful grazing no sign of additional feed being given
2 Shetland in a field along with Breeze field was boggy but some grass of very poor quality and no additional signs of any hay being given
Nancy Molly Khoomi Midge and Shady along with the bodies of 2 dead horses in varying stages of decomposition scarce grazing there was a haylage bale in the field but it was rotting mouldy and inedible
Khoomi had overgrown feet and was poor condition but again was classed as bright and responsive Shady covered in mud had significant mud rash Nancy had overgrown feet and in poor condition but again classed as bright and responsive
2 dead horses in the field 1 was rugged and 1 unrugged
Further 4 dogs in the farmhouse in a room all appeared to be in good condition bodily they had some food but no water and the room was covered in faeces and stank of urine
area near the back toilet 6 Jack Russells in yard at the back of the house was a stone floored yard they were active and vocal and conditions not as bad as those in the house
3 further horses found Cresh Rita and Bumble
at Tosside large barn and field
2 horses in the field which was very boggy scarce grazing no haylage body condition was adequate standing in mud up to their fetlocks
in the barn was Pip poor body condition dark mouldy haylage and mouldy haylage in dirty drinking water but again he was classed as bright and responsive
Anna and Heron de la Forge poor body condition mouldy haylage no water barn was dark and according to the vets testimony 'smelt like a rendering plant'
In the corner was a dead horse later identified as Dolly
at the right hand side of the barn at the back were the bodies of 3 more horses in varying states of decomposition and 1 further dead horse
there was also evidence of 3 further horse shaped lumps int he barn at Tosside
Sorry its along post but that's the evidence I have from the vets testimony at court and I apologise if this has upset people, it upset me having to listen to it and watch that Godawful video. How she can even begin to try and justify the unjustifiable I have no idea
* When the owners of the farm appeared as they were not sure of what exactly was going on they were met at the top of the track leading tot he farm by a HAPPA Inspector who asked if they knew to whom the big haylage bales belonged to, on being told they belonged to Stephen Peel his reply was 'got the bugger' apparently Stephen had claimed he had no haylage of feed for the horses
Also inside the house was an information leaflet relating to brain disorders......one of these had been marked and written alongside it was 'This is what Stephen has and he has 2 years left to live' Stephen has been seen to be driving recently plus attending to various DIY jobs on the property where you now reside and on other property (2 fields) he still owns I believe from various trusted sources and that source is not the present occupier of Brookhouse Green either before you try and have a go at them. If he can still drive a car and be observed taking runs through the forest then there isn't much wrong with him and he is obviously not at 'deaths door' which you claimed in court.....so which is it has he made a miraculous recovery or being brave in the face of his imminent (as you would claim) demise
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 11:17:22 AM
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"Tara died of a brain tumour"
Thank you Sadika, now I need proof.
Rubbish, I don't for one minute believe that; where is the vet bill and statement saying this. If you have not kept the paperwork the vet will still have a record of the post mortem carried out on Tara. Where was the post mortem carried out? I am sure she died, as did many others, of neglect and I will continue to think that until I have seen proof otherwise. When exactly did she die? Can we see the paperwork for the post mortem?
We must not take at face value what they say, we need proof and dying of a brain tumour, a very rare occurrence in horses, is a great excuse for a missing horse.
If it turns out I am wrong I will give you an unreserved apology so can we please see the proof or speak to the vet who carried out the post mortem. |
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Edgevale
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 12:49:08 PM
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3. The case against Stephen Peel was stopped in 2014 by the Prosecution upon the confirmation of Stephen Peel's
ETA: "Is it true that your husband at the time of this 'family crisis' only had 2 years to live which is why his charges were dropped."
No this is not the reason the Prosecution dropped the charges against Stephen Peel. This is fact and can be verified.illness.
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8. Any surviving horses (a total of 12) were ordered by the the Prosecution conceded that evidence during the trial had been inconsistent District Judge to be returned to Rachelle and Evie Peel.
12. Dowlands I'm Hello Dolly WAS NOT, as poster Edgevale states, identified as one of the "rotting bodies." This was proven in Court due to the fact that at the request of the Defence, the body "identified as Dolly" was exhumed by a vet, examined, and proved scientifically not to be her. All references to this horse were removed. Dolly was not dead, has not been returned and still remains missing.
Was She stolen ??
ETA The Court case frequently mentioned relating to sheep and Stephen Peel in 2009 was not an animal welfare issue and there was never a suggestion it was. It was simply an animal byproduct issue (failure to dispose of carcasses). This is fact and can be verified.
Surely that amount of sheep don't die of 'natural causes' all at once??
Oakthwaite Shamtar (Shammy - mother to Neville and Midge) Templars Crie de Coeur (Midge) So are you saying Shammy is the mother Midge ??
Indian Silver King Do you mean Indian Silver Moon??
ETA: The only horse "dug up" after it had been "buried" was the controlled exhumation of Oakthwaite Shamtar to verify that she was not Dowlands I'm Hello Dolly. This is fact and can be verified. So what happened to Shammy???
Edgevale Miss Justice Did you mean Edgevale It's a Miss Justice ??
ETA: Your list spans a period of over twenty years. The problems with your list are: 1. It contains horses that do not and never have existed 2. It contains horses that were nothing to do with this case and nothing to do with me (some of these predate me being able to walk!) 3. It contains horses that I have already addressed (eg Dolly)
Yes you said it wasn't the horse they dug up but where is she, you don't mislay a big black horse (17.2 I believe)
and which horses don't exist, i'll make sure they are re moved from the forum and the ones that had nothing to do with this case
Horses Returned
Templars Orchestral Pearl (Harley) Templars Magic Pearl (Mouse) So are you saying you have Mouse back ??
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Edgevale
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 1:25:46 PM
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Rachelle would be you be willing to meet in private to discuss this?
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jackiedo
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 2:06:33 PM
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The photographs of the horses, and the short video taken and placed in the public domain showed horses not in the best of condition to be honest. I would be ashamed to let anyone see my horses in that condition. I am not a doctor and I would not challenge medical evidence regarding your father, and, to be honest, if he has managed to recover, or is in remission that is positive and I am sure that you must be relieved about that, but WHY on earth would you leave someone in that state in charge of such a large group of animals? If what you say is the truth then he clearly would be unable to cope. Why not cut down instead of getting more? |
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Sadika
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 2:47:17 PM
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I am not sure which of the horses listed are considered "never existed". One or two may have their "official" name muddled with their stable name ... and need clarification ... Shady was one I couldn't tie to an official name (Fiyah Dominion). But the following were mentioned on Arabian Lines ... and we still do not know what happened to them ... and they were mentioned on ALines either in comments or lists ... and I saw Scottie at a show ...
ZARIADNE 2005 ch filly (Zizi) (Star of the Seasons/Ziadah) bred by Sally Ann Roberts AHSB Vol 20 page 315. Purchased as a weanling. You've got my little girl's mum!! We have Zariadne - the sweet, gentle Zizi - apple of Stephen's eye xx ALines 23/4/08
Templars Moonsong ch 2008 (Boots) (Last Crescendo/MWA Majida Bint Mamoona) (?) not registered We also have a yearling filly with 3 crosses (to Irex): Templars Moonsong (Last Crescendo x Majidah Bint Mamoona) but I don't have a photo of her A Lines 21/6/09 A Lines posting 23/7/2008 Re our foals - we've had 3 pure breds this year:
Boots was born in January. She looks more like a baby Suffolk Punch than an Arab. She's Templars Moonsong (Last Crescendo [Imad x Carillion] x MWA Majidah Bint Mamoona [Gold Cristal x Mamoona]. She's a thumping great filly and definitely one for the performance world rather than the show ring!!! She's 100% Old English 99% Crabbet
Malcolm was born in March. If you remember his mum rejected him and he's been hand reared. He's Egyptian x Spanish and I still can't believe he's here. He is so unlike anything we've ever bred. Definitely show material (but then performance later...). He's by MWA Madkour out of Amira Obeyd. He's the most unusual colour - to say brown is wrong, he's like dark chocolate. He and Boots are best friends and share a stable and cuddle up to one another to sleep. Malazaar 2008 Arab colt (Malcolm) (MWA Madkour/MWA Amira Obeyd) And our little yearling colt, Malazaar (Madkour x Amira Obeyd) carries 2 crosses (to Irex) - sadly Malcolm's dam rejected him and he has been hand reared. A Lines 21/6/09 And last but not least, little Shrimp (sorry - that's what the vet called her and it's stuck). 100% Crabbet.Templars Pearl Hanifeyah
Star Ascendant (Scotty) (Star of the Seasons/Zaphelia) 14.3 chestnut Arab stallion bred by Gillian Lancaster. Mentioned in lists on ALines but not seen since 2006 N/W Show.
So if you can't recall them Evie please ask your mother ... oh and Alileo as well - Arab colt, never registered ...
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Sadika
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 2:55:28 PM
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One more ... Templars Vindaloo Anglo 2011 bay male (Calcutta/Templars Cultured Pearl) A Lines: 22/6/2011 Can't stop grinning!! At long last, we've bred our first Anglo and he's everything I wanted – an athletic colt Conceived during the World Cup and with his sire called Calcutta, there was only one name we could choose - Templars Vindaloo!!! He is out of Harley's sister (Templars Cultured Pearl, Silvern Sceptre x Templars Magic Pearl) and by the wonderful TB stallion, Calcutta. He is so like Harley in temperament and attitude. He stood up the moment he was born and trotted -- yes trotted - the the back of the stable, turned and cantered back! No wobbliness, no Bambi-like legs, just straight, tail in the air, back to mum and back barrelled her! Then he whickered, turned round and licked her. Just like uncle Harley - active and vocal!
Molly is surprising us all - she is first time mother and we were a bit worried because she can be slightly hightly strung but she's so chilled with this little man and you'd think she was part Jersey cow given the amount of milk she's producing.
So, here he is - Templars Vindaloo - think we're going to be kept busy by this young man!!! He's 20 minutes old in these photos!
He sounds special so surely you remember him???
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Sadika
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 3:28:46 PM
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Re Shush ... and Arrieta (Rita) ... official names/details please
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Sadika
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 3:42:09 PM
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Templars Crie de Coeur (Borderfame Prince Charming(Cleveland Bay)/Je T’Adore) ½ Arab mare 15.3 steel grey
not mentioned in your list .. |
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gem@oakmeister
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 5:22:47 PM
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Could you tell me why Dirty Harry was not removed. I had assumed he had been, and then returned to you. |
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bridie
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 5:34:50 PM
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So then.... You have 14 horses now, correct me (I'm sure you will) you have a small toddler, mother is unemployed and step father (can't even bring myself to say their names) is terminally ill ? How on gods earth are you going to manage this through winter from your caravan? Or will history repeat itself....... ETA why are you still lying......you are and in time this will be verified |
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sab2
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 6:09:58 PM
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What I cannot understand is that if the rspca came onto my land and took my horses and I was totally innocent of abuse and neglect of my horses as you seem to be claiming I would of shouted from the rooftops and plastered it all over here and FB telling people what they had done. I would of fought them tooth and nail to get my horses back home, why didn't,t you do that if you are so innocent in all of this and have nothing to hide. I am sorry but there's a saying ....there's no smoke without fire ... and in your case there seems to be an awful lot of smoke. Edited to say a round of applause to the Trakehner Breed Society giving the abuse when you contacted them , also horses just do not go missing and if one of mine had I would be plastering it everywhere trying to find it, just saying . |
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Ari
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 7:23:50 PM
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Very good point made by Sab2, if by some "mistake" any of my animals were taken into care I would have fought to my last penny to get them back as would my family and friends that have known me years. I certainly wouldn't have been short of equine, canine expert witnesses to prove my case. Huge amount of smoke = fire, regrettably doused down by technicality and flawed case presented by RSPCA. |
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debs
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viola
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 8:52:13 PM
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ETA: Sadika - you have quoted the Prosecution opening statement. These "facts" were disproved during the course of the trial - hence the NOT GUILTY verdicts. There were two, and only two, recently deceased horses in the field which I have already identified. This is fact and can be verified.
'recently deceased' is the phrase that catches the eye... what about those that died at an ealier date and couldn,t be identified?
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giggsy
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 9:31:22 PM
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Star ascendent travelled to clothes from Exeter with taragun in early 2006. Last seen at myerscough 30th April 2006. Presumably he was not abducted by aliens so simple question what happened to him????? |
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Pop
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 9:52:23 PM
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Erm, OK, let me see if I have this right. It’s not your fault because you didn’t know. So, if someone failed to visit their horses, for a period of, let’s say one month. Then, someone comes along and says Hey, your horses are suffering, underfed, long hooves, rain scald etc. etc. And you say, Well not my fault I wasn’t there to see them. That's the defence? I didn’t bother to check my horses so I didn’t see they were suffering. Someone F*****g pinch me !!!!!!!!!
I'm not an expert but I think to have those many dead bodies around you would really some sort of license.
Grow up, accept your responsibilities, they were your responsibility, YOURS. If you want to ‘put this behind you’ then face up to this, show some remorse, do your best to comfort those you have hurt. And if you can ever EVER forgive yourself, then do so, but you cannot expect others to do that, how could you ever expect to be forgiven? It is just not acceptable to say, didn’t know, not my fault.
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 10:42:50 PM
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Pop, the sad truth is that they really don't care about the horses that perished; by then they had moved on to "new" horses and the others were now "surplus to requirements" and, presumably, the sooner they died the better.
The whole thing is totally shocking and despicable and we will never get anything but cover up and lies.
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debs
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Zan
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Posted - 03 Sep 2016 : 6:45:38 PM
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I haven't been on here for years but have been following the case elsewhere-- saw a link to this outrageous post on Facebook and had to add my fury to everyone elses. For the record though, I would like to point out that I was always deeply suspicious of this family,but was jumped on like a ton of bricks when I voiced it on the forum-- please everyone,try to read between the lines when people are going on about how wonderful they are! You know what adds insult to injury reading this catalogue of delusional lies? The fact that she has logged on as Taragun. Okay, it was her user name, but even writing that name to log on should have shamed her into writing nothing. "The beautiful and talented Taragun"-- remember that?? That little mare gave her all for Evie. How did the Peels repay her? Neglect-- tossed aside like an old toy. I hope they are never ever forgiven for this, and Evie's hopes of any sort of career in horses are dust. |
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Sadika
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Posted - 03 Sep 2016 : 8:24:51 PM
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The Lost Ones has been read 16363 so far ... and all the other Peel related threads have also got thousands of "reads" ... so there are a lot of people who know about them ... ! |
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debs
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Posted - 03 Sep 2016 : 8:44:32 PM
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Trouble is its just us! I log in every day at least once to check if there's more news. :( Did it get much response in the h&h forum? There not much on FB, I shares in a few groups.... |
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Edgevale
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Posted - 03 Sep 2016 : 9:14:06 PM
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what ever is out there I wish there was more :-(
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Annette
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Posted - 03 Sep 2016 : 9:49:26 PM
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Rachelle Peel, the horses destroyed needlessly by the rspca were signed over to them by you. If you are as innocent as you claim, why did you sign them over? If you had not done so, they could not have destroyed them but once they had ownership they did what they do to many animals they "own". It seems to me you signed over horses and ponies that no longer had any use to you - including dear Taragun. And why on earth did you allow those horses to be transported over 70 miles on what appears to have been a cattle wagon? Again, proof that these horses meant nothing to you or your family. Why could you not bring yourself to come on this forum and ask for help. There were any number of people who would have been there to help the horses but I guess you have far too much pride to ask for help after everything you used to write as Templars. You had most of us fooled but like our horses we have long, long memories and the Arab world will never ever forget those souls unlucky enough to have come into your ownership. |
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Sahir
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Posted - 04 Sep 2016 : 12:30:13 AM
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In my honest opinion Evie Peel - you are a vile piece of humanity - as are your parents. |
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